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lordtup
post Aug 29 2009, 04:21 PM
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It may or may not have any relevance to the law abiding citizens who patronise this forum , but the recent ruling regarding illegal downloading on the Internet has a hidden agenda .

Personally I wouldn't have a clue how to download a film or music disc , but I do know that the technology exists to prevent it happening without the control that the IP'S have suggested .

This leads me to the conclusion that the government wish to control what we use the Internet for and what we actually do with it in both sound and vision .

Forgive me for sounding paranoid , but I can foresee tears at bed time over this one .


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post Aug 29 2009, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (lordtup @ Aug 29 2009, 05:21 PM) *
This leads me to the conclusion that the government wish to control what we use the Internet for and what we actually do with it in both sound and vision .

Forgive me for sounding paranoid , but I can foresee tears at bed time over this one .



Isn't it more to do with the big boys - the music and film companies and what have you - howling long and loud that they are being ripped off, rather than any sinister government motive?

Again, no affect on me as I haven't a clue how to download diddleysquat either
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post Aug 29 2009, 05:41 PM
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The internet is like anything which has easy public use & no regulation.

whilst the many use it legally & positively there are always a few who prefer to see what they can get out of it & what they can make.

selectively stopping the few bad apples is to difficult & costly, which results in draconian measure effecting us all.

Having said that, Governments are not interested in a few pirated movies & mp3's. keeping tabs on the population is their aim. And very good at they are too. Keeping an ear to telecommunication has been going on since the 1950's. Very easy when you remember that until the 1980's BT was a Government Agency.
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post Aug 29 2009, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 29 2009, 06:41 PM) *
The internet is like anything which has easy public use & no regulation.


But isn't that just it? There is nothing like it which has easy public use and no regulation, or have I missed something?
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post Aug 29 2009, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (lordtup @ Aug 29 2009, 05:21 PM) *
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It may or may not have any relevance to the law abiding citizens who patronise this forum , but the recent ruling regarding illegal downloading on the Internet has a hidden agenda .

Personally I wouldn't have a clue how to download a film or music disc , but I do know that the technology exists to prevent it happening without the control that the IP'S have suggested .

This leads me to the conclusion that the government wish to control what we use the Internet for and what we actually do with it in both sound and vision .

Forgive me for sounding paranoid , but I can foresee tears at bed time over this one .



I know that the Internet companies have said it is another step towards Big Brother.... and there is that fear that governments are trying to control information.
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post Aug 29 2009, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Aug 29 2009, 06:49 PM) *
But isn't that just it? There is nothing like it which has easy public use and no regulation, or have I missed something?

exactly - public misuse of other things which once had easy use & free access have had that access limited & regulated.
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post Aug 29 2009, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 29 2009, 07:29 PM) *
exactly - public misuse of other things which once had easy use & free access have had that access limited & regulated.


Yeah - such as, assuming you only rate the internet as 'other things'? Get real
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post Aug 29 2009, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 29 2009, 06:41 PM) *
selectively stopping the few bad apples is to difficult & costly, which results in draconian measure effecting us all.


There is estimated to be around six million file-sharers in the UK, that's a hell of a lot of apples!!! smile.gif


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post Aug 29 2009, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (lordtup @ Aug 29 2009, 05:21 PM) *
Forgive me for sounding paranoid , but I can foresee tears at bed time over this one .



There already are. There are currently several thousand people, including pensioners being accused of illegally downloading games and even hardcore gay pronography. The evidence? An IP address captured by a company in Switzerland. They are being sent letters demanding £600+ in 'damages' or face a court appearnce where the amount could "reach many thousands".

http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=44092
warning: very long thread.
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post Aug 30 2009, 06:16 AM
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QUOTE (Darren @ Aug 29 2009, 10:07 PM) *
There already are. There are currently several thousand people, including pensioners being accused of illegally downloading games and even hardcore gay pronography. The evidence? An IP address captured by a company in Switzerland. They are being sent letters demanding £600+ in 'damages' or face a court appearnce where the amount could "reach many thousands".

http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=44092
warning: very long thread.


To say nothing of those, and we all probably know of somebody, sacked for having dodgy stuff on their computer. Real tears in some cases. Not so many years ago, I was chatting with the area organiser for our union about how things have changed over the years and he told me that he now spent a considerable time defending members on discipline cases regarding emails etc.
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post Aug 30 2009, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE (lordtup @ Aug 29 2009, 05:21 PM) *
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It may or may not have any relevance to the law abiding citizens who patronise this forum , but the recent ruling regarding illegal downloading on the Internet has a hidden agenda .

Personally I wouldn't have a clue how to download a film or music disc , but I do know that the technology exists to prevent it happening without the control that the IP'S have suggested .

This leads me to the conclusion that the government wish to control what we use the Internet for and what we actually do with it in both sound and vision .

Forgive me for sounding paranoid , but I can foresee tears at bed time over this one .
I don't think there's any hidden agenda here, it's the same as this



except it's now much easier to catch people doing it.
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post Aug 30 2009, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Aug 29 2009, 08:58 PM) *
Yeah - such as, assuming you only rate the internet as 'other things'? Get real


having trouble understanding today?

Speed limits were only introduced on the motorways because folk began taking the piss.
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post Aug 30 2009, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andy @ Aug 29 2009, 09:31 PM) *
There is estimated to be around six million file-sharers in the UK, that's a hell of a lot of apples!!! smile.gif

tut tut you assume all are doing illegal things?
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post Aug 30 2009, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 30 2009, 06:27 PM) *
having trouble understanding today?

Speed limits were only introduced on the motorways because folk began taking the piss.


Have trouble understanding how on earth you can post some of your responses, that's all laugh.gif
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post Aug 30 2009, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Aug 30 2009, 07:24 PM) *
Have trouble understanding how on earth you can post some of your responses, that's all laugh.gif

easy - log in & type.
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post Aug 30 2009, 07:04 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 29 2009, 06:41 PM) *
And very good at they are too. Keeping an ear to telecommunication has been going on since the 1950's. Very easy when you remember that until the 1980's BT was a Government Agency.



Presume you were around at the time, Dannyboy? If so, you will recall that they were originally part of the Post Office so, if we go along with your theory, the Royal Mail, still state owned (a much better term than 'government agency', don't you think - unless you want to be a be a bit of drama queen?) is passively colluding with HMG in tampering with our mail? As I say, get real - I'll just carry on enjoying life in the meanwhile tongue.gif
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post Aug 30 2009, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Aug 30 2009, 06:27 PM) *
having trouble understanding today?

Speed limits were only introduced on the motorways because folk began taking the piss.
This is true. Car manufacturers used to test new models on the M1 because there were no speed limits on it.
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post Aug 30 2009, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 30 2009, 08:45 PM) *
This is true. Car manufacturers used to test new models on the M1 because there were no speed limits on it.


Yes, but remember a lot of 1950s production cars would be struggling to get above 70 mph, something not 'factored in' at the planning stage for the motorways of those times. By the end of the decade, things were changing.There were always certain rules on the use of them though, e.g. no handcarts, cyclists, pedestrians, stopping at the side of the road, so not altogether 'other things which once had easy use & free access' . Also, remember one of the selling points of motorways was that they didn't need any lighting? Those were the days, even so

BTW - why don't they have speedlimits on autobahns yet - is it perhaps that they're all as good drivers as Dannyboy is (or claims to be?) tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Aug 30 2009, 08:22 PM
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I used to berate a friend of mine all the time for illegally downloading stuff, then Robbie Williams got an £80million contract from Sony and I wondered why artists like him should get so much based on what he might release. Incidentally he hasn't really done a lot musically since then.
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post Aug 31 2009, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Aug 30 2009, 08:04 PM) *
Presume you were around at the time, Dannyboy? If so, you will recall that they were originally part of the Post Office so, if we go along with your theory, the Royal Mail, still state owned (a much better term than 'government agency', don't you think - unless you want to be a be a bit of drama queen?) is passively colluding with HMG in tampering with our mail? As I say, get real - I'll just carry on enjoying life in the meanwhile tongue.gif



Just shows what little you know. Nice to see that you can't help yourself & try & score a few cheap points.
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