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Irish John
post Jul 15 2010, 09:00 AM
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Those with far too much time on their Facebook twittering hands appear to be promoting a mentally unstable deadman to cult hero status. Facebook are refusing to delete said deadman's account. However despite Facebook's shameless self promotion (of which they need little anyway) why would a country get behind another pathetic gunmen in a long line of pathetic english gunmen? Would the same people be praising the Hungerford massacre had it happened now? Discuss...
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Good Boy Racer
post Jul 15 2010, 11:31 AM
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If you want my honest opinion to all this, i do feel sorry for him.

Now i don't think anyone is accepting him as a hero for killing a copper and his girlfriend, i'm not. Their accepting him as a 'Legend' because he managed to get away from the Police for a week in just one area! They are also feeling slightly sorry for him, because they know he could of got help, he could be in prison right now doing time for what he did, allowing the victims family to have closure because they know he is suffering in prison.

What amazes me from the Police is this... They did not even tell the family that he was coming out of Prison!!! The police knew he was a threat when he came out, it only took him 2 or 3 days to get a shotgun and do what he did!

He asked for psychiatric help months before it happened because he wanted to know if he had a problem and they declined!

Just another thing, when you get shot by a taser gun, the idea of it is to paralise you completely so no muscle in your body can be used. Did the taser gun really clutch his fingers which made him pull the trigger? Very much doubt that! Just remember we're talking about the Police and the Media here... Police work together and can hide information, not forgetting the media. They don't tell you everything you know.


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post Jul 15 2010, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE (Good Boy Racer @ Jul 15 2010, 12:31 PM) *
Just another thing, when you get shot by a taser gun, the idea of it is to paralise you completely so no muscle in your body can be used. Did the taser gun really clutch his fingers which made him pull the trigger? Very much doubt that! Just remember we're talking about the Police and the Media here... Police work together and can hide information, not forgetting the media. They don't tell you everything you know.


Police and media seem to be in agreement that a) he was tasered and cool.gif he shot himself. If the taser didn't cause him to spasm and shoot himself, you are saying the police shot him while he was incapable?
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post Jul 15 2010, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jul 15 2010, 06:29 PM) *
Police and media seem to be in agreement that a) he was tasered and cool.gif he shot himself. If the taser didn't cause him to spasm and shoot himself, you are saying the police shot him while he was incapable?



Theory = you assume he was incapable because he shot himself? A person who has been shot is not always incapable. If he was tasered after shooting himself maybe it was to incapacitate him in order to move in and treat him.
After all if any of you paid attention to the media reports you are expertly commenting on you will note he did NOT die at the scene, he died in hospital. He was taken to hospital by an ambulance. They would have had to have been sure he was not in a position to harm them.

We can all speculate but none of us really know the answers. What I do know is one man is dead and two others seriously injured as a result of his actions. He is not a Hero.
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post Jul 15 2010, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (ossy1 @ Jul 15 2010, 07:03 PM) *
After all if any of you paid attention to the media reports you are expertly commenting on you will note he did NOT die at the scene, he died in hospital. He was taken to hospital by an ambulance. They would have had to have been sure he was not in a position to harm them.

He was pronounced dead at the hospital, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't dead at the scene. It is all speculation at the moment. Although I know it would not have made a pretty scene, it seems odd they carried Moat with a blanket over his head if he were alive.
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- Irish John   Why do Armchair Anarchists think Raoul Moat is now a cult hero?   Jul 15 2010, 09:00 AM
- - Jayjay   These are not my views, just why I think, without ...   Jul 15 2010, 09:35 AM
- - Iommi   Hear, hear, Jayjay, I also feel this is not black ...   Jul 15 2010, 10:04 AM
|- - TallDarkAndHandsome   QUOTE (Iommi @ Jul 15 2010, 11:04 AM) Hea...   Jul 15 2010, 10:56 AM
- - Iommi   Notwithstanding 24/7 Sky/BBC coverage.   Jul 15 2010, 11:01 AM
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|- - Jayjay   QUOTE (ossy1 @ Jul 15 2010, 07:03 PM) The...   Jul 15 2010, 10:30 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jul 15 2010, 11:30 PM) So...   Jul 15 2010, 10:38 PM
|- - Jayjay   QUOTE (Iommi @ Jul 15 2010, 11:38 PM) Has...   Jul 16 2010, 08:02 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jul 16 2010, 09:02 PM) Th...   Jul 16 2010, 08:27 PM
- - ossy1   good boy racer perhaps you should actually take no...   Jul 15 2010, 12:56 PM
- - tim   By shooting himself he has saved tax-payers a fort...   Jul 15 2010, 12:58 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (tim @ Jul 15 2010, 01:58 PM) By sh...   Jul 15 2010, 01:53 PM
- - Rosewinelover   They made him into Billy the Kid. You reap what yo...   Jul 15 2010, 01:10 PM
- - Good Boy Racer   QUOTE (ossy1 @ Jul 15 2010, 01:56 PM) goo...   Jul 15 2010, 01:37 PM
|- - ossy1   QUOTE (Good Boy Racer @ Jul 15 2010, 02:3...   Jul 15 2010, 01:59 PM
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- - Chris_At_The_Retreat   Wasn't Moat related to Keith Chegwin?   Jul 15 2010, 03:47 PM
|- - Chelsea Greg   QUOTE (Chris_At_The_Retreat @ Jul 15 2010, 04...   Jul 15 2010, 07:38 PM
- - regor   Re ossy 1 - various posts Sir, your posts are a m...   Jul 15 2010, 07:55 PM
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