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blackdog
post Oct 30 2011, 11:01 AM
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It's time that WBC came out and told the the people who pay their salaries (the taxpayers) the details of this deal.

1. Is it true that SLI will get 50% of WBC parking income above £300k from most of the WBC car parks?

2. If so, how long will local taxpayers be subsidising Parkway?

3. What is the anticipated annual cost to the taxpayer of this deal?

It will all come out next time the WBC accounts are published, what is the point in hiding it now?

A final question - is there any way that the elecorate of West Berkshire can trigger a council election before 2015 and give us a chance to vote this lot out of office?
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post Oct 30 2011, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Oct 30 2011, 11:01 AM) *
It's time that WBC came out and told the the people who pay their salaries (the taxpayers) the details of this deal.

1. Is it true that SLI will get 50% of WBC parking income above £300k from most of the WBC car parks?

2. If so, how long will local taxpayers be subsidising Parkway?

3. What is the anticipated annual cost to the taxpayer of this deal?

It will all come out next time the WBC accounts are published, what is the point in hiding it now?

A final question - is there any way that the elecorate of West Berkshire can trigger a council election before 2015 and give us a chance to vote this lot out of office?


How about setting up a protest camp?

Just imagine the headlines "Parkway Protest Camp opens before most of the shops". rolleyes.gif


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Andy Capp
post Oct 30 2011, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Oct 30 2011, 02:32 PM) *
How about setting up a protest camp?

Just imagine the headlines "Parkway Protest Camp opens before most of the shops". rolleyes.gif

They'd need to be mindful of the stampeded of women that have been told that there is a shopping centre open. Well, it is not finished, but it has been opened. It still looks like a building site.
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post Oct 30 2011, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 30 2011, 02:36 PM) *
They'd need to be mindful of the stampeded of women that have been told that there is a shopping centre open. Well, it is not finished, but it has been opened. It still looks like a building site.


Sister in law visited today. Went off down to have a look paid for two hours parking and come away after half an hour with one and a half hours of parking ticket left???? She expalined it kept saying on the advertising hoardings covering, the majority, of empty shops, "Newbury is back in fashion" but it failed to explain where this was??? rolleyes.gif


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post Oct 31 2011, 11:49 AM
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Well admin? You've had most of Thursday, all of Friday, (all day Sat and Sun for a few 'off the record' phone calls), it's now Monday lunchtime (almost) Got anything for us?

As mentioned earlier in the thread, how long does it take to answer the question " is it likely that monies taken from Car Parks not maintained, owned, operated or run by SLI could, under certain conditions, make it's way back to SLI's coffers? and that this was agreed by WBC"? We don't need to know the amounts, that's for later. It's a yes / no answer at this stage.

Or can we go back to discussing this now, since we wouldn't want Newburytoday to be seen as an arm of the Council would we?
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post Oct 31 2011, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE (Squelchy @ Oct 31 2011, 11:49 AM) *
Well admin? You've had most of Thursday, all of Friday, (all day Sat and Sun for a few 'off the record' phone calls), it's now Monday lunchtime (almost) Got anything for us?

As mentioned earlier in the thread, how long does it take to answer the question " is it likely that monies taken from Car Parks not maintained, owned, operated or run by SLI could, under certain conditions, make it's way back to SLI's coffers? and that this was agreed by WBC"? We don't need to know the amounts, that's for later. It's a yes / no answer at this stage.

Or can we go back to discussing this now, since we wouldn't want Newburytoday to be seen as an arm of the Council would we?


Sorry, we have been waiting for some figures which are as yet not forthcoming from WBC, but the deal between SLI and WBC which states that proceeds over a certain amount (based on parking income from ticket sales from town centre car parks not including Kennet Centre in 2007/8) is in place and has been confirmed to us by WBC. We will keep you updated as soon as we get the monetary value of the agreement which we have asked for several times.

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post Oct 31 2011, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (admin @ Oct 31 2011, 11:59 AM) *
Sorry, we have been waiting for some figures which are as yet not forthcoming from WBC, but the deal between SLI and WBC which states that proceeds over a certain amount (based on parking income from ticket sales from town centre car parks not including Kennet Centre in 2007/8) is in place and has been confirmed to us by WBC. We will keep you updated as soon as we get the monetary value of the agreement which we have asked for several times.


Well it's confirmed then. West Berkshire Council are giving away money to SLI. Let's say it's £850,000 a year, that's £850,000 worth of additional cuts in next years budget that will now need to be found. Whatever they give away, the amount will be too much. That money should be going towards fixing potholes or road safety schemes etc. NOT LINING THE POCKETS OF SLI.
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post Oct 31 2011, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 31 2011, 02:11 PM) *
Well it's confirmed then. West Berkshire Council are giving away money to SLI. Let's say it's £850,000 a year, that's £850,000 worth of additional cuts in next years budget that will now need to be found. Whatever they give away, the amount will be too much. That money should be going towards fixing potholes or road safety schemes etc. NOT LINING THE POCKETS OF SLI.

How did you arrive at £850,000.00? You should be careful before you start banding figures about.
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post Oct 31 2011, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 31 2011, 02:43 PM) *
How did you arrive at £850,000.00? You should be careful before you start banding figures about.

£850,000 is approximately 50% of WBC car parking revenue over £300k.

However, it is too high as it includes parks that are not in the SLI deal - certainly the Kennet Centre park and probably parking fines and parks in places like Hungerford and Pangbourne. I suspect the true figure will be more like £500k passing from WBC to SLI (perhaps lower if the WBC parks lose customers to Parkway). It could be lower still if WBC go ahead with their plans to redevelop several of their car parks. On the other hand I assume that WBC will get from SLI half the revenue from the Parkway car park - whatever that might be (£300k perhaps). Either way I doubt it will result in a nett win for WBC - whereas the deal they were happy for us to believe was in place (it has been mentioned often enough without them correcting our delusion) was that SLI would pay WBC £300k a year from the Parkway car park takings (in essence compensating WBC and, ultimately, we taxpayers for the ludicrously low price of £1 they paid for a large portion of the land under Parkway).

So we will not be getting £300k a year from SLI as anticipated, rather we will probably be handing over a nett £100-200k. As a taxpayer I feel robbed.

If WBC had been clear about the deal in 2008 they wouldn't be facing this PR nightmare now - but they evidently thought they could keep it hidden forever or that, if it came out at the time, the public outcry would scupper the deal with SLI. Either way it is, in my opinion, a despicable act of cowardice that they have not been open about the costs to the taxpayer of subsidising Parkway.

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post Oct 31 2011, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Oct 31 2011, 03:31 PM) *
£850,000 is approximately 50% of WBC car parking revenue over £300k.

It hasn't been made clear if the deal it is net or gross, this figure would be gross receipts (less £300,000.00) including carparks not within the town centre.
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post Oct 31 2011, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (admin @ Oct 31 2011, 11:59 AM) *
Sorry, we have been waiting for some figures which are as yet not forthcoming from WBC, but the deal between SLI and WBC which states that proceeds over a certain amount (based on parking income from ticket sales from town centre car parks not including Kennet Centre in 2007/8) is in place and has been confirmed to us by WBC. We will keep you updated as soon as we get the monetary value of the agreement which we have asked for several times.


Unbelievable isn't it? Yet again they try to fob off the taxpayers and the press. They know exactly what the deal is and what the figures are. If they don't then it only confirms that WBC is no longer fit for purpose. They should not be left to run a bath let alone a local authority. angry.gif


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post Oct 31 2011, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Oct 31 2011, 03:31 PM) *
£850,000 is approximately 50% of WBC car parking revenue over £300k.

However, it is too high as it includes parks that are not in the SLI deal - certainly the Kennet Centre park and probably parking fines and parks in places like Hungerford and Pangbourne. I suspect the true figure will be more like £500k passing from WBC to SLI (perhaps lower if the WBC parks lose customers to Parkway). It could be lower still if WBC go ahead with their plans to redevelop several of their car parks. On the other hand I assume that WBC will get from SLI half the revenue from the Parkway car park - whatever that might be (£300k perhaps). Either way I doubt it will result in a nett win for WBC - whereas the deal they were happy for us to believe was in place (it has been mentioned often enough without them correcting our delusion) was that SLI would pay WBC £300k a year from the Parkway car park takings (in essence compensating WBC and, ultimately, we taxpayers for the ludicrously low price of £1 they paid for a large portion of the land under Parkway).

So we will not be getting £300k a year from SLI as anticipated, rather we will probably be handing over a nett £100-200k. As a taxpayer I feel robbed.

If WBC had been clear about the deal in 2008 they wouldn't be facing this PR nightmare now - but they evidently thought they could keep it hidden forever or that, if it came out at the time, the public outcry would scupper the deal with SLI. Either way it is, in my opinion, a despicable act of cowardice that they have not been open about the costs to the taxpayer of subsidising Parkway.



Are you sure that it does not apply to all car parks in the WBC area? I know the Kennet Centre is supposed to be excluded but no mention of any other exclusions? I do believe WBC would be so incompetent as to do a deal like this that it would not surprise me any more! rolleyes.gif


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post Oct 31 2011, 09:20 PM
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http://decisionmaking.westberks.gov.uk/CeL...amp;A=1&R=0

May 15th 2008. Special Council meeting of the executive. No details given on the contents of what was approved.
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post Oct 31 2011, 09:30 PM
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I have to say that package is discomfiting. I accept the need for confidentiality in business negotiations, but where there is no competition between suppliers I'm not sure what the extent of commercial need would be. Is there a time limit, after the event, when these confidential reports must become public?

I note the name of the Officer in the matter........ He is such a busy chap when it comes to things that subsequently raise eyebrows... (Deservedly or not)
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post Oct 31 2011, 09:33 PM
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I've got an FOI in... will get the results at some point in November!!!
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post Oct 31 2011, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 31 2011, 09:33 PM) *
I've got an FOI in... will get the results at some point in November!!!

Asking what?
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Richard Garvie
post Nov 1 2011, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Oct 31 2011, 09:55 PM) *
Asking what?


How much revenue the council will have to pay SLI from parking charges in council car parks and an explanation as to why this is proposed
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post Nov 1 2011, 11:09 AM
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Which is the thread that has the facsimile newpaper front showing on it? Searching high and low, can't find it. Has it been taken down? Anybody kept a copy?
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Richard Garvie
post Nov 1 2011, 12:58 PM
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It's on the other Newbury (.net) forum, I have downloaded it so if you still can't find it, email info@richardgarvie.com and I will send you a copy. It's very childish, but highly amusing and scary regarding the potential acuracy biggrin.gif
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Andy Capp
post Nov 1 2011, 01:09 PM
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And it would seem satire is not permitted in Cartergrad. I put a link up a few hours ago, but naturally, it has been censored.
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