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Posted by: Torchy Nov 13 2009, 01:53 PM

Forget the proposed Shed in the Park - this is real engineering (although not quite up to Swindon Works standards):

BR(S) Merchant Navy Class 4-6-2 no 35028 Clan Line is scheduled to take on water at Newbury Racecourse Station at 10.45am Saturday 21st November. It leaves for Bristol at 11.13am.

http://www.clan-line.org.uk/index.htm

Don't forget to stand on the bridge as it leaves for the full heady aroma of hot oil, steam and smoke!

Posted by: Blake Nov 13 2009, 03:23 PM

I wonder what sort of CO2 footprint those old trains have and if the owners offset it?

Posted by: Hugh Saskin Nov 13 2009, 03:42 PM

QUOTE (Torchy @ Nov 13 2009, 01:53 PM) *
Forget the proposed Shed in the Park - this is real engineering (although not quite up to Swindon Works standards):

BR(S) Merchant Navy Class 4-6-2 no 35028 Clan Line is scheduled to take on water at Newbury Racecourse Station at 10.45am Saturday 21st November. It leaves for Bristol at 11.13am.

http://www.clan-line.org.uk/index.htm

Don't forget to stand on the bridge as it leaves for the full heady aroma of hot oil, steam and smoke!


Thanks very much for the tip - Eastleigh's finest?

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 13 2009, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (Blake @ Nov 13 2009, 03:23 PM) *
I wonder what sort of CO2 footprint those old trains have and if the owners offset it?



mellow.gif

Posted by: HJD Nov 13 2009, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (Blake @ Nov 13 2009, 03:23 PM) *
I wonder what sort of CO2 footprint those old trains have and if the owners offset it?


rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Hugh Saskin Nov 13 2009, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (Blake @ Nov 13 2009, 03:23 PM) *
I wonder what sort of CO2 footprint those old trains have and if the owners offset it?


Don't know, don't care.....

Posted by: Blake Nov 13 2009, 04:42 PM

You mean you do not care about the destruction of the planet... too many selfish people thinking like this and its not going to stop climate change.

Posted by: Iommi Nov 13 2009, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (Blake @ Nov 13 2009, 04:42 PM) *
You mean you do not care about the destruction of the planet... too many selfish people thinking like this and its not going to stop climate change.

Nor will stopping all the steam trains from running either. Their carbon foot print (CFP) will be minuscule in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: Torchy Nov 13 2009, 05:22 PM

QUOTE (Blake @ Nov 13 2009, 03:23 PM) *
I wonder what sort of CO2 footprint those old trains have and if the owners offset it?


Probably a lot greener than a fleet of Toyota Pious*, and I'll bet they won't last 61 years like this Steam Engine.

What is the plural of pious?

Posted by: Blake Nov 13 2009, 05:22 PM

Every little helps...in destroying the planet.

Posted by: Iommi Nov 13 2009, 05:26 PM

QUOTE (Blake @ Nov 13 2009, 05:22 PM) *
Every little helps...in destroying the planet.

You could always do your bit and switch your computer off. tongue.gif

Posted by: Strafin Nov 13 2009, 05:28 PM

Believing in climate change is like believing in Santa. And even if it was real then the beauty of a steam train would be well worth it.

Posted by: user23 Nov 13 2009, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Nov 13 2009, 05:28 PM) *
Believing in climate change is like believing in Santa. And even if it was real then the beauty of a steam train would be well worth it.
Global Warming must be real, there are ads on the TV telling us so.

It's not like we see ads on the TV with Santa in, is it? dry.gif

Posted by: Iommi Nov 13 2009, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 13 2009, 06:02 PM) *
Global Warming must be real, there are ads on the TV telling us so. It's not like we see ads on the TV with Santa in, is it? dry.gif

laugh.gif Yes, Christmas doesn't start until the Coke-a-Cola Santa advert! tongue.gif

Posted by: lordtup Nov 13 2009, 08:22 PM

It is amazing that a simple event like a steam engine gracing our local station should arouse passions beyond those of pure aesthetics .

If the running of a single engine cuts short the life expectancy of the planet by ten minutes then so be it .

I suspect the proliferation of Asian power stations may be a little more culpable .

sad.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 14 2009, 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Blake @ Nov 13 2009, 03:23 PM) *
I wonder what sort of CO2 footprint those old trains have and if the owners offset it?



What a ridiculous thing to say!

You could say that about anything that produces CO2 for pleasure then?

Such as fleets of coaches taking fans to football matches or Formula 1 racing.

Do we stop all the pleasures that we have that produce CO2 for the sake of slowing down global warming? (If it does)
I wonder how much CO2 a diesel Inter City train produces at 125mph with a 2000hp engine at each end?

I will be there to see Clan Line in all her glory and long may she continue to run along with the other great steam locos of the past.

(By the way, on the booking forms of a great many of the steam hauled specials there is a voluntary "Carbon Offset" contribution that clients can make when booking.)

Posted by: Exhausted Nov 14 2009, 06:36 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 14 2009, 11:13 AM) *
I will be there to see Clan Line in all her glory and long may she continue to run along with the other great steam locos of the past.

(By the way, on the booking forms of a great many of the steam hauled specials there is a voluntary "Carbon Offset" contribution that clients can make when booking.)


Did I miss it or was it cancelled because the engine owner realised that Blake was right.

Posted by: Hugh Saskin Nov 14 2009, 06:53 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Nov 14 2009, 06:36 PM) *
Did I miss it or was it cancelled because the engine owner realised that Blake was right.


No - you were a week early....

Posted by: lordtup Nov 14 2009, 09:21 PM

Has anyone ever analysed why grown men ( and some women too ) go all sentimental over these leviathans of the track .

I remember as a child standing on the station and getting completely enveloped in smoke from the train "now standing" and being quite frightened , but I love to see them as much as the next man .

It is something more than an appreciation of engineering or even the vast power generated , it is as if our very soul is somehow encapsulated within the boiler . wink.gif



Posted by: Biker1 Nov 16 2009, 08:12 PM

QUOTE (lordtup @ Nov 14 2009, 09:21 PM) *
Has anyone ever analysed why grown men ( and some women too ) go all sentimental over these leviathans of the track .

I remember as a child standing on the station and getting completely enveloped in smoke from the train "now standing" and being quite frightened , but I love to see them as much as the next man .

It is something more than an appreciation of engineering or even the vast power generated , it is as if our very soul is somehow encapsulated within the boiler . wink.gif



Have a look at this and it may explain why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u9bwD79LNg

Posted by: Iommi Nov 16 2009, 08:18 PM

A steam train seems to be alive; an iron horse!

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 21 2009, 02:39 PM

Wasn't she magnificent?

A sight for sore eyes!

Posted by: Bill1 Nov 21 2009, 02:58 PM

Saw it from Boundary Road bridge. Tremendous.

Posted by: Biker1 Jan 31 2010, 09:37 PM

Saturday 13 February 2010

SR Battle of Britain Class 4-6-2 No. 34067 "Tangmere"

Scheduled at Newbury 11:18 to 11:50 to take water.

Also calling at Newbury on the return scheduled at 18:17

Posted by: Biker1 Jan 31 2010, 09:38 PM

Sunday 14 February 2010

LNER A1 Class 4-6-2 No. 60163 "Tornado"

Scheduled at Newbury 11:36 to 11:50 to take water.

Posted by: Good Boy Racer Feb 1 2010, 10:51 AM

I don't believe in Global Warming... No such thing. Though i do believe in Natural events caused by Natural Events.

...Natural Events!

Posted by: Iommi Feb 1 2010, 11:03 AM

QUOTE (Good Boy Racer @ Feb 1 2010, 10:51 AM) *
I don't believe in Global Warming... No such thing. Though i do believe in Natural events caused by Natural Events.

...Natural Events!

blink.gif

Posted by: Bill1 Feb 1 2010, 11:32 AM

QUOTE (Good Boy Racer @ Feb 1 2010, 10:51 AM) *
I don't believe in Global Warming... No such thing. Though i do believe in Natural events caused by Natural Events.

...Natural Events!



QUOTE (Iommi @ Feb 1 2010, 11:03 AM) *
blink.gif


Sorry GBR? huh.gif

Posted by: JeffG Feb 1 2010, 11:45 AM

QUOTE (Bill1 @ Feb 1 2010, 11:32 AM) *
Sorry GBR? huh.gif

Methinks the lad hath flipped smile.gif

Posted by: Andrea Feb 1 2010, 12:40 PM

QUOTE (Good Boy Racer @ Feb 1 2010, 10:51 AM) *
I don't believe in Global Warming... No such thing. Though i do believe in Natural events caused by Natural Events.

...Natural Events!


I understand that! laugh.gif

Posted by: user23 Feb 1 2010, 01:00 PM

QUOTE (Andrea @ Feb 1 2010, 12:40 PM) *
I understand that! laugh.gif
Perhaps he's Canadian too? wink.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 2 2010, 09:46 AM

I was only posting the times of steam hauled trains at Newbury.

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!! wink.gif

Posted by: Good Boy Racer Feb 2 2010, 09:53 AM

QUOTE (Andrea @ Feb 1 2010, 12:40 PM) *
I understand that! laugh.gif


I'm so glad someone understands my language. No i'm not canadian, just a normal British Lad. Brought up in a loving safe community... Newbury. Sorry did i just say safe?

Anyways, Global Warming is a man made thing, a way to make money. So i will stand by what i say and say it again... Natural Events!

Posted by: Iommi Feb 2 2010, 10:12 AM

QUOTE (Good Boy Racer @ Feb 2 2010, 09:53 AM) *
Anyways, Global Warming is a man made thing, a way to make money. So i will stand by what i say and say it again... Natural Events!

I'd give, what ever your taking, up, if I were you! wink.gif What has this got to do a steam train time table?

Posted by: Good Boy Racer Feb 2 2010, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Iommi @ Feb 2 2010, 10:12 AM) *
I'd give, what ever your taking, up, if I were you! wink.gif What has this got to do a steam train time table?


Global Warming, Natural Events wink.gif

Posted by: Iommi Feb 2 2010, 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Good Boy Racer @ Feb 2 2010, 10:57 AM) *
Global Warming, Natural Events wink.gif

Er...yes, but what has this got to do with trains? blink.gif

Posted by: Bill1 Feb 2 2010, 12:23 PM

laugh.gif

Posted by: JeffG Feb 2 2010, 02:07 PM

What's funny, Bill? What does this have to do with trains?

Posted by: Bill1 Feb 2 2010, 02:35 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Feb 2 2010, 02:07 PM) *
What's funny, Bill? What does this have to do with trains?


Sorry for any misunderstanding Jeff, but what I find funny is GBR's inability to get his point accross.

Hence mine and a few others amusement/bemusement.

I couldn't agree with you more about GBRs comments having nothing to do with this thread, unless his comments are so worldly wise that they have gone completely over my (and others) head.

Hope that clears this up.

Posted by: JeffG Feb 2 2010, 03:36 PM

QUOTE (Bill1 @ Feb 2 2010, 02:35 PM) *
Hope that clears this up.

My turn: laugh.gif

And I think Canada came into it somewhere ?!?

Posted by: Iommi Feb 2 2010, 06:18 PM

I'm also wondering where GBR might have got his PhD in climatology, but I digress.

Posted by: Torchy Feb 4 2010, 10:07 PM

Fancy a little more nostalgia? Here is a superb colour film with a great 60s soundtrack.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb7vys_londons-termini-in-the-swinging-60s

Lots of steam & smoke, Deltics and a Pullman leaving Paddington. And I quite forgot how we used to open the carriage doors 200 yards before the train came to a halt. A railway system owned by the nation and run by real railwaymen. Happy days!

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 7 2010, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 31 2010, 09:37 PM) *
Saturday 13 February 2010

SR Battle of Britain Class 4-6-2 No. 34067 "Tangmere"

Scheduled at Newbury 11:18 to 11:50 to take water.

Also calling at Newbury on the return scheduled at 18:17



Change of locomotive on this one - is now :-

LNER A4 Class 4-6-2 no 60019 Bittern

Posted by: Hugh Saskin Feb 7 2010, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 7 2010, 10:08 AM) *
Change of locomotive on this one - is now :-

LNER A4 Class 4-6-2 no 60019 Bittern


Thanks - presumbly water will be taken at Newbury Racecourse station?

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 7 2010, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Feb 7 2010, 04:16 PM) *
Thanks - presumbly water will be taken at Newbury Racecourse station?


No - scheduled for Newbury Town station.

Posted by: Wildone Feb 10 2010, 09:25 PM

Hi can anyone confirm if either of these trains will be stopping at the racecourse? The last steam train that came through Newbury stopped at the racecourse for water, it was a really good atmosphere and my son loved it. I just want to make sure that we don't miss it. Cheers

Posted by: Torchy Feb 11 2010, 10:29 AM

Both trains are stopping at Newbury Station instead of the Racecourse Station for water.

More information (including timings at our other local stations) can be found http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t10/t0213a.htm and http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t10/t0214a.htm

Posted by: Wildone Feb 11 2010, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (Torchy @ Feb 11 2010, 10:29 AM) *
Both trains are stopping at Newbury Station instead of the Racecourse Station for water.

More information (including timings at our other local stations) can be found http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t10/t0213a.htm and http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t10/t0214a.htm


Brilliant! This is really useful, thank you.

Posted by: JeffG Feb 11 2010, 02:43 PM

Puttin on my trainspotter's hat, those timetables look a bit dodgy with some times that don't make sense. For example the return on Saturday has

CODE
Bedwyn 18.02
Newbury 18.58
Newbury a. 18.17 d. 18:19
Theale a. 18.41


The Sunday one has
CODE
Reading d. 11.09
Theale 18.58
Newbury a. 11.36


Odd that 18.58 appears twice and is wrong. How much can we trust the rest of it?

Posted by: Strafin Feb 11 2010, 03:28 PM

Just curious, how do you know it's wrong?

Posted by: JeffG Feb 11 2010, 05:15 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 11 2010, 03:28 PM) *
Just curious, how do you know it's wrong?

Errm... Like times going into the future then back into the past?

Posted by: Strafin Feb 11 2010, 05:54 PM

I'm not that into trainspotting, *cough* losers *cough*, I read that there were two trains so assumed different times. Plus may have missed something on your partially copy/pasted timetable.

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 11 2010, 06:04 PM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 11 2010, 05:54 PM) *
I'm not that into trainspotting, *cough* losers *cough*, I read that there were two trains so assumed different times. Plus may have missed something on your partially copy/pasted timetable.



Nothing to do with trainspotting old chap.
If steam locomotives were that bad then there wouldn't be so many around together with many tourist steam railways.

The 18:58 time in the schedules is a misprint - the other times are correct.


Posted by: JeffG Feb 11 2010, 07:09 PM

If it was FGW, I could understand the 8 hours to get from Reading to Theale, but achieving warp speed from Theale to Newbury in -7.5 hours might have been a bit tricky. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 12 2010, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Feb 11 2010, 07:09 PM) *
If it was FGW, I could understand the 8 hours to get from Reading to Theale, but achieving warp speed from Theale to Newbury in -7.5 hours might have been a bit tricky. biggrin.gif


http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/NewsItem.aspx?id=631 biggrin.gif

Posted by: JeffG Feb 12 2010, 01:34 PM

Good for them, then. It's a fair while since I retired from the daily nightmare that was the commute to London! smile.gif

Posted by: Gumbo Feb 12 2010, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 12 2010, 12:06 PM) *
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/NewsItem.aspx?id=631 biggrin.gif


I get the 8.29 every morning and if ever a FGW Senior Manager bothered to show his face at Newbury station I would tell them where they can stick their golden whistle!

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 12 2010, 04:11 PM

QUOTE (Gumbo @ Feb 12 2010, 03:17 PM) *
I get the 8.29 every morning and if ever a FGW Senior Manager bothered to show his face at Newbury station I would tell them where they can stick their golden whistle!


Go by bus or car then.

Posted by: Torchy Feb 14 2010, 01:23 PM

Wow! So many people at Newbury Station to see Tornado today - including lots of young families.

Looks like the next steam train will be http://www.6024.com/home.htm on the Saturday 26th June.

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 14 2010, 01:49 PM

QUOTE (Torchy @ Feb 14 2010, 01:23 PM) *
Wow! So many people at Newbury Station to see Tornado today - including lots of young families.

Looks like the next steam train will be http://www.6024.com/home.htm on the Saturday 26th June.



Yes, rather a lot of "*cough* losers *cough*" tongue.gif

Posted by: dannyboy Feb 14 2010, 03:49 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 14 2010, 01:49 PM) *
Yes, rather a lot of "*cough* losers *cough*" tongue.gif

reminds me of middle aged men who go out & buy a motor bike.

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 15 2010, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 14 2010, 03:49 PM) *
reminds me of middle aged men who go out & buy a motor bike.



It wasn't me that started the insults. angry.gif

Every one to their own as far as I'm concerned as long as it does no harm.

No need to insult people just because of their interest.

Posted by: dannyboy Feb 16 2010, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 15 2010, 06:33 PM) *
It wasn't me that started the insults. angry.gif

Every one to their own as far as I'm concerned as long as it does no harm.

No need to insult people just because of their interest.



err, didn't you can the poeple who went to see the Locomotive 'losers'?

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 16 2010, 09:10 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 16 2010, 08:21 AM) *
err, didn't you can the poeple who went to see the Locomotive 'losers'?



Obviously the sarcasm was lost on you! blink.gif

I was trying to highlight the reference by Strafin in post 52 on this thread that those who take an interest in this subject are "losers" by pointing out that a large number of people turn out to witness these events.
Are they all "losers"?

Anyway - end of subject.

For those who are interested I will continue to highlight forthcoming steam locomotive visits to Newbury.

For those who aren't - just ignore the thread as I do the football one! mellow.gif

Posted by: Mariejader Feb 16 2010, 10:39 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 16 2010, 09:10 AM) *
For those who are interested I will continue to highlight forthcoming steam locomotive visits to Newbury.


Thank you

Posted by: JeffG Feb 16 2010, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 16 2010, 09:10 AM) *
Obviously the sarcasm was lost on you! blink.gif

From personal experience, sarcasm/irony doesn't work in this forum smile.gif

Posted by: Strafin Feb 16 2010, 04:15 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 16 2010, 09:10 AM) *
For those who are interested I will continue to highlight forthcoming steam locomotive visits to Newbury.

For those who aren't - just ignore the thread as I do the football one! mellow.gif

My mate went and loved it. So much so that he has talked me into going to see when the next one comes. Looks like I might end up eating my words.

Posted by: JeffG Feb 16 2010, 07:53 PM

A few pics of Sunday's event for those who missed it and might be interested:








Posted by: Ron Feb 21 2010, 10:43 PM

The trouble is the NWN needs to research a bit more carefully as they cannot get the history of Tornado correct. She wasn't built by BR she was built by the Tornado Trust. She is a new build and steamed for the first time in 2008.

ronalex - a shareholder in 7903 Foremarke Hall steaming on the GWR

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 26 2010, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (Ron @ Feb 21 2010, 10:43 PM) *
The trouble is the NWN needs to research a bit more carefully as they cannot get the history of Tornado correct. She wasn't built by BR she was built by the Tornado Trust. She is a new build and steamed for the first time in 2008.

ronalex - a shareholder in 7903 Foremarke Hall steaming on the GWR



That's right she was built by the A1 Steam Locomotive Trust at Darlington and was completed in 2008

She took 18 years to build from conception to completion at a cost of around £3M

http://www.a1steam.com/

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 6 2010, 09:25 AM

Wednesday 14 April 2010

SR Merchant Navy Class 4-6-2 no 35028 Clan Line
on the VSOE

PROVISIONAL TIMES

Newbury Racecourse arrive 11:02
Depart 11:20 (Water Stop)


Return fast through Newbury 18:26

Posted by: Biker1 May 17 2010, 09:57 PM

Saturday 22 May 2010

Southern Railway King Arthur Class 4-6-0 no 30777 Sir Lamiel and
British Railways Britannia Class 4-6-2 no 70013 Oliver Cromwell double headed.

Newbury Racecourse 09:43 - 09:59 (Water)

Through Newbury after that.


EDIT revised times now 09:46 - 10:01

And

70013 Oliver Cromwell now replaced by LMS Class 5MT 4-6-0 no 44871

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 18 2010, 06:09 PM

Saturday 19 June 2010

GWR King Class 4-6-0 no 6024 King Edward I

Scheduled through Newbury at 19:41

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 24 2010, 05:51 PM

THE CORNISH RIVIERA EXPRESS


Saturday 26 June 2010

GWR King Class 4-6-0 no 6024 King Edward I

Scheduled Newbury water stop from 10:25 to 10:51

Posted by: Iommi Jun 24 2010, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 24 2010, 06:51 PM) *
THE CORNISH RIVIERA EXPRESS

Saturday 26 June 2010

GWR King Class 4-6-0 no 6024 King Edward I

Scheduled Newbury water stop from 10:25 to 10:51

I presume the water stop is at the racecourse. I wish they didn't always stop there so we could have a 'full tilt run through'!

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 24 2010, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (Iommi @ Jun 24 2010, 08:12 PM) *
I presume the water stop is at the racecourse. I wish they didn't always stop there so we could have a 'full tilt run through'!


No - details say water stop is at Newbury.

They usually run fast when travelling towards Reading.

Last Saturday run past as in post 73 she was doing about 60mph.

Posted by: Iommi Jun 24 2010, 09:16 PM

Do they 'water' at Newbury station?

Posted by: JeffG Jun 25 2010, 07:59 AM

QUOTE (Iommi @ Jun 24 2010, 10:16 PM) *
Do they 'water' at Newbury station?

Post #68 was a stop to take on water. (Red truck in the first picture.)

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 25 2010, 11:17 AM

QUOTE (Iommi @ Jun 24 2010, 10:16 PM) *
Do they 'water' at Newbury station?


Yep.

Posted by: Biker1 Jul 11 2010, 06:58 PM

Some interesting and alarming pics http://markfew.fotopic.net/c1870413.html of damage to an HST yesterday after it hit a tree.

It didn't stop here but would have passed through Newbury earlier.

Must have caused quite some disruption.

Hope the driver was OK (or as OK as they could be under the circumstances!)

Posted by: Biker1 Sep 8 2010, 05:08 AM

Saturday 11th Sept. ex LNER A4 pacific No. 60019 "Bittern"
Calling at Newbury AM & PM.
Don't have times yet but will edit when known.

EDIT:-
08:41 and 20:23 @ Newbury.

Posted by: Torchy Nov 30 2010, 10:07 PM

Wednesday 1 December 2010

Cathedrals Express: Victoria-Bristol-Victoria

LNER A4 Class 4-6-2 no 60007 Sir Nigel Gresley

Newbury Racecourse (for water) arrive 11:03 depart 11:21

Might make an interesting sight in the cold weather...

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 17 2011, 04:38 AM

2 steam hauled special trains at Newbury this Saturday 18th................

1st takes water at Newbury Racecourse from 09:45 - 10:15.
Departs Newbury at 10:23.
(Returns Newbury at 20:35.)

2nd takes water at Newbury Racecourse from 11:05 - 11:50.
Passes Newbury at 11:54.

Happy spotting! smile.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 17 2011, 07:01 AM

What trains will they be?

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 17 2011, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 17 2011, 08:01 AM) *
What trains will they be?

First one is BR Britannia class pacific No. 70013 "Oliver Cromwell" on an excursion to Minehead.

Second is GWR Castle class No. 5043 "Earl of Mount Edgcumbe" on a round trip from the Birmingham area.

Posted by: Ron Jun 17 2011, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 17 2011, 08:01 AM) *
What trains will they be?

Do you mean engines?

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 18 2011, 07:07 AM

QUOTE (Ron @ Jun 17 2011, 09:32 PM) *
Do you mean engines?

I felt if I asked that, someone would sarcastically reply: Steam! laugh.gif

If they were cars, I'd have asked what model, so Biker1 has kindly answered the question.

I have already seen 'Tangmere' and 'Bittern', so as these are new on me, I feel compelled to go and have a look. Although I'd like to see them at 'full tilt'.

Although I am far from a train enthusiast, I rather oddly get emotional when I see things like this. I even got slightly emotional when James May's model 'Flying Scotsman' won it's 10 mile race against the German team.

Posted by: Ron Jun 18 2011, 09:14 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 18 2011, 08:07 AM) *
I felt if I asked that, someone would sarcastically reply: Steam! laugh.gif

If they were cars, I'd have asked what model, so Biker1 has kindly answered the question.

I have already seen 'Tangmere' and 'Bittern', so as these are new on me, I feel compelled to go and have a look. Although I'd like to see them at 'full tilt'.

Although I am far from a train enthusiast, I rather oddly get emotional when I see things like this. I even got slightly emotional when James May's model 'Flying Scotsman' won it's 10 mile race against the German team.

I don't know what speed they will be doing, but they come close to the road and canal at Froxfield

Posted by: richy rich Jun 19 2011, 05:31 AM

Just would like to say thank you for the heads up on the trains arriving yesterday. My 2 children enjoyed seeing the trains and they always bring out the kid in me. We look forward to the next water stop.

Best wishes R rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 19 2011, 07:34 AM

QUOTE (Ron @ Jun 17 2011, 09:32 PM) *
Do you mean engines?

To be technically correct it should be "locomotives". wink.gif

Posted by: Ron Jun 19 2011, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 19 2011, 08:34 AM) *
To be technically correct it should be "locomotives". wink.gif

If you must be pedantic 'steam locomotives! wink.gif
Director and secretary of 7903 Ltd.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 19 2011, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Ron @ Jun 19 2011, 10:51 AM) *
If you must be pedantic 'steam locomotives! wink.gif

wink.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 19 2011, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (Ron @ Jun 19 2011, 10:51 AM) *
Director and secretary of 7903 Ltd.

Last time I saw her was at Barry in 1969!
Must get round to seeing her back in all her glory.
I believe she is at the G&WR at the moment?

Posted by: Ron Jun 19 2011, 10:26 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 19 2011, 07:59 PM) *
Last time I saw her was at Barry in 1969!
Must get round to seeing her back in all her glory.
I believe she is at the G&WR at the moment?

We took her out of Barry in '81 to Swindon & Cricklade where she was restored to mainline condition. She has about another year or so to the end of her first 10 year boiler ticket. She has just spent the closed season having axle boxes, etc. done ready for this year. Because G&WR is 'cut in half' she is steaming from Cheltenham at present.

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 7 2011, 06:19 PM

VSOE Special.

Wednesday 12 October 2011.

New Build LNER A1 Class 4-6-2 No 60163 Tornado.

Passing Newbury at 11:18 and 18:20.
(Newbury Racecourse at 11:02 for water.)

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 11 2011, 08:30 AM

Just a quick update.........

Is not now Tornado but BR Britannia Class 4-6-2 No 70000 Britannia.

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 11 2011, 10:12 AM

Saturday 15 October 2011

GWR Castle Class 4-6-0 No 5043 Earl of Mount Edgcumbe

TIMES:-

Newbury Racecourse (water) 11:05 - 11:50
Newbury (pass) 11:54


Posted by: JeffG Nov 6 2011, 02:39 PM

I chanced upon http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/12815 to re-open the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton railway with minor route changes where necessary. Thought railway people might be interested, though I can't see it ever happening, especially since one of the "minor route changes" is the Newbury bypass!

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 6 2011, 04:39 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 11 2011, 10:12 AM) *
Saturday 15 October 2011

GWR Castle Class 4-6-0 No 5043 Earl of Mount Edgcumbe

TIMES:-

Newbury Racecourse (water) 11:05 - 11:50
Newbury (pass) 11:54

Would you bump this hearer the day, I'd like to see this one?

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 7 2011, 09:05 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 6 2011, 05:39 PM) *
Would you bump this hearer the day, I'd like to see this one?

Eh? blink.gif

Posted by: Richard Garvie Nov 7 2011, 09:06 AM

I thought that. That one past a few weeks ago Andy, unless the post is a typo.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 7 2011, 09:08 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 6 2011, 03:39 PM) *
I chanced upon http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/12815 to re-open the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton railway with minor route changes where necessary. Thought railway people might be interested, though I can't see it ever happening, especially since one of the "minor route changes" is the Newbury bypass!

Now I might be seen to be a little negative here but........
NOT A CHANCE IN HĚLL! sad.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 7 2011, 09:11 AM

QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Nov 7 2011, 10:06 AM) *
I thought that. That one past a few weeks ago Andy, unless the post is a typo.

Yep, you missed it Andy.
It was a great sight!!

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 9 2012, 08:41 AM



Saturday 10 March 2012

LNER A1 Class 4-6-2 no 60163 Tornado

TIMES at Newbury

Arrive 09:29
Depart 09:49

Return 21:41

Posted by: user23 Mar 10 2012, 10:31 AM

Reasonable crowd there today.

I guess quite a few like to see a chuff chuff on a Saturday morning.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 10 2012, 10:34 AM

It is disappointing that they have to stop for water or whatever, it'd be good to see they go through Newbury at full chat! I think the sight of these puffing billies is quite evocative.

Posted by: user23 Mar 10 2012, 10:48 AM

Surely you'd only need to drive a couple of miles either side of Newbury to see this?

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 10 2012, 11:04 AM

QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 10 2012, 10:48 AM) *
Surely you'd only need to drive a couple of miles either side of Newbury to see this?

The problem is, I was only born yesterday and didn't think of that! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 10 2012, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 10 2012, 12:04 PM) *
The problem is, I was only born yesterday and didn't think of that! rolleyes.gif

Kintbury is very good when they are working away from London.
They are ususally working hard and picking up speed.

Posted by: Ron Mar 10 2012, 03:03 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 10 2012, 12:01 PM) *
Kintbury is very good when they are working away from London.
They are ususally working hard and picking up speed.

So is the Froxfield area by the canal. Can not show you a steamer traveling at main line speed, but go to the Gloucester & Warwickshire Railway and see them travel and have a ride on one at the maximum speed allowed by the Light Railway Order - abot 30 mph if I remeber correctly. Ours, 7903, is running out of Cheltenham at present.

Posted by: user23 Mar 14 2012, 09:13 PM

Is there a website where you can find out when you can see a bit of chuff chuff in Newbury?

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 14 2012, 10:24 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 14 2012, 11:13 PM) *
Is there a website where you can find out when you can see a bit of chuff chuff in Newbury?

http://www.uksteam.info/index.htm - Use the menu on the right.
(Presume you mean steam trains?? wink.gif )

Posted by: Penelope Mar 14 2012, 10:44 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 14 2012, 10:24 PM) *
http://www.uksteam.info/index.htm - Use the menu on the right.
(Presume you mean steam trains?? wink.gif )

Or the labour manifesto, both comprise mainly of hot air.

Posted by: Adrian Hollister Mar 18 2012, 09:31 AM

QUOTE (Penelope @ Mar 14 2012, 10:44 PM) *
Or the labour manifesto, both comprise mainly of hot air.

Yawn (again).

There are a few pictures out there from Kintbury - here is one of them http://www.railwayherald.com/imagingcentre/view/224928/PL

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 18 2012, 09:35 AM

QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Mar 18 2012, 10:31 AM) *
There are a few pictures out there from Kintbury - here is one of them http://www.railwayherald.com/imagingcentre/view/224928/PL

Great shots.
(And taken without trespassing on the line and putting oneself in great danger as many were doing at Newbury that day.)

Posted by: Grumpy Apr 11 2012, 11:22 AM

2 steam trains in Newbury this morning, they passed each other by the Sterling Cable tower just after 11.00am.

Anybody know what they were?

Posted by: NORTHENDER Apr 11 2012, 12:53 PM

My grandson said it was Thomas and Bash tongue.gif

Posted by: John C Apr 11 2012, 03:23 PM

QUOTE (Grumpy @ Apr 11 2012, 12:22 PM) *
2 steam trains in Newbury this morning, they passed each other by the Sterling Cable tower just after 11.00am.

Anybody know what they were?

Clan Line was due to take on water at Racecourse between 1103 - 1120 on its way to Bristol and on its return Journey take on water at Theale between 1838 - 1908
I don't know what the other one was though.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 12 2012, 07:25 AM

QUOTE (Grumpy @ Apr 11 2012, 12:22 PM) *
2 steam trains in Newbury this morning, they passed each other by the Sterling Cable tower just after 11.00am.

Anybody know what they were?

There was only one.

Ex SR pacific 35028 "Clan Line" on the VSOE.
Came back through in the evening on the return journey at about 18:15.

Posted by: Grumpy Apr 12 2012, 07:44 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 12 2012, 08:25 AM) *
There was only one.

Ex SR pacific 35028 "Clan Line" on the VSOE.
Came back through in the evening on the return journey at about 18:15.


Nope, there were 2.

The easbound train was Brittania with just one carriage.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 12 2012, 07:53 AM

QUOTE (Grumpy @ Apr 12 2012, 08:44 AM) *
Nope, there were 2.

The easbound train was Brittania with just one carriage.

Oh thanks, I stand corrected.
Didn't realise that light engine move. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Grumpy Apr 12 2012, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 12 2012, 08:53 AM) *
Oh thanks, I stand corrected.
Didn't realise that light engine move. rolleyes.gif

There is a picture of it passing through Hungerford on page 10 of this weeks NWN

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 12 2012, 08:28 AM

QUOTE (Grumpy @ Apr 12 2012, 09:17 AM) *
There is a picture of it passing through Hungerford on page 10 of this weeks NWN

Did they call it "The"Britannia?
The non-rail media usually make some sort of howler! biggrin.gif

Posted by: John C Apr 12 2012, 09:07 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 12 2012, 09:28 AM) *
Did they call it "The"Britannia?
The non-rail media usually make some sort of howler! biggrin.gif

No http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_standard_class_7_70000_Britannia

Posted by: OldNewburian Apr 12 2012, 01:08 PM

QUOTE (John C @ Apr 12 2012, 10:07 AM) *
No http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_standard_class_7_70000_Britannia


70000: Bishops Lydeard WSR-Southall

Posted by: NORTHENDER Apr 14 2012, 09:44 AM

Couple for the chuffer lovers. Took these at a 40s weekend at Holt station in Norfolk.
For any old wrinklies on here that can remember that far back the weekend is a must.





Posted by: Nothing Much Apr 14 2012, 10:10 AM

Nice detail NORTHENDER. Oliver Cromwell was used last year between Dereham and Wymondham.
ce

Posted by: Exhausted Apr 15 2012, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (Nothing Much @ Apr 14 2012, 11:10 AM) *
Nice detail NORTHENDER. Oliver Cromwell was used last year between Dereham and Wymondham.
ce


92203 is Black Prince, saved from the scrapheap by the artist David Shepherd.
Oliver Cromwell is a Britannia class, running number 70013. That engine's claim to fame being that it was one of those pulling the last BR steam excursion prior to the switch to diesel

Posted by: Nothing Much Apr 15 2012, 01:13 PM

Thanks Exhausted. I am never too proud to be corrected.
Still it is a fine looking engine.

I promised I wouldn't digress or ramble. BUT a neighbour was involved
in University courses and their use over the world.
He used the time off to travel some amazing routes in China, India.
ce

Posted by: NORTHENDER Apr 15 2012, 02:25 PM

Not very good picture but you can just see the name.






Same day.




A favorite picture of mine showing the wood off well.


Posted by: Exhausted Apr 15 2012, 02:56 PM

The interesting thing about LNER coaching stock was that the early coaches were real wood and varnished but even when full metal coaches were introduced, they were painted to look like varnished wood and realistic they were to. I suspect the coaches in the picture were the teak effect but I'm not a rivet counter so I leave that question to the experts.

Posted by: Nothing Much Apr 15 2012, 02:57 PM

Cracking woodwork
It is strange how some of these relics end up back on the line.
After being a bungalow for 50 years.
ce.

Posted by: Sherlock Apr 19 2012, 03:01 PM

Just posting this so I can receive emails from this thread. As you were.

Posted by: dannyboy Apr 19 2012, 05:50 PM

If you like locomotive etc then it might be worth popping up to Donnington & D&N on saturday. They are selling the Salem collection of locomotive models. 18 items in total such as -

The finest exhibition quality 7 ¼ inch gauge model of the Sir William Stanier London Midland and Scottish Railway 'Pacific' 4-6-2 LMS Locomotive and Tender No 6230 'Duchess of Buccleuch', an accurate replication of the original engine in every detail and was built according to the drawings of Crewe and took ten years and over 18,000 hours to build the model, it was built by the famous model engineer Mr Harry Powell of Crewe and his brother Norman,the paintwork and lettering by Louis Raper,
this magnificent model is fitted with a fully brazed and riveted superheated copper boiler with Belpaire firebox and all normal fittings including safety valves, regulator, blower, whistle, brake, injector and blowdown valves, incorporating full external detailing and smoke deflectors, fine scale cab fittings include wheel reverse gear, lever operated sliding firedoors, draincocks and ejector levers, three pressure gauges, twin water sight gauges, mahogany planked floor with steel panel and scale checker-plate, a wealth of classic fittings.
Chassis with twin outside cylinders fitted with Walschearts valve gear and two inside cylinders, scale twin ratchet lubricators, brass lubrication boxes, draincocks, sanding gear, working steam brakes, leaf springs and beautifully finished wheels, fluted motion, exceptional external detailing, smoke deflector plates,these were later fitted to all of the class. Tender details includes 4000 gallon Type II plaque,handbrake, water pick-up control, steam-driven mechanical coal pusher with cylinder guides and lifting eyes. The model finished in LMS maroon with yellow and black lining.
Length 113" Cab Width 13 ½'

The Stanier 'Duchess Class' designated 7P operated throughout Great Britain and were ostensibly Princess Cornation Class Locomotives which were nicknamed "Duchesses" and many of both of the combined classes carried streamlining in the pre-and-immediately post-war period. They hauled the heaviest express trains from Euston through to Scotland including 'The Royal Scot' and earlier 'Coronation' services. One of the class was sent to the USA for the World Fair of 1939 in its streamlined form. All the class were withdrawn in 1965 and three remain in preservation.

* Sir William Stanier FRS. Chief Mechanical Engineer of the LMS at the company Crewe works.

* Harry Powell worked all his life at Crewe locomotive works, he was a Master Coppersmith and chief of the copper-shop at Crewe.

This locomotive was delivered to Jack Salem in Switzerland by Harry Powell and Louis Raper. On arrival Harry Powell said to Jack Salem "Well you wanted the finest piece that has ever been built and here it is".

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 19 2012, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Apr 15 2012, 03:56 PM) *
The interesting thing about LNER coaching stock was that the early coaches were real wood and varnished but even when full metal coaches were introduced, they were painted to look like varnished wood and realistic they were to. I suspect the coaches in the picture were the teak effect but I'm not a rivet counter so I leave that question to the experts.

This is the http://www.mandgn.co.uk/carriages_quads.htm (Quad Articulated) which runs as a set of four coaches and is articulated with only 1 bogie between coaches.

The Duchesses were so called because many were named after duchesses of the realm.
Small point, they did not run throughout Great Britain but were confined mainly to the express routes out of Euston. Mainly the Scottish Expresses.

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 29 2012, 11:10 PM

Biker1 might like this if he hasn't seen it already. A fascinating web page with a video if the Newbury to Didcot Railway: http://www.hampsteadnorreys.org.uk/History/Railway_History.html.

Posted by: Grumpy Apr 29 2012, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2012, 12:10 AM) *
Biker1 might like this if he hasn't seen it already. A fascinating web page with a video if the Newbury to Didcot Railway: http://www.hampsteadnorreys.org.uk/History/Railway_History.html.

That is an excellent bit of footage, which I discovered via another website http://www.newbury.net/forum/m-1326994555/s-all/ that discussed the revival of the Didcot, Newbury & Southampton Railway.

I have a keen interest in the old railway lines and would like to see the local ones reopen. However I realise that this will never happen because many of the bridges have been demolished, and in many instances the trackbed has been utilised for other purposes.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 30 2012, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 30 2012, 12:10 AM) *
Biker1 might like this if he hasn't seen it already. A fascinating web page with a video if the Newbury to Didcot Railway: http://www.hampsteadnorreys.org.uk/History/Railway_History.html.

Brilliant!
Thanks Andy.
I think I was born a few years too late!
(P.S. Note the spelling of "Hampstead Norreys" on the station running in board. Anyone know why this was?)

Posted by: Dodgys smarter brother. Apr 30 2012, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 30 2012, 08:55 PM) *
(P.S. Note the spelling of "Hampstead Norreys" on the station running in board. Anyone know why this was?)


http://www.newbury.net/forum/m-1326994555/s-all/

Posted by: Biker1 May 1 2012, 05:19 AM

QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Apr 30 2012, 09:34 PM) *
http://www.newbury.net/forum/m-1326994555/s-all/

Thanks.

Posted by: Biker1 Jul 6 2012, 07:33 AM

Thursday 12 July BR Pacific No. 70000 "Britannia" on its way to Salisbury.
Times later, but I think it will be about 11:15

Posted by: NORTHENDER Jul 6 2012, 08:18 AM

Waiting for my train at King's Cross at the weekend this came chuffing in. Tornado, last, and newest to be built.


Posted by: Biker1 Jul 6 2012, 10:26 AM

QUOTE (NORTHENDER @ Jul 6 2012, 09:18 AM) *
Waiting for my train at King's Cross at the weekend this came chuffing in. Tornado, last, and newest to be built.

She may not hold that title for long. There are others in the pipeline.
http://www.lms-patriot.org.uk/index.html for example.

Posted by: NORTHENDER Jul 6 2012, 10:49 AM

Lets hope they meet their goal. The more I see about the better. While at King's Cross I was amazed at the length of the queue for people to have a photo pushing the luggage trolley through the wall to platform 9 3/4.


Posted by: Biker1 Jul 8 2012, 05:11 PM

Thursday 12 July 2012

BR Britannia Class 7MT 4-6-2 no 70000 "Britannia".


Sorry folks I was completely wrong in my estimation of times for this one in my earlier post! wacko.gif

Times are Newbury 13:20 - 13:30.

Edit: - Sorry folks it got cancelled at the last minute. sad.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Jul 19 2012, 08:35 AM

Saturday 21 July 2012

SR "Battle of Britain" class Light Pacific 4-6-2 no 34067 Tangmere

TIMES:- Newbury 10:22
return 21:11

Posted by: Exhausted Jul 19 2012, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 8 2012, 06:11 PM) *
Thursday 12 July 2012

BR Britannia Class 7MT 4-6-2 no 70000 "Britannia".


Sorry folks I was completely wrong in my estimation of times for this one in my earlier post! wacko.gif

Times are Newbury 13:20 - 13:30.

Edit: - Sorry folks it got cancelled at the last minute. sad.gif


Actually came through on Tuesday or Wednesday this week.

Tangmere
? http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t12/t0721d.htm

Posted by: Biker1 Jul 19 2012, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jul 19 2012, 08:48 PM) *
Actually came through on Tuesday or Wednesday this week.

Tangmere
? http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t12/t0721d.htm

Sorry Exhausted, don't understand the gist of your post.
The link you have posted is for the train on Saturday which I have just posted today. Post#146

Posted by: Exhausted Jul 20 2012, 09:11 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 19 2012, 10:05 PM) *
Sorry Exhausted, don't understand the gist of your post.
The link you have posted is for the train on Saturday which I have just posted today. Post#146


Not very complicated, the Britannia came though Newbury the week after the cancellation. Just a comment as I was a bit surprised to see it.

The Tangmere link just details the full timetable which shows a stop at the racecourse for water before moving on to Newbury station. Thought the link to the site was fairly clear as in fact as far as I could see, you didn't post a link, just said that it would be at Newbury and missed the racecourse bit. Sorry if you thought I was stealing your thunder.

Posted by: John C Jul 21 2012, 10:49 AM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jul 19 2012, 08:48 PM) *
Actually came through on Tuesday or Wednesday this week.

Tangmere
? http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t12/t0721d.htm



QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 19 2012, 10:05 PM) *
Sorry Exhausted, don't understand the gist of your post.
The link you have posted is for the train on Saturday which I have just posted today. Post#146



QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jul 20 2012, 10:11 PM) *
Not very complicated, the Britannia came though Newbury the week after the cancellation. Just a comment as I was a bit surprised to see it.

The Tangmere link just details the full timetable which shows a stop at the racecourse for water before moving on to Newbury station. Thought the link to the site was fairly clear as in fact as far as I could see, you didn't post a link, just said that it would be at Newbury and missed the racecourse bit. Sorry if you thought I was stealing your thunder.

Heard steam train go through this morning

Posted by: Nothing Much Jul 21 2012, 12:34 PM

Interesting snap of the girl pushing a wall with her trolley.
Did she get rid of the grumpy child?

Funny how films and the internet change some things. My son does odd things like
photographing brickwork,paving stones. The wall at Kings Cross caught my eye.
Too clean for a purist I have since been told. It needs smut.

At the moment he is recreating the old North London Line & the "Poppy line" (Norfolk).
He goes into great detail with things as mundane as telephone poles.
He plans a visit to York to study original details of such things as couplings.

He was a 3d graphics designer for corporate jollies.
That seemed to stop at the buffers some years ago.

Nice to see the new train and to hear that work is ongoing on the next.
ce

Posted by: booboo Jul 21 2012, 02:36 PM

There she steams ( racecourse watering hole ).


 

Posted by: Nothing Much Jul 21 2012, 03:32 PM

My old chum was a railway enthusiast.
The widow has no idea what is stored in the attic. I know there is a signal .
He went on trains to Mongolia for fun. Some of his snaps are great.
ce

Posted by: Biker1 Jul 21 2012, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jul 20 2012, 10:11 PM) *
Not very complicated, the Britannia came though Newbury the week after the cancellation. Just a comment as I was a bit surprised to see it.

The Tangmere link just details the full timetable which shows a stop at the racecourse for water before moving on to Newbury station. Thought the link to the site was fairly clear as in fact as far as I could see, you didn't post a link, just said that it would be at Newbury and missed the racecourse bit. Sorry if you thought I was stealing your thunder.

Sorry again exhausted, Britannia did not come through this week. (That's what was confusing me.)
Clan Line came through on Wednesday though on the VSOE!

Posted by: On the edge Jul 21 2012, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (Nothing Much @ Jul 21 2012, 04:32 PM) *
My old chum was a railway enthusiast.
The widow has no idea what is stored in the attic. I know there is a signal .
He went on trains to Mongolia for fun. Some of his snaps are great.
ce


I hope it isn't the one that they has failed on the Central line most morinings? If it is can you sneak it back?

Posted by: Exhausted Jul 21 2012, 06:19 PM

Excellent picture booboo. Bit less crowded around the engine than last time it came to Newbury.

Sorry about the confusion, You are right Biker it was Clan Line that came through not Britannia.

Posted by: Exhausted Jul 21 2012, 06:22 PM

QUOTE (Nothing Much @ Jul 21 2012, 01:34 PM) *
The wall at Kings Cross caught my eye.
Too clean for a purist I have since been told. It needs smut.


Perhaps you might like to nail a copy of 'Fifty Shades of Grey' on the wall. That should resolve the lack of smut.

Posted by: NORTHENDER Jul 21 2012, 06:41 PM

QUOTE (Nothing Much @ Jul 21 2012, 01:34 PM) *
Interesting snap of the girl pushing a wall with her trolley Shrimper.
Did she get rid of the grumpy child?
ce


Who is Shrimper? tongue.gif

Posted by: Nothing Much Jul 21 2012, 06:57 PM

OOOOOPs ce

Posted by: NORTHENDER Jul 21 2012, 07:09 PM

Tiss all but a game Nothing Much, all but a game wink.gif

Posted by: Nothing Much Jul 22 2012, 12:38 PM

Too right Northender,. There is not much I can hide. Anymore.
I was born into the Mespot.Most of the folk I knew are dead or in homes.
If anyone has a spare moment .
cje49 youtube.

I am the chap in the white shorts.
ce

Posted by: Baffers100 Jul 26 2012, 01:24 PM

I went to see this, I find these old beasts fascinating to watch.

There was one old sod shouting at a few rambling old souls in the middle of the train track, "people like you are going to get these events stopped." At first I scowled at this gobby chap, and then I saw who he was shouting at. Indeed, a few senseless individuals decided to take a leisurely walk over the trainlines to photograph the steam train. This shows total abandon of common sense. A train is not going to stop for an old bugger with his point and shoot, so can we keep to the designated and safe areas to stand?

Posted by: Biker1 Jul 26 2012, 06:08 PM

QUOTE (Baffers100 @ Jul 26 2012, 02:24 PM) *
I went to see this, I find these old beasts fascinating to watch.

There was one old sod shouting at a few rambling old souls in the middle of the train track, "people like you are going to get these events stopped." At first I scowled at this gobby chap, and then I saw who he was shouting at. Indeed, a few senseless individuals decided to take a leisurely walk over the trainlines to photograph the steam train. This shows total abandon of common sense. A train is not going to stop for an old bugger with his point and shoot, so can we keep to the designated and safe areas to stand?

I expect many of you have seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_P4OO1TtM but it serves as a reminder to those daft people who will risk anything to get that "best shot".
And yes, when someone is killed doing it that will be then end of steam on the railways.

Posted by: Ron Jul 26 2012, 08:08 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 26 2012, 07:08 PM) *
I expect many of you have seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_P4OO1TtM but it serves as a reminder to those daft people who will risk anything to get that "best shot".
And yes, when someone is killed doing it that will be then end of steam on the railways.

There has been an unfortunate number of deaths on the preserved railways this year. The Light Railway Authority/H&SE are becoming ever more strict and this is producing a whole raft of new proceedures to be followed.
Director 7903 Ltd.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 13 2012, 10:05 AM

Steam this evening - Newbury at 18:23 (booked time).
LNER A4 Class 4-6-2 no 60019 Bittern [4464]

Also same loco Wednesday 15th August Newbury at 11:54 - 12:07 (Booked time water stop).
Return at 21:01

Posted by: Exhausted Aug 18 2012, 01:36 PM

Oliver Cromwell went west through Newbury this morning. Shiny shiny and looking wonderful in the sunshine.

Posted by: Penelope Aug 18 2012, 06:34 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Aug 18 2012, 02:36 PM) *
Oliver Cromwell went west through Newbury this morning. Shiny shiny and looking wonderful in the sunshine.


Heard it.

Posted by: Squelchy Aug 18 2012, 06:43 PM

Yeah, but he's been here before....(27 October 1644) I do believe.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 19 2012, 08:40 AM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Aug 18 2012, 02:36 PM) *
Oliver Cromwell went west through Newbury this morning. Shiny shiny and looking wonderful in the sunshine.

Yes, sorry I omitted to notify of that one.

Funny thing is, on the way back it was signalled into the through line at Newbury so passengers wanting to alight could not.
It was then stopped at Newbury Racecourse station so that they could get off there instead!! biggrin.gif

Posted by: NORTHENDER Aug 31 2012, 08:39 AM

Different sort of chuff chuff, nice though. I was at RAF Benson last week at a family day and these rolled in. Hot oil, steam, coal, the smells the same, great.





Posted by: On the edge Aug 31 2012, 11:47 AM

We used to have a steam fair - would be great to see that come back.

Posted by: Nothing Much Aug 31 2012, 12:15 PM

I went with a group to a fair on Hungerford Common.
The cross my palm with silver lady said I would marry someone.
TallDark She left out the handsome bit,,, I did meet one, but she offed it to the family business in Hong Kong.
Jardine Matheson. So I was happy with the next, short blonde and a pretty girl, for the next 35 years.

Back to the leviathons. There is a 2 day steam fair in Weeting ,Norfolk.
I have never been but many park up outside The Ram Pub which has a huge forecourt carpark.
A great sight. I am sure it is just to take on water!!!
ce

Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 31 2012, 06:17 PM

Not a chuff chuff as such, but the Crofton Beam Engines are hosting a steam gala on the 29-30 September. New for this year is some vintage ploughing. I'll try and post some more details.

Also not a chuff chuff, but I saw a lovely diesel (Northern Belle I think) go through Crofton yesterday afternoon. The carriages looked fantastic with the tables set for dinner.

Posted by: NORTHENDER Sep 1 2012, 09:16 AM

Any steam enthusiasts that has a couple of days to spare could do no better than attend the 40s weekend on the Sherringham-Holt railway this coming 15th 16th Sept. Always a great weekend that can invoke lots of memories.

http://www.nnrailway.co.uk/page.php?pid=7

Posted by: Biker1 Sep 1 2012, 09:18 AM

QUOTE (NORTHENDER @ Sep 1 2012, 10:16 AM) *
Any steam enthusiasts that has a couple of days to spare could do no better than attend the 40s weekend on the Sherringham-Holt railway this coming 15th 16th Sept. Always a great weekend that can invoke lots of memories.

http://www.nnrailway.co.uk/page.php?pid=7

Yes, I've never been to that railway but would like to do so.
Bit of a long way for a day trip unfortunately.

Posted by: Nothing Much Sep 1 2012, 02:46 PM

It is a terrific line.After many years they managed to link up with Sheringham halt again.Mainline.
so they are able to get "Guest" trains on their lines. The long term plan is to restore an orbital network.
A few gaps will be difficult to fill.. roads etc., All the landowners are behind the idea. It just takes hard work.

The village of Weybourne used to be the end of the line,(by coincidence John Major's retreat)They managed to move it on to the next town Holt where you could get a horse drawn charabank into town and the nearest pub.That doesn't seem to run or canter anymore.

There was something in the local paper about why it became known as "The poppy line" but I have forgotten.
ce

Posted by: NORTHENDER Sep 18 2012, 08:19 AM

Three of the four that were on duty at the 40s weekend.











Posted by: Exhausted Sep 26 2012, 06:12 PM

A steam train through Newbury this Saturday 29th Sept. At the racecourse for water at 9:45 then on to the Newbury station at 10:15, departing at 10:27. Headed by either Tangmere or Britannia Oliver Cromwell.

Returns to Paddington through Newbury, scheduled for 21:11 with a four minute stop.

Posted by: Biker1 Sep 27 2012, 04:54 PM

One on Sunday as well!
Not sure of times yet but will post when I have them but should be hauled by "Tornado".
EDIT : Is Tornado and scheduled to pass Newbury at 10:23.
Scheduled to return pass Newbury at 21:25

Posted by: Exhausted Sep 29 2012, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Sep 26 2012, 07:12 PM) *
A steam train through Newbury this Saturday 29th Sept. At the racecourse for water at 9:45 then on to the Newbury station at 10:15, departing at 10:27. Headed by either Tangmere or Britannia Oliver Cromwell.


It was Tangmere and spot on time. Didn't look as if the train was fully booked though.

Posted by: On the edge Sep 29 2012, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Sep 29 2012, 12:55 PM) *
It was Tangmere and spot on time. Didn't look as if the train was fully booked though.


Thanks for the info everyone.

Saw it earlier down the line - had forgotten how fast those things can move. What a sight - took me back too many years!

Posted by: Biker1 Sep 30 2012, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 29 2012, 04:53 PM) *
Thanks for the info everyone.

Saw it earlier down the line - had forgotten how fast those things can move. What a sight - took me back too many years!

Perhaps FGW can be persuaded to invest eh!? wink.gif

Posted by: Ron Sep 30 2012, 09:37 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 29 2012, 04:53 PM) *
- had forgotten how fast those things can move. What a sight - took me back too many years!

But it knocks all sorts of s**t out of the engine running it on the main lines. We restored 7903 to main line standard but refrained from running it on the main line. She runs on the G&WR and has one year approx left on her boiler ticket, and has run that period with the minimum of problems and is the favourite loco of the drivers. On the main line she would have had to had a pretty major overhaul by now, something a private group could never afford.

Posted by: On the edge Sep 30 2012, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 30 2012, 09:31 AM) *
Perhaps FGW can be persuaded to invest eh!? wink.gif


If they did I'd never say a bad word about them again and even buy shares...! wink.gif

Posted by: On the edge Sep 30 2012, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (Ron @ Sep 30 2012, 10:37 AM) *
But it knocks all sorts of s**t out of the engine running it on the main lines. We restored 7903 to main line standard but refrained from running it on the main line. She runs on the G&WR and has one year approx left on her boiler ticket, and has run that period with the minimum of problems and is the favourite loco of the drivers. On the main line she would have had to had a pretty major overhaul by now, something a private group could never afford.


Suppose it always did, the LNER speed merchants amply demonstrated that in the 1930s! Can well understand why there are so few full speed events, or indeed long hauls. Good to know you are keeping them going.

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 1 2012, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Sep 27 2012, 05:54 PM) *
One on Sunday as well!
Not sure of times yet but will post when I have them but should be hauled by "Tornado".
EDIT : Is Tornado and scheduled to pass Newbury at 10:23.
Scheduled to return pass Newbury at 21:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntJHSCHZ0AE for anyone who missed it and is interested.

Posted by: Exhausted Oct 1 2012, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 1 2012, 11:08 AM) *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntJHSCHZ0AE for anyone who missed it and is interested.


Excellent movie, they don't make them like they used to......Oh, wait a minute.........

Posted by: Exhausted Oct 1 2012, 04:37 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 30 2012, 07:23 PM) *
Suppose it always did, the LNER speed merchants amply demonstrated that in the 1930s! Can well understand why there are so few full speed events, or indeed long hauls. Good to know you are keeping them going.


There is a main line speed limit on preserved steam engines, the big uns with the large driving wheels, 75mph. Tornado was designed for 90-100 mph and if the man on the plate (not the driver) decide that the road is good, will allow 80mph or possibly a bit more for 20 miles max. The maximum permitted speed for the old Mk 1 coaches is however 90mph.

Theoretically, Tornado could haul main line at 100mph with the correct coaches but it's unlikely as the engine owners might not want to stress their iron horse too much.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 1 2012, 06:29 PM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Oct 1 2012, 05:37 PM) *
There is a main line speed limit on preserved steam engines, the big uns with the large driving wheels, 75mph. Tornado was designed for 90-100 mph and if the man on the plate (not the driver) decide that the road is good, will allow 80mph or possibly a bit more for 20 miles max. The maximum permitted speed for the old Mk 1 coaches is however 90mph.

Theoretically, Tornado could haul main line at 100mph with the correct coaches but it's unlikely as the engine owners might not want to stress their iron horse too much.


Sounds good to me - I would be quite happy in the Dining Car with an old style railway menu, 1st class of course!

Posted by: Simon Kirby Oct 1 2012, 06:36 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 1 2012, 07:29 PM) *
Sounds good to me - I would be quite happy in the Dining Car with an old style railway menu, 1st class of course!

Absolutely!

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 2 2012, 07:40 AM

QUOTE (Exhausted @ Oct 1 2012, 05:37 PM) *
The maximum permitted speed for the old Mk 1 coaches is however 90mph.

All Mk1's now running on the main line are on either commonwealth or B4 bogies and are passed for 100mph.

Posted by: JeffG Oct 2 2012, 09:31 AM

Just seen a synonym for gricer: ferroequinologist. I like it! smile.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 2 2012, 09:43 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 2 2012, 10:31 AM) *
Just seen a synonym for gricer: ferroequinologist. I like it! smile.gif

Never heard of that one before!
I will use it.
Sounds better than trainspotter (which, by the way, I am not) anyway!! wink.gif

Posted by: JeffG Oct 2 2012, 03:19 PM

From the Latin (obviously) - ferro- iron equus - horse then the -ologist bit (which is Greek, so a bit of a mixup).

To be a purist, it should be siderohippologist (I had to look up the sidero- = iron bit tongue.gif). Then it's all Greek to you and me.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gricer.

Posted by: Penelope Oct 2 2012, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 2 2012, 04:19 PM) *
From the Latin (obviously) - ferro- iron equus - horse then the -ologist bit (which is Greek, so a bit of a mixup).

To be a purist, it should be siderohippologist (I had to look up the sidero- = iron bit tongue.gif). Then it's all Greek to you and me.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gricer.



http://www.anorak.co.uk/

may I suggest a subscription may be in order?

Posted by: dannyboy Oct 2 2012, 04:08 PM

From the Latin (obviously) - then the ....bit which is Greek, so a bit of a mixup.

A bit like Television then.

Posted by: JeffG Oct 2 2012, 07:07 PM

QUOTE (Penelope @ Oct 2 2012, 04:57 PM) *
http://www.anorak.co.uk/

may I suggest a subscription may be in order?

Very good. But how long has knowing a language (even as a distant memory) been an anorakable offence? Maybe that's the problem with the school curriculum these days - too much emphasis on media studies and the like. wink.gif

Posted by: Penelope Oct 2 2012, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 2 2012, 08:07 PM) *
Very good. But how long has knowing a language (even as a distant memory) been an anorakable offence? Maybe that's the problem with the school curriculum these days - too much emphasis on media studies and the like. wink.gif


It was meant in a sense of jocularity. And you did spend some time on it, still never mind. At least I still know how to smile.

Posted by: JeffG Oct 2 2012, 07:41 PM

OK SOH rebooted. smile.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 21 2012, 04:26 PM

Steam this coming
Wednesday 24 October 2012

BR(S) Merchant Navy Class 4-6-2 no 35028 "Clan Line" on the VSOE.

Newbury Racecourse 11:00 - 11:20 taking water.

Not returning this way this time though.

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 25 2012, 10:15 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QsgmplY_Hk what she looked like yesterday at Kintbury. I was on the platform (but not the one filming!).
(You have to wait until 1.15 before the action, and a pity about the diesel stuck on the back!)

Posted by: On the edge Oct 25 2012, 09:50 PM

At the risk of being lynched in GWR country - I think the Southern Bullied pacifics were the finest steam engines ever made.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 25 2012, 09:51 PM

At the risk of being lynched in GWR country - I think the Southern Bullied pacifics were the finest steam engines ever made. Innovative and imaginative design.

Posted by: Ron Oct 25 2012, 10:40 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 25 2012, 10:51 PM) *
At the risk of being lynched in GWR country - I think the Southern Bullied pacifics were the finest steam engines ever made. Innovative and imaginative design.

The Stanier Pacifics were. And that's from a part owner of a GWR modified Hall.

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 26 2012, 08:09 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 25 2012, 10:51 PM) *
At the risk of being lynched in GWR country - I think the Southern Bullied pacifics were the finest steam engines ever made. Innovative and imaginative design.

We agree OTE. Marvellous machines both spam cam and rebuild.
I remember going with my Dad to Worting Junction near Basingstoke and seeing them thundering past. What memories!
Never saw a spam can "Navy" though, I'm not that old!!
Clan Line is 65 years old and certainly not "clapped out"! wink.gif

Posted by: Ron Oct 26 2012, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 26 2012, 09:09 AM) *
We agree OTE. Marvellous machines both spam cam and rebuild.
I remember going with my Dad to Worting Junction near Basingstoke and seeing them thundering past. What memories!
Never saw a spam can "Navy" though, I'm not that old!!
Clan Line is 65 years old and certainly not "clapped out"! wink.gif

Not quite true. She under went a major overhaul that was completed, I think, in about 2006? So 65 years old is a bit missleading.

Posted by: On the edge Oct 26 2012, 08:37 PM


Suppose that's true for most of the restored steam trains. Must say its pretty amazing what the people who keep them going achieve as we don't have the extensive heavy engineering facilities around these days. In pure day to day operability terms Stanier engines probably couldn't be beaten - the ongoing heritage from Swindon's Mr C. Nevertheless, in terms of sheer exuberance, and excitement - the Bullied stuff has it every time. Having a few years on Biker1 I can remember the Merchant Navy class and saw the Golden Arrow a few times from an Aunt's garden - worth being naughty to be sent out there!

That he managed to build them in the War was also astonishing - but someone did suggest that the design owed a fair amount to managing scarce materials during that period. If that's so, its real engineering, making something out of nothing.

This isn't a complaint, simply a wish. Tornado was a fantastic achievement; made me proud to be British, even though American friends thought the whole idea was bizarre, but typical UK. Anyway, wonder what a 'Leader' would be like with say oil firing and today's metals technology?

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 27 2012, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (Ron @ Oct 26 2012, 05:22 PM) *
Not quite true. She under went a major overhaul that was completed, I think, in about 2006? So 65 years old is a bit missleading.

Well if you are being picky then I suppose she was completely rebuilt in 1959 so how much of the original is still running around?
You could say the same about vintage / veteran cars. How much of them is the original parts?
But you still say the are XX years old from their original build date.

Posted by: Penelope Oct 27 2012, 10:46 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 27 2012, 11:11 AM) *
Well if you are being picky then I suppose she was completely rebuilt in 1959 so how much of the original is still running around?
You could say the same about vintage / veteran cars. How much of them is the original parts?
But you still say the are XX years old from their original build date.


I'm still using my Dad's old garden rake, it's had two new handles and a new head, but it's still my Dad's old rake.

Posted by: NORTHENDER Dec 17 2012, 09:22 PM

Last Sunday a steam train was run through the London underground as a test run for next years 150th anniversary of the tube. The run was done a 4 am on the old Metropolitan line I think. Anyone know the exact date of the next run?

Posted by: On the edge Dec 17 2012, 09:28 PM

QUOTE (NORTHENDER @ Dec 17 2012, 09:22 PM) *
Last Sunday a steam train was run through the London underground as a test run for next years 150th anniversary of the tube. The run was done a 4 am on the old Metropolitan line I think. Anyone know the exact date of the next run?


Only the British would ever think of doing something like this! Brilliant. (This is NOT a wind up by the way)

Posted by: Penelope Dec 17 2012, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 17 2012, 09:28 PM) *
Only the British would ever think of doing something like this! Brilliant. (This is NOT a wind up by the way)

Hope to god there's some footage of that.

Posted by: NORTHENDER Dec 17 2012, 09:48 PM

I hope there is too. It started out as a steam system but but was not much of a success for obvious reasons. I listened to the footage on radio 4 early Sunday morning so I think it must have been filmed. Been trying to find it on utube without success.

Posted by: blackdog Dec 17 2012, 10:12 PM

QUOTE (NORTHENDER @ Dec 17 2012, 09:48 PM) *
I hope there is too. It started out as a steam system but but was not much of a success for obvious reasons. I listened to the footage on radio 4 early Sunday morning so I think it must have been filmed. Been trying to find it on utube without success.

Not great but: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20759707

Posted by: NORTHENDER Dec 17 2012, 10:39 PM

Thanks for the link BD.

Posted by: Biker1 Dec 18 2012, 10:44 AM

Three steam excursions planned from Newbury next year so far :-

http://www.steamdreams.co.uk/Executables/GT436TourCalendar.exe?ActionCode=TP&WebBookno=4677067&SS=SDSVR01\SQLExpress&DB=SteamDreams&Division=A&bookingtype=T&date5=41342&Tour=71543&Route=1&Adults=2&Children=0&Infants=0
http://www.steamdreams.co.uk/Executables/GT436TourCalendar.exe?ActionCode=TP&WebBookno=4677067&SS=SDSVR01\SQLExpress&DB=SteamDreams&Division=A&bookingtype=T&date5=41356&Tour=71562&Route=1&Adults=2&Children=0&Infants=0
http://www.steamdreams.co.uk/Executables/GT436TourCalendar.exe?ActionCode=TP&WebBookno=4677067&SS=SDSVR01\SQLExpress&DB=SteamDreams&Division=A&bookingtype=T&date5=41359&Tour=71549&Route=1&Adults=2&Children=0&Infants=0

Posted by: On the edge Dec 18 2012, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Dec 17 2012, 10:12 PM) *
Not great but: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20759707


Great find!. It would be very interesting even to stand on the platforms, particularly if they could get the lighting back to original levels. Anyway, nice news for a change!

Posted by: Biker1 Dec 19 2012, 09:39 AM

And remember folks - the whole of the London Underground is a no-smoking zone!! laugh.gif

Posted by: On the edge Dec 19 2012, 11:35 AM

laugh.gif

Posted by: NORTHENDER Dec 19 2012, 03:38 PM

Tiss a £150 a ticket if you want one.

Posted by: NORTHENDER Jan 9 2013, 07:36 PM

The steam trains are running all day on the 13th but I do not think there will be any photo opportunities so will not be going.

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 22 2013, 05:23 PM

Not exactly a "chuff chuff alert" but those who travel or commute to Reading or London by train may be interested in this programme ............................

The Railway: Keeping Britain on Track

Next Tuesday's episode of BBC 2's The Railway at 9pm will focus on Reading Station and the capacity issues faced by the commuter route into and out of Paddington.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 21 2013, 08:35 PM

2 steam on Saturday!!

http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t13/t0323b.htm

http://www.uksteam.info/tours/t13/t0323c.htm

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 24 2013, 08:20 AM

Again, not exactly a chuff chuff alert but thought it the most appropriate thread...........................
Considering some of the debates that have taken place on the subject on this forum, some of you may be interested in http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-railway-first-great-western biggrin.gif

Posted by: JeffG Aug 24 2013, 09:02 AM

Wow! Something on Channel 5 that's worth watching!

Posted by: JeffG Sep 26 2013, 06:42 PM

Bad behaviour at Newbury Racecourse features on the Channel 5 Great Western programme at 8 o'clock tonight.

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 21 2014, 07:44 AM

Long time since we had a post in this one!
Thought some of you may enjoy seeing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n7AUAMm46Y
(That's me on the platform!! cool.gif)

Posted by: On the edge Apr 21 2014, 08:27 AM

Very good Biker. Even the decent old style coaches, not even I could moan about that!

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 21 2014, 08:50 AM

The sight is even more spectacular when you look at the pictures http://www.tyseleylocoworks.co.uk/tlw/5043_barry.htm!

Posted by: On the edge Apr 21 2014, 09:39 AM

Yes, it's quite incredible, they end up looking better than they did originally, though I only saw them working in the last steam years, when cleaning and maintenance wasn't at its best.

Posted by: dannyboy Apr 21 2014, 09:45 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 21 2014, 10:39 AM) *
Yes, it's quite incredible, they end up looking better than they did originally, though I only saw them working in the last steam years, when cleaning and maintenance wasn't at its best.

Surely not before they were flogged off to the private sector!!!

Posted by: On the edge Apr 21 2014, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 21 2014, 10:45 AM) *
Surely not before they were flogged off to the private sector!!!


I think you might have forgotten that they were built and originally operated by the private sector....

Posted by: dannyboy Apr 21 2014, 02:47 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 21 2014, 11:02 AM) *
I think you might have forgotten that they were built and originally operated by the private sector....

And the romans built our roads......


....but back on track, err yes railways built by monoplies who exploited slave labour......something to be proud of........

Posted by: MontyPython Apr 21 2014, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 21 2014, 03:47 PM) *
And the romans built our roads......


....but back on track, err yes railways built by monoplies who exploited slave labour......something to be proud of........


Your lack of knowledge excels as usual.

The railways were built be separate companies - the big 5 monopolies followed later!

Posted by: dannyboy Apr 21 2014, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (MontyPython @ Apr 21 2014, 04:16 PM) *
Your lack of knowledge excels as usual.

The railways were built be separate companies - the big 5 monopolies followed later!




Yes, thank you but I think I'm fully up to speed re the history of the railways in this country.


They may well have been separate companies but once the rights had been granted to a route, all other rail company's were barred to that route or had to pay ridiculous overrunning charges.

the local MSWJ a case in point.

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 21 2014, 06:04 PM

It kept the Irish employed; hence the various family names we have in Newbury.

Posted by: On the edge Apr 21 2014, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Apr 21 2014, 04:37 PM) *
Yes, thank you but I think I'm fully up to speed re the history of the railways in this country.


They may well have been separate companies but once the rights had been granted to a route, all other rail company's were barred to that route or had to pay ridiculous overrunning charges.

the local MSWJ a case in point.

...or not as the LBSC found out at Havant.


Posted by: Biker1 Apr 22 2014, 07:38 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 21 2014, 07:04 PM) *
It kept the Irish employed; hence the various family names we have in Newbury.

As did the canals before them.
One of the worst things about it all is that so much of their sacrifices and endeavors were unrespected and destroyed by closing many routes that would now be priceless in alleviating congestion and delays.
The fruits of their labour were not preserved in case they were needed in the future, they were destroyed for ever.
The prime example of this being the Great Central. A continental loading guage, high speed route from London to the Midlands and the North, closed by Beeching as superfluous to requirements and now we propose HS2!!

Posted by: On the edge Apr 22 2014, 10:53 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 22 2014, 08:38 AM) *
As did the canals before them.
One of the worst things about it all is that so much of their sacrifices and endeavors were unrespected and destroyed by closing many routes that would now be priceless in alleviating congestion and delays.
The fruits of their labour were not preserved in case they were needed in the future, they were destroyed for ever.
The prime example of this being the Great Central. A continental loading guage, high speed route from London to the Midlands and the North, closed by Beeching as superfluous to requirements and now we propose HS2!!


Quite agree, didn't they actually start digging the channel tunnel as part of Watkins s 'Great Central' vision?

Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 22 2014, 12:03 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 22 2014, 08:38 AM) *
As did the canals before them.
One of the worst things about it all is that so much of their sacrifices and endeavors were unrespected and destroyed by closing many routes that would now be priceless in alleviating congestion and delays.
The fruits of their labour were not preserved in case they were needed in the future, they were destroyed for ever.
The prime example of this being the Great Central. A continental loading guage, high speed route from London to the Midlands and the North, closed by Beeching as superfluous to requirements and now we propose HS2!!

This is a problem when you have short term goals to achieve, that and getting a glorified bean counter in to manage the changes.

Posted by: Claude Apr 23 2014, 02:16 PM

Random question but does anyone know a decent local rural location where I could get a photograph of a car and a train in the same shot?

Posted by: NWNREADER Apr 23 2014, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Claude @ Apr 23 2014, 03:16 PM) *
Random question but does anyone know a decent local rural location where I could get a photograph of a car and a train in the same shot?

Most Level Crossings, according to the Daily Wail.....

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 24 2014, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (Claude @ Apr 23 2014, 03:16 PM) *
Random question but does anyone know a decent local rural location where I could get a photograph of a car and a train in the same shot?

A good spot is Crofton, just past the Pumping Station the road crosses the railway and then runs alongside it as it drops towards the Canal.

Posted by: Claude Apr 24 2014, 10:00 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 24 2014, 09:21 AM) *
A good spot is Crofton, just past the Pumping Station the road crosses the railway and then runs alongside it as it drops towards the Canal.

Google maps tells me this is a superb location, thanks!

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 19 2014, 06:09 PM

Steam at Newbury on Monday 25th Aug.
http://www.a1steam.com/ - arrives at 08:50, picks up and takes water. Back at around 19:30

Posted by: Turin Machine Aug 19 2014, 10:43 PM

Ta.

Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 19 2014, 11:04 PM

It's a pity they have to take on water at the racecourse. It'd be nice to see the trains run straight through once and a while.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 20 2014, 06:36 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 20 2014, 12:04 AM) *
It's a pity they have to take on water at the racecourse. It'd be nice to see the trains run straight through once and a while.

Yes, this one will take water at Newbury Station as it picks up passengers.

Posted by: JeffG Oct 30 2014, 12:07 PM

Although going tomorrow (Friday) trains are as normal, coming back from a trip up north by train on Saturday, there is a replacement bus service from Reading to Newbury. Does anyone know the reason for this?

I have also seen signs that the Boundary Road bridge is closed. Are the two things connected?

Posted by: Biker1 Oct 30 2014, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 30 2014, 02:07 PM) *
Although going tomorrow (Friday) trains are as normal, coming back from a trip up north by train on Saturday, there is a replacement bus service from Reading to Newbury. Does anyone know the reason for this?

Yes, the line has to be closed for maintenance / upgrade work.
QUOTE (JeffG @ Oct 30 2014, 02:07 PM) *
I have also seen signs that the Boundary Road bridge is closed. Are the two things connected?

Don't know, but I will try and find out.
I know the bridge has to be replaced for electrification

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 1 2014, 05:10 PM

Boundary Road, Newbury will be closed from its junction with Kings Road to its junction with Railway Road from 27 October 2014 for up to 5 days.
The alternative route for all vehicles affected by the Order is via Kings Road, A339 and Queens Road in one direction and York Road, Queens Road, A339 and Mill Lane in another direction.
The purpose of this order is to enable works to be executed on the road, namely an investigative trial hole prior to bridge maintenance for Network Rail. (See below.)

Enquiries to Ken Buchanan of Bam Nuttall on 079 178 99132

Boundary Road Overbridge (No. BHL 5255)

Boundary Road Overbridge will be demolished and reconstructed to provide the necessary clearance between the bridge and the OLE. This would require a temporary closure of the road to both pedestrians and vehicle users.
The closest footpath crossing for pedestrians is via a public footpath through Newbury Racecourse and over a road bridge to the racecourse approximately 230m east of Boundary Road. This would entail a temporary diversion of 1.0
km for pedestrians for the duration of the construction works (12 weeks).


PS. OLE is not a colloquial term for the hole in question. It is an abbreviation for Overhead Line Equipment. tongue.gif

Posted by: On the edge Nov 1 2014, 08:35 PM

Well. Every cloud and all that; at least it's nice to know electrification is on it's way!

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2014, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 1 2014, 08:35 PM) *
Well. Every cloud and all that; at least it's nice to know electrification is on it's way!

I wonder if that might mean the end to seeming endless addresses of signal failure and missing connections. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JeffG Nov 2 2014, 11:38 AM

A quick update on my experience of the replacement bus service from Reading to Newbury on Saturday when returning from Glasgow. Far superior to the train journey it replaced IMO - luxury coach with actual legroom direct to Newbury down the M4.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 2 2014, 02:37 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 2 2014, 11:38 AM) *
A quick update on my experience of the replacement bus service from Reading to Newbury on Saturday when returning from Glasgow. Far superior to the train journey it replaced IMO - luxury coach with actual legroom direct to Newbury down the M4.


That's just the point JeffG, you've seen the future! When the electrification is finished, there will be new trains far superior to anything we have now.

Unless it has total contempt for its paying customers, no business would deliver any less - after all, the hideously expensive changes are being done to dramatically improve the customer experience.

Wait and see, it will be worth every penny...

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 2 2014, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 2 2014, 02:37 PM) *
Wait and see, it will be worth every penny...

I'd rather have reliability above anything else; nice seats... so what. Meanwhile: Reading Station; what a s.hole of a station that is. A massive waste of money.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 2 2014, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 2 2014, 06:59 PM) *
Meanwhile: Reading Station; what a s.hole of a station that is. A massive waste of money.

What, you preferred the old?? blink.gif

Posted by: Mr Brown Nov 2 2014, 06:41 PM

They should be delivering both. The funny little trains between Newbury and Reading are just about bearable; I use them daily for work. I recently did a couple of weeks in London and the commute is very uncomfortable, particularly if you are blessed with such things as legs. If anyone thinks this seating arrangement is acceptable, then yes, the railway will have wasted the investment.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 2 2014, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Nov 2 2014, 08:41 PM) *
They should be delivering both. The funny little trains between Newbury and Reading are just about bearable; I use them daily for work. I recently did a couple of weeks in London and the commute is very uncomfortable, particularly if you are blessed with such things as legs. If anyone thinks this seating arrangement is acceptable, then yes, the railway will have wasted the investment.

Like I have said before, you are lucky living in the South East with the trains you have got!
If you lived further west you would have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_143! (affectionately known as "Nodding Donkeys"). Basically an 80's bus on rails!

Posted by: Mr Brown Nov 2 2014, 08:18 PM

I'm quite surprised. After all would willingly travel to work in a 1980s car unless it was absolutely necessary? There has been a huge investment for quite a few years now but there seems to be very little to show for it. As already mentioned, Reading Station is a good example, it clearly wasn't designed with passenger convenience in mind.

Posted by: JeffG Nov 2 2014, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 2 2014, 06:40 PM) *
What, you preferred the old?? blink.gif

Yes me too. All this platform 23B stuff or whatever is totally confusing. At least I knew my way around and where platforms 4 and 5 were (main down and up). The new station is like a foreign land. When we had to change at Reading for the replacement bus I would never have guessed it was out of the back door, rather than the front. Fortunately the person I was with had done it before.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 2 2014, 11:29 PM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Nov 2 2014, 08:18 PM) *
I'm quite surprised. After all would willingly travel to work in a 1980s car unless it was absolutely necessary? There has been a huge investment for quite a few years now but there seems to be very little to show for it. As already mentioned, Reading Station is a good example, it clearly wasn't designed with passenger convenience in mind.

That's right, it is a toilet of a station. You have to know your train route (platform) and be able bodied, otherwise you are screwed. And why don't they display the route the train is going to take on the internal ticker-tape displays? Instead it's just: 'Welcome to First Great Western'. I couldn't give a stuff who the service provider is, but I would dearly love an indication I am on the right train (that I have had to run from platform 14a to catch)! angry.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 3 2014, 07:42 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 3 2014, 01:29 AM) *
You have to know your train route (platform) and be able bodied, otherwise you are screwed.

https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Your-journey/Assisted-travel
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 3 2014, 01:29 AM) *
And why don't they display the route the train is going to take on the internal ticker-tape displays? Instead it's just: 'Welcome to First Great Western'. angry.gif

Come on Andy, the displays in the "Turbo" trains show and announce the destinations and calling points of the train.
As for Reading station you can't please all the people all the time.
The platform numbering into A/B etc. is so that more trains can use 1 platform.
How would you folks have had it? With increasing numbers of passengers and trains Reading station was creaking at the seams. It had to be made much bigger, yes?

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 3 2014, 07:57 AM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Nov 2 2014, 10:18 PM) *
I'm quite surprised. After all would willingly travel to work in a 1980s car unless it was absolutely necessary?

An unjust and inaccurate comparison. Trains last a lot longer than cars. Would you suggest the cost of replacing trains as often as most replace their cars?

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Nov 2 2014, 10:18 PM) *
There has been a huge investment for quite a few years now but there seems to be very little to show for it.

There is plenty to show for it in many parts of the country. Unfortunately, in the part of the country you are in, there is not so much visible to the layman as of yet but it is all going on in the background ready for electrification and new trains.
For example, the closures at weekends at present are to replace and improve the signalling along this line in readiness.
At Newbury, for example, you will see a new massive gantry at the end of platform 1 and a new signal at the other end.

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Nov 2 2014, 10:18 PM) *
As already mentioned, Reading Station is a good example, it clearly wasn't designed with passenger convenience in mind.

Well of course it was! rolleyes.gif
There was a full public consultation and exhibition (did you go to those? unsure.gif ) and the input from them was used in the final design.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 3 2014, 09:40 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 3 2014, 07:42 AM) *
https://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Your-journey/Assisted-travel

I learned from recent bitter experience that it cannot be trusted and not handy when you are on a journey and have to change your plans (with the inevitable delays due to 'signal failure').

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 3 2014, 07:42 AM) *
Come on Andy, the displays in the "Turbo" trains show and announce the destinations and calling points of the train.

They are often not running. Especially before the train starts its journey.

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 3 2014, 07:42 AM) *
As for Reading station you can't please all the people all the time.
The platform numbering into A/B etc. is so that more trains can use 1 platform.
How would you folks have had it? With increasing numbers of passengers and trains Reading station was creaking at the seams. It had to be made much bigger, yes?

More carriages.

I think Reading station is rubbish for occasional users. Like I said, you have to be fit to use Reading station and to have done your homework.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 3 2014, 10:21 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 3 2014, 07:57 AM) *
An unjust and inaccurate comparison. Trains last a lot longer than cars. Would you suggest the cost of replacing trains as often as most replace their cars?


There is plenty to show for it in many parts of the country. Unfortunately, in the part of the country you are in, there is not so much visible to the layman as of yet but it is all going on in the background ready for electrification and new trains.
For example, the closures at weekends at present are to replace and improve the signalling along this line in readiness.
At Newbury, for example, you will see a new massive gantry at the end of platform 1 and a new signal at the other end.


Well of course it was! rolleyes.gif
There was a full public consultation and exhibition (did you go to those? unsure.gif ) and the input from them was used in the final design.


Well Biker1, spoken like a real unreconstructed railwayman! I certainly think it would have been wise for the railways to have employed some senior mangers with at least a little inkling of what passengers really want. They really aren't interested in making the train set nice and shiny, just want it to work properly and effectively every day. Its not an airline and never will be, the best analogy is a lift. Tell us what's going to be delivered at the end of this investment!

I sincerely hope those who honestly thought the 'bus based' design was acceptable have nothing to do with it. You are right though, the car analogy is wrong. If anyone had brought a car like that in the 1980s it would have been returned under warranty tongue.gif ! If it really was bus technology, do you know anywhere there are 30 year old buses still in heavy revenue earning service?

Still, it's good to know nothing changes! laugh.gif

Posted by: JeffG Nov 3 2014, 11:39 AM

What we really need are more trains like this:



(I have travelled on a Micheline - albeit a slightly more modern version than this!)

Posted by: Mr Brown Nov 3 2014, 12:54 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 3 2014, 07:57 AM) *
An unjust and inaccurate comparison. Trains last a lot longer than cars. Would you suggest the cost of replacing trains as often as most replace their cars?


There is plenty to show for it in many parts of the country. Unfortunately, in the part of the country you are in, there is not so much visible to the layman as of yet but it is all going on in the background ready for electrification and new trains.
For example, the closures at weekends at present are to replace and improve the signalling along this line in readiness.
At Newbury, for example, you will see a new massive gantry at the end of platform 1 and a new signal at the other end.


Well of course it was! rolleyes.gif
There was a full public consultation and exhibition (did you go to those? unsure.gif ) and the input from them was used in the final design.


Yes, I'd certainly expect to replace or upgrade the equipment that sits at the very heart of the customer experience pretty frequently. Especially if it had been poorly laid out and gave rise to criticism. That's basic business sense.

I'd agree that most of the investment has been into infrastructure and not much is visible. Nevertheless, this has been going on for many years now and there is still very little, if any improvement in the passenger environment. Yet a few minor and cosmetic changes would make all the difference. Failing to do that is certainly not helping public perception!

I wasn't in the district when the consultation took place, no excuse I know. Nonetheless, I would have expected what is essentially a retail organisation to know what it's customers want. A colleague from Reading did go to some event, which she felt was more a PR session; probably wrong event; but you know what customers are like laugh.gif

Posted by: MontyPython Nov 3 2014, 10:34 PM

I have travelled to the New Reading station on a few occasions now and think it excellent - of course others are entitled to have a different opinion.

I am not sure what the new rolling stock will be like and fear the worst. The Thameslink stock we were supposed to get was very cramped seating and having travelled by Southern trains when visiting my parents at the weekend the seats were hard and uncomfortable. They have also assumed that passengers cries for more seats will mean they are willing to sacrifice their legs!

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 3 2014, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (MontyPython @ Nov 3 2014, 10:34 PM) *
I have travelled to the New Reading station on a few occasions now and think it excellent - of course others are entitled to have a different opinion.

Why do you think it is excellent? And where were you going? ...if you don't mind me asking! tongue.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 4 2014, 08:36 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 3 2014, 12:21 PM) *
Well Biker1, spoken like a real unreconstructed railwayman! I certainly think it would have been wise for the railways to have employed some senior mangers with at least a little inkling of what passengers really want. They really aren't interested in making the train set nice and shiny, just want it to work properly and effectively every day. Its not an airline and never will be, the best analogy is a lift. Tell us what's going to be delivered at the end of this investment!

I sincerely hope those who honestly thought the 'bus based' design was acceptable have nothing to do with it. You are right though, the car analogy is wrong. If anyone had brought a car like that in the 1980s it would have been returned under warranty tongue.gif ! If it really was bus technology, do you know anywhere there are 30 year old buses still in heavy revenue earning service?

Still, it's good to know nothing changes! laugh.gif

You are quite right the "Pacers" as they are known are dreadful and should never have been built. They were introduced in the more austerity times of British Rail under the auspices of the railway hating Thatcher.
They should have been scrapped years ago but the government dictates that money is not available for their replacement and they must soldier on for many years.
I was just drawing attention to them to highlight the fact that those who complain of the turbos (which are currently undergoing yet another refurbishment!) things could be worse! sad.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 4 2014, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 4 2014, 08:36 AM) *
You are quite right the "Pacers" as they are known are dreadful and should never have been built. They were introduced in the more austerity times of British Rail under the auspices of the railway hating Thatcher.

I'll defer to you on matters relating to rail, but reading a sample of forums on BR in the 80s, it seems the Thatcher government weren't as 'anti' train as one might imagine and some comment that it was in a better condition at the end of the 80s than at the beginning. It would seem that the modernisation of the rail network started in the 80s.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 4 2014, 10:16 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 4 2014, 11:01 AM) *
I'll defer to you on matters relating to rail, but reading a sample of forums on BR in the 80s, it seems the Thatcher government weren't as 'anti' train as one might imagine and some comment that it was in a better condition at the end of the 80s than at the beginning. It would seem that the modernisation of the rail network started in the 80s.

Yes you are right in most of what you say.
I didn't say that the Thatcher government were anti-rail, I said Thatcher was anti-rail.
She persuaded her Transport minister to commission the Serpell Report which was classified amongst railway circles as a "second Beeching" and would, if implemented at it's most severe, would have reduced the railway network to a skeleton of major routes.
Newbury, for example, would have been a one platform terminus of a branch from Reading.
Before it could be implemented a general election came along and, at the advice of her government wishing to be re-elected, Thatcher dropped the plan and thankfully it was never implemented and, as you rightly say, spurned a new age of redevelopment and investment in the railways.
I would say that the modernisation of the railways began in the 60's with the rapid elimination of steam power albeit with too much haste and with many errors of judgement.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 4 2014, 12:49 PM

My gut feeling is Thatcher was more anti-union than rail, but judging people by actions rather than words, it seems she was prepared to listen to argument - until she seemed to go round the twist that is.


My biggest grudge with the rail system we have is that it is not user friendly enough (notwithstanding cost). I'm not the thickest bloke in the world, nor the most timid, but I find myself running for trains more than I think I should be and often find myself worried that I am actually on the right train more than I think I should. The ticket machines should be given a user interface upgrade too.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 4 2014, 01:34 PM

Yes, it used to be called 'customer shoes'. A very good maxim for all, put yourself in the customers shoes and don't assume they know your business. Why should they; you don't know theirs.

Certainly, this rule had been disregarded for years hence the lack of leg room, ineffective customer information, lack of consideration scheduling platforms, etc. etc.
All quite simple to correct, often at little or no cost.

To be fair, this malaise isn't just restricted to railways, it's simply more apparent there because the cost of infrastructure renewal seems to be endless. So a bog standard commuter sees the fares rise year on year well over the rate of inflation, yet they get no pay rise to compensate! Plus the actual service deteriorates as the old trains get older and more delays and cancellations occur because of maintenance overruns, or system damage.

One of her apologists suggests Margaret Thatchers dislike of railways arose from her time commuting between her then Kent home into London and back during the 1950's. She apparently suffered much the same, over crowded trains, delays, cancellations and high fares. So, even since she left, for all that money since invested, as far as the core aim is concerned, the railway hasn't moved an inch!

Posted by: MontyPython Nov 4 2014, 06:58 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 3 2014, 11:50 PM) *
Why do you think it is excellent? And where were you going? ...if you don't mind me asking! tongue.gif



Nice Wide platforms and overbridge. Modern but i Thought stylish design. The train display was adequate for my needs. My journeys were either to/from Reading or interconnecting with journeys to from London Slough (someone has to go there) and Maidenhead.

Posted by: MontyPython Nov 4 2014, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 4 2014, 09:01 AM) *
I'll defer to you on matters relating to rail, but reading a sample of forums on BR in the 80s, it seems the Thatcher government weren't as 'anti' train as one might imagine and some comment that it was in a better condition at the end of the 80s than at the beginning. It would seem that the modernisation of the rail network started in the 80s.


Thatcher was anti-rail, Porta-loo wasn't. The real turn-round in the 80's was Network SouthEast and Chris Green. His focus on informing customers and improving the environment (station and trains) really started the increase in passengers and investment. And whilst it wasn't brilliant after the transformation it was streets ahead of where it had been!

Posted by: JeffG Nov 4 2014, 07:10 PM

QUOTE (MontyPython @ Nov 4 2014, 07:03 PM) *
Thatcher was anti-rail, Porta-loo wasn't.

If you mean Michael Portillo, then obviously not, judging by all the rail travel programmes he does.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 4 2014, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (MontyPython @ Nov 4 2014, 06:58 PM) *
Nice Wide platforms and overbridge. Modern but i Thought stylish design. The train display was adequate for my needs. My journeys were either to/from Reading or interconnecting with journeys to from London Slough (someone has to go there) and Maidenhead.

Similar to mine then.

Style is purely a matter of taste and to me it looked out of date before it was built (looks like a budget 70s si-fi set).

I notice no difference in the platform width, although the concourse is expansive, but that is where it comes unstuck for me. It seems to catch the Maidenhead trains you have to go from P1 to P14, which is a bit of a trek - especially as often the Newbury train is stalled as it approaches Reading, therefore occasionally missing the connection.

I find the main display(s) are inadequate and I end up having to browse each platform display before I can find the platform I want.

It is also infuriating having to go round to the Southern Entrance to get to platform 1/2/3/7 when all the other platforms have direct access from the concourse. It seems to me that the concourse is a lot higher than the subways were deep, when one went under the track as opposed to over (but that is probably just me).

Posted by: On the edge Nov 4 2014, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (MontyPython @ Nov 4 2014, 07:03 PM) *
Thatcher was anti-rail, Porta-loo wasn't. The real turn-round in the 80's was Network SouthEast and Chris Green. His focus on informing customers and improving the environment (station and trains) really started the increase in passengers and investment. And whilst it wasn't brilliant after the transformation it was streets ahead of where it had been!

Umm, I'm clearly getting to old and am cursed with a memory. There was time when trains had comfortable seats with reasonable leg room....indeed, even those turbo trains when first introduced, had air conditioning units. So what passenger transformation is this? I've clearly missed something. As for customer information, until recent times FGW couldn't even be bothered to tell you what platform your train might arrive at in Newbury! OK if you happen to be a nice fit railman but a nightmare if you were a disabled OAP.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 4 2014, 11:22 PM

I have no issue with comfort, but I do have issue with getting a seat sometimes and knowing that I am on the right train. Then there's the endless apologies about signal failure.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 5 2014, 07:33 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 4 2014, 11:15 PM) *
Umm, I'm clearly getting to old and am cursed with a memory. There was time when trains had comfortable seats with reasonable leg room....indeed, even those turbo trains when first introduced, had air conditioning units. So what passenger transformation is this? I've clearly missed something. As for customer information, until recent times FGW couldn't even be bothered to tell you what platform your train might arrive at in Newbury! OK if you happen to be a nice fit railman but a nightmare if you were a disabled OAP.

I agree OTE.
There was a time when trains were comfortable with large windows and plenty of room.
OK so they were heated by steam and were less safe but passenger comfort was taken into consideration.
These days trains are more like aeroplanes with poor legroom, smaller windows and many seats that do not line up with them so you have a view of a plastic pillar!
It's all about cramming more bums on shorter trains
The new "bi-modal" IEP trains for the Great Western will be an even further step back from the HST's with, again, airline style seating and, when not under the wires, a diesel engine throbbing away beneath you!
With regard to the Turbos, they have many seats which face each other which is not too bad but most people these days think it is OK to put their feet on them with this arrangement. Also the air con has NEVER worked on them and was only fitted to the 166 variation.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 5 2014, 07:35 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 4 2014, 11:22 PM) *
I have no issue with comfort, but I do have issue with getting a seat sometimes and knowing that I am on the right train. Then there's the endless apologies about signal failure.

I don't think I'm demanding comfort either, lack of leg room for average humans is simply incompetent design, failing to correct that year on year is incompetent management. Ironically, previous posts mention the 'bad old days'; but back in these 'bad old days' the railway workshops had calculated and acceptable standards for seating.

Posted by: Ron Nov 5 2014, 10:21 AM

[quote name='Biker1' date='Nov 5 2014, 07:33 AM' post='99209']
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These days trains are more like aeroplanes with poor legroom, smaller windows and many seats that do not line up with them so you have a view of a plastic pillar!

I've yet to see standing passengers on aeroplanes in the western world or, for that matter, on the express coaches travelling on the motorways.

Posted by: JeffG Nov 5 2014, 10:30 AM

QUOTE (Ron @ Nov 5 2014, 10:21 AM) *
I've yet to see standing passengers on aeroplanes in the western world or, for that matter, on the express coaches travelling on the motorways.

True, but I imagine there might be a bit of a fuss if they didn't allow anyone else to get on a train once the seats were full.

Posted by: Mr Brown Nov 5 2014, 11:12 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 5 2014, 10:30 AM) *
True, but I imagine there might be a bit of a fuss if they didn't allow anyone else to get on a train once the seats were full.


Quite right, then the cost of a few extra coaches would be insignificant against the overall refurbishment price. There was also talk sometime back about reducing the number of first class seats; I haven't seen any evidence of that yet, but it would help.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 6 2014, 07:48 AM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Nov 5 2014, 01:12 PM) *
Quite right, then the cost of a few extra coaches would be insignificant against the overall refurbishment price. There was also talk sometime back about reducing the number of first class seats; I haven't seen any evidence of that yet, but it would help.

This is in progress.
All the HST sets will eventually be running with 1 additional standard coach and 1 less first.
Many of the HST's are now running with 6 standard, 1 buffet / 1st and 1 first. This has added a complete additional standard coach. All will be completed by the middle of next year.
The conversion is being done by a couple of coaches at a time hence the time taken.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 6 2014, 08:23 AM

At my peril I would like to make some comments on reports of the Ufton crash of which is the 10th anniversary today.
This was a terrible event and I have thoughts and sympathy for all involved and affected.
However I would challenge the NWN report that this was "one the worst rail disaster’s in the country". Passenger death statistics of past rail accidents unfortunately prove otherwise.
The BBC report "one of the worst of the last 20 years" is more accurate.
Also I would like to point out that the UK rail is now the safest rail system in Europe by passenger casualty statistics.
I will say no more on this sensitive subject. I am just trying to keep things in perspective.

Posted by: JeffG Nov 6 2014, 10:17 AM

That report is also worthy of an entry in the "NWN and the English language" thread.

Posted by: Biker1 Dec 13 2014, 11:33 PM

Couple of Black 5's double headed on Tuesday through Newbury.
Booked at around 12:50 after taking water at Racecourse.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS_Stanier_Class_5_4-6-0)

Posted by: Biker1 Jan 26 2015, 10:19 AM

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2015/commuters-to-benefit-from-3000-extra-seats was announced around the middle of last year.
Why report it now?
See posts above.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 3 2015, 08:11 PM

Steam on Saturday at Newbury.
SR Light Pacific "Battle of Britain" Class No 34067 Tangmere
11:06 - 11:17 water at Newbury Racecourse.

Posted by: blackdog Mar 3 2015, 09:55 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 3 2015, 08:11 PM) *
Steam on Saturday at Newbury.
SR Light Pacific "Battle of Britain" Class No 34067 Tangmere
11:06 - 11:17 water at Newbury Racecourse.

Heading east or west?

Posted by: NWNREADER Mar 3 2015, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 3 2015, 10:55 PM) *
Heading east or west?


Yes

Posted by: On the edge Mar 3 2015, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 3 2015, 08:11 PM) *
Steam on Saturday at Newbury.
SR Light Pacific "Battle of Britain" Class No 34067 Tangmere
11:06 - 11:17 water at Newbury Racecourse.


Finest steam engines ever built in UK.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 4 2015, 09:11 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 3 2015, 11:55 PM) *
Heading east or west?

Sorry, West.
Will pass through Newbury station shortly afterwards.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 4 2015, 09:16 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Mar 4 2015, 12:32 AM) *
Finest steam engines locomotives ever built in UK.

wink.gif

Posted by: On the edge Mar 4 2015, 10:18 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 4 2015, 09:16 PM) *
wink.gif

I'll give you that, specially as you didn't strike through 'finest'.

I know it's diverting the thread, but how about another go at building a Leader class? Modern materials might just do it!

Posted by: Exhausted Mar 12 2015, 08:17 PM

Looks like the new/replacement 125's are landed from Japan. These are the ones we will see on the western route through Newbury. Diesel and Electric

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31831603
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Posted by: On the edge Mar 12 2015, 09:03 PM

Reflections from another thread. It really isn't worth sending our kids to university is it?

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