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Aug 10 2009, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Aug 10 2009, 03:43 PM) From what I know about this story, Shirley is hardly a hotbed of crime, and if some well-heeled local residents want to hire security guards, then good luck to them. They certainly shouldn't be subsidised by the rest of the council taxpayers.
I am sure the police do what is needed on a limited budget in a fairly large town. Clearly the Police don't do what's needed otherwise why would these people hire a private security company?
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Aug 10 2009, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Aug 10 2009, 04:04 PM) Clearly the Police don't do what's needed otherwise why would these people hire a private security company? I think it was fairly clear from my post, that I meant they do what is needed (and have to prioritise what they do) in a town the size of Southampton considering their finite resources.
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Aug 10 2009, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Aug 10 2009, 04:04 PM) Clearly the Police don't do what's needed otherwise why would these people hire a private security company? Exactly and also the police respond to the needs of their masters; the government. Security forces also have the same ethos; but their masters are the ones who pay them. They work to their own guidelines. People are getting very disillusioned with the police services, courts and government. Those security establishments come about because people are at the end of their tolerance level.
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Aug 10 2009, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Aug 10 2009, 04:09 PM) I think it was fairly clear from my post, that I meant they do what is needed (and have to prioritise what they do) in a town the size of Southampton considering their finite resources. Sorry, the point is the Police are not doing what is needed in regards to these residents. I know it's about money and resources but in this case it appears that there is not enough of both to satisfy the requirements of these residents.
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Aug 10 2009, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Aug 10 2009, 04:16 PM) Sorry, the point is the Police are not doing what is needed in regards to these residents. I know it's about money and resources but in this case it appears that there is not enough of both to satisfy the requirements of these residents. I don’t agree totally here with what you say about money and resources, even though it is a contributing factor. The police are also hampered by the European Law that protects the culprits first. Also the police don’t have tough powers to back them up. On top of that the courts are reluctant to send people to prison because of the shortage of space. All these factors work in favour of the criminals intent and against the decent honest citizen. The only way around this dilemma is for such security forces to work within their own moral guidelines and justice system.
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Aug 10 2009, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 10 2009, 04:01 PM) In America well off societies use special security guards to police their area. They’ve become very popular. One of the reasons for this is that police have to work within government guidelines. Security guards know who their masters are and work to their specifications. Very true. The Police have to work to a particular set of guidelines that (are supposed to) benefit us all. Private security have the interests of whoever hired them at heart which is hardly concdusive to social cohesion. In hiring private security these people are contributing the the very problem they are seeking to protect themselves from.
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Aug 10 2009, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 10 2009, 08:19 PM) Very true. The Police have to work to a particular set of guidelines that (are supposed to) benefit us all.
Private security have the interests of whoever hired them at heart which is hardly conclusive to social cohesion. As you said 'supposed to' benefit all. Sadly they don't. That is why certain groups within society have moved to the private sector. They only way we will over change things back to what they were is if the police become tougher.
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Aug 10 2009, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 10 2009, 08:23 PM) As you said 'supposed to' benefit all. Sadly they don't. That is why certain groups within society have moved to the private sector. They only way we will over change things back to what they were is if the police become tougher. Tougher policing, in time, breeds tougher criminals. Just look at America where in some situations they shoot first and ask questions later. Almost all criminals, even those involved in petty crime are armed. Criminals react in kind to the force exerted on them. This is not what we want in this country, is it?
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Aug 10 2009, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 10 2009, 08:29 PM) Tougher policing, in time, breeds tougher criminals. Just look at America where in some situations they shoot first and ask questions later. Almost all criminals, even those involved in petty crime are armed. Criminals react in kind to the force exerted on them.
This is not what we want in this country, is it? OK... if we don't want tougher policing then what do we want? Accept the situation as it is now?
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Aug 10 2009, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 10 2009, 08:31 PM) OK... if we don't want tougher policing then what do we want? Accept the situation as it is now? Tougher, much tougher, punishments?
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Aug 10 2009, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 10 2009, 08:31 PM) OK... if we don't want tougher policing then what do we want? Accept the situation as it is now? Better community policing. QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 10 2009, 08:42 PM) Tougher, much tougher, punishments? For all crimes or would you be selective?
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Aug 10 2009, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 10 2009, 08:42 PM) Tougher, much tougher, punishments? I agree with you Biker, however, our friend doesn't share our views. I think, and I am surmising here, he'd probably reward them
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Aug 10 2009, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 10 2009, 08:44 PM) Better community policing.For all crimes? And you reckon that will help? Sorry I don’t agree. Only tougher sentencing will deter people from committing crime. If you say “no it won’t” then my answer to that would be; at least it will punish them severally for what they’ve done. Bugger it as a deterrent then!
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