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post Aug 11 2009, 09:17 PM
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I was in Tesco's today and in front of me some very young child was swinging a basket. He'd obviously thought he had hit me as he turned around and said "Oh, i am very sorry." Shocked I hit him over the head (OK, I didn't really biggrin.gif ); but I was shocked by the manners this young kid had (he was between 5 and 7). I was going to find his mum and congratulate her on bringing up a smart and well mannered kid. But by the time the thought went into my head they'd vanished around the corner and I had to go. But I was so shocked that I had to mention it on here. Obviously there are some decent parents out there who still instil good manners in their children. Well done to the parents and child.
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post Aug 12 2009, 01:32 PM
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Yes, there are some well mannered kids around. The're not all bad.
Isn't it funny though that when you get presented with courtesy it comes a a bit of a surprise.


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post Aug 12 2009, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Aug 12 2009, 02:32 PM) *
Yes, there are some well mannered kids around. The're not all bad.
Isn't it funny though that when you get presented with courtesy it comes a a bit of a surprise.



Yes it does.... more so when the kid turned around and smiled at me. I was more expecting **** off, which is usually the norm laugh.gif
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post Aug 12 2009, 02:29 PM
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Most unusual! I expect the Mum was probably in her late 20s or early 30s and was married.
I doubt somehow the child was a product of the scummy mummy brigade. Then you would have got the normal foul mouthed four letter tirade.
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post Aug 13 2009, 10:14 AM
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Probably a visitor to the area.
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post Aug 13 2009, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE (Darren @ Aug 13 2009, 11:14 AM) *
Probably a visitor to the area.



Good point as I had never thought of that laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Aug 13 2009, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 12 2009, 03:29 PM) *
Most unusual! I expect the Mum was probably in her late 20s or early 30s and was married.
I doubt somehow the child was a product of the scummy mummy brigade. Then you would have got the normal foul mouthed four letter tirade.


Not quite sure how age & marital status are related to the ability to raise children with good basic manners! In my experience there's no connection at all, and in fact, it's more often the children of relatively affluent, mature and married parents who end up having shocking manners. Often the typical "spoilt brat", given everything, but taught nothing.
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post Aug 14 2009, 09:24 AM
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I must admit I have just come back from a visit to Edinburgh, and the children there were far more polite. We went on several buses when we were up there, and teenagers were always offering their seats to elderly people or pregnant woman. I am 20 and I would do the same as those teenagers, but I know a lot of people who I went to school would of not dreamed of giving up their seat.
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post Aug 14 2009, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (Jacklets @ Aug 13 2009, 01:44 PM) *
Not quite sure how age & marital status are related to the ability to raise children with good basic manners! In my experience there's no connection at all, and in fact, it's more often the children of relatively affluent, mature and married parents who end up having shocking manners. Often the typical "spoilt brat", given everything, but taught nothing.

Interestingly, I know someone who works at Cheam and they said the manners the kids have there is no comparison to the kids at a modern comprehensive. At Cheam, the kids there are respectful and polite; to everyone, masters to cleaners.
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post Aug 16 2009, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Aug 14 2009, 10:30 AM) *
Interestingly, I know someone who works at Cheam and they said the manners the kids have there is no comparison to the kids at a modern comprehensive. At Cheam, the kids there are respectful and polite; to everyone, masters to cleaners.

This citation is interesting in that it is proof positive that everything hinges on education. Those who have the necessary finances can use them to good effect and ensure that their offspring have the best start in life ( a damning indictment of the state system Mr Government ).
I am not suggesting that those less privileged are a lost cause ,far from it, but they are subjected to a peer pressure that continues from one generation to the next without stopping.

Maybe, and only maybe , it would prove to be cost effective to privately educate ALL children.


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post Aug 16 2009, 03:02 PM
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Most of the children I work with in my job. It is the opposite, the children who don't come from as wealthy backgrounds are often the far more polite and far more grateful for any help you give them. The children from the wealthier backgrounds are generally more rude.
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post Aug 16 2009, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (lordtup @ Aug 16 2009, 01:16 PM) *
Maybe, and only maybe , it would prove to be cost effective to privately educate ALL children.


But then wouldn't it stop being private education? Possibly the answer is to see what the private sector is doing differently and then adopt it to the state system. However, manners in children do seem to depend not on money or class, but on how well the parents bring that child up.
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post Aug 16 2009, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (Branston Pickle @ Aug 16 2009, 04:09 PM) *
But then wouldn't it stop being private education? Possibly the answer is to see what the private sector is doing differently and then adopt it to the state system. However, manners in children do seem to depend not on money or class, but on how well the parents bring that child up.

In total agreement. The bottom line is that the whole wretched system needs a kick in the backside. I am sure there are a number of initiatives that could quite easily be adopted from the private sector without compromising their "social" responsibilities.
The main problem is that this matter has been debated for as long as I can remember ( and there is nothing wrong with my long term memory ) and nothing is done and another generation is lost.
The intellectual stimuli will prevail , the bright will succeed, but to those who do not have the necessary environment to encourage do we just say sorry we can do no more .

To a degree this is one of those topics that is to large to encompass in a local forum but I am encouraged that most contributors have faith in our youngsters if not the system that is their "Alma Mater"


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