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Biker1
post May 30 2017, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 29 2017, 02:26 PM) *
It's a myth that education and health are suffering due to immigration.

No it isn't.
How can having a burgeoning population of 250,000 a year (that we know of) NOT have an effect on public services if they are not expanded at a rate that will compensate? Which is almost physically and financially impossible.
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post May 30 2017, 08:06 AM
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The language barrier is another problem, but immigration creates tax revenue which helps support services. However, whether recent governments have invested that revenue sufficiently is another matter. Equally, whether we would be better-off without high levels of immigration is also questionable.
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post May 30 2017, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 30 2017, 08:10 AM) *
No it isn't.
How can having a burgeoning population of 250,000 a year (that we know of) NOT have an effect on public services if they are not expanded at a rate that will compensate? Which is almost physically and financially impossible.

The vast majority of whom are paying tax that doesn't get invested in the NHS. The problem is under investment.
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post May 30 2017, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 30 2017, 12:12 PM) *
The vast majority of whom are paying tax that doesn't get invested in the NHS. The problem is under investment.

I think it is a case of the government wanting the cake and eating it.
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post May 30 2017, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 30 2017, 12:12 PM) *
The vast majority of whom are paying tax that doesn't get invested in the NHS. The problem is under investment.

Oh I see.
So it is simply a matter of funding the NHS with as much cash as it needs (currently £120Bn a year (that's £120,000 million! although it could swallow an infinite amount) which you obviously think isn't enough) so it can grow sufficiently in order to accommodate the huge ongoing increase in population?
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post May 30 2017, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 30 2017, 01:13 PM) *
Oh I see.
So it is simply a matter of funding the NHS with as much cash as it needs (currently £120Bn a year (that's £120,000 million! although it could swallow an infinite amount) which you obviously think isn't enough) so it can grow sufficiently in order to accommodate the huge ongoing increase in population?

That's a different argument.

The majority of immigrants are young so actually put less strain on the NHS. Without immigrants the NHS would collapse. Immigration is a tax gain for the UK.

Now how given that information how are the problems in the NHS caused by immigrants? Is it in the same way that immigrants have slowed down the M4? wink.gif
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post May 30 2017, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 30 2017, 01:13 PM) *
Oh I see.
So it is simply a matter of funding the NHS with as much cash as it needs (currently £120Bn a year (that's £120,000 million! although it could swallow an infinite amount) which you obviously think isn't enough) so it can grow sufficiently in order to accommodate the huge ongoing increase in population?


Its Ok. We are getting #CorbynCare
Everything is free and no one has to work.
I guess the Pound crashing if he got elected would be currency fluctuations and nothing to do with him not having a money tree.
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post May 30 2017, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 30 2017, 07:11 PM) *
Its Ok. We are getting #CorbynCare
Everything is free and no one has to work.
I guess the Pound crashing if he got elected would be currency fluctuations and nothing to do with him not having a money tree.

i guess the pound crashing after Brexit was ok because the sky didn't fall in and there weren't plagues of locusts as well. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post May 30 2017, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 30 2017, 07:22 PM) *
i guess the pound crashing after Brexit was ok because the sky didn't fall in and there weren't plagues of locusts as well. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


The IMF will declare us Greece 2... The sequel.
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post May 30 2017, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 30 2017, 09:05 PM) *
The IMF will declare us Greece 2... The sequel.

Oh Sandy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMblmkcdJEw
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post May 30 2017, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 30 2017, 09:12 PM) *


OJN in her prime...luvly jubbly.😀
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post May 30 2017, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 30 2017, 09:20 PM) *
OJN in her prime...luvly jubbly.😀

A Tuesday treat!
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post May 30 2017, 08:41 PM
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Does Simon know that JC has an allotment? I didn't know until The One Show clip.
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post May 30 2017, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 30 2017, 09:41 PM) *
Does Simon know that JC has an allotment? I didn't know until The One Show clip.

Yes, I knew. It's one of the many things that endeared him to me when he was running for the Labour Party leadership.


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post May 30 2017, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 30 2017, 09:33 PM) *
A Tuesday treat!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40100915

😞😞
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post May 31 2017, 05:53 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 30 2017, 07:22 PM) *
i guess the pound crashing after Brexit was ok because the sky didn't fall in and there weren't plagues of locusts as well. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


Even the idea he might win has seen pound crash this morning. Zimbabwe here we come
😂
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post May 31 2017, 06:07 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 31 2017, 06:53 AM) *
Even the idea he might win has seen pound crash this morning. Zimbabwe here we come
😂

No, you're getting it wrong again. It crashed after Brexit. It might flutter still, but the crash already happened. I actually think the pound may recover because people will see we will remain in the single market - uncertainty about which was the reason for the crash. JC is clear that we will remain in the single market.
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post May 31 2017, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 30 2017, 09:58 PM) *
Yes, I knew. It's one of the many things that endeared him to me when he was running for the Labour Party leadership.

I'm beginning to think I was wrong about him. I did like a few things about him before, but I thought he was too extreme. I like to think I'm too smart to be manipulated by the media, but clearly I was wrong.
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post May 31 2017, 06:23 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 31 2017, 07:07 AM) *
No, you're getting it wrong again. It crashed after Brexit. It might flutter still, but the crash already happened. I actually think the pound may recover because people will see we will remain in the single market - uncertainty about which was the reason for the crash. JC is clear that we will remain in the single market.


😂 Even the idea of him winning made the pound "fluctuate". Just waiting for the land grab policy.
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post May 31 2017, 06:41 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 31 2017, 06:53 AM) *
Even the idea he might win has seen pound crash this morning. Zimbabwe here we come
😂


Aah, so you'd rather us on the same road as Greece?


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