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> The end of this countries world standing, Pending extradition of Garry McKinnon
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post Jul 29 2009, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jul 29 2009, 10:26 PM) *
You might be right, but I understand (after doing a very quick swat) that he has even appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, but that has been rejected.



I don't think hacking is in the same class as anti-social behaviour, intimidation, murder, sadistic crimes etc etc so I am not surprised if the European Human Rights didn't cover him. wink.gif
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post Jul 30 2009, 02:22 PM
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Returning to the original post - I wondered who was the last Prime Minister to stand up to the Americans? I suspect it was Harold Wilson when he refused to join the US war in Vietnam. It certainly wasn't Thatcher.

And will Prime Minister Cameron stand up to them?
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post Jul 30 2009, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jul 29 2009, 05:36 PM) *
He had intent. We only have his word that he didn't want to do anything more sinister - and he's a criminal!



I must admit that I do not know the full story of this, however at a glance I belive that this chap has some kind of Autism, which doesn't make what he done right, however this would mean that it is highly unlikely that he had any Malicious intent in his actions.

Again I know very little about this subject so I could be wrong!
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post Jul 30 2009, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (Anon @ Jul 30 2009, 04:49 PM) *
I must admit that I do not know the full story of this, however at a glance I belive that this chap has some kind of Autism, which doesn't make what he done right, however this would mean that it is highly unlikely that he had any Malicious intent in his actions.

Again I know very little about this subject so I could be wrong!

So what if he had killed someone then? Or burgled someone? Or hacked in to your bank account and taken your money? Would you have the same opinion that it couldn't be malicious?
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post Jul 30 2009, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (Torchy @ Jul 30 2009, 03:22 PM) *
Returning to the original post - I wondered who was the last Prime Minister to stand up to the Americans? I suspect it was Harold Wilson when he refused to join the US war in Vietnam. It certainly wasn't Thatcher.

And will Prime Minister Cameron stand up to them?



I disagree.... Thatcher often stood up to Regan. She did what she wanted to do and **** anybody who got in her way.
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post Jul 30 2009, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Anon @ Jul 30 2009, 04:49 PM) *
I must admit that I do not know the full story of this, however at a glance I belive that this chap has some kind of Autism, which doesn't make what he done right, however this would mean that it is highly unlikely that he had any Malicious intent in his actions.

Again I know very little about this subject so I could be wrong!



He's got Asperger's Syndrome.
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post Jul 30 2009, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jul 30 2009, 05:21 PM) *
So what if he had killed someone then? Or burgled someone? Or hacked in to your bank account and taken your money? Would you have the same opinion that it couldn't be malicious?



You can't compare the crimes you've mentioned with what this hacker did. Each crime should result in a different understanding.
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post Jul 30 2009, 07:02 PM
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Anon's post has been edited, the original text said that people with autism are incapable of malice.
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post Jul 30 2009, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jul 30 2009, 08:02 PM) *
Anon's post has been edited, the original text said that people with autism are incapable of malice.



OK
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post Jul 30 2009, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jul 30 2009, 07:49 PM) *
I disagree.... Thatcher often stood up to Regan. She did what she wanted to do and **** anybody who got in her way.


I don't recall a single time Thatcher stood up to Regan...
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post Jul 30 2009, 11:50 PM
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After seeing this on the wiki page for Gary McKinnon:

"The charge that he perpetrated "the biggest military hack of all time" is ridiculed by McKinnon who characterises himself as a "bumbling computer nerd" who undestructively accessed open, unsecured machines while under the influence of cannabis and beer, "

My take has now changed. They probably want to bring him over here to teach US college/university students that it's quite possible to use a computer no matter how wasted you are wink.gif
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post Jul 31 2009, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE (Torchy @ Jul 30 2009, 11:17 PM) *
I don't recall a single time Thatcher stood up to Regan...



Maybe you don't, but she did. she also stood up to Bush. Remember the famous line "don't wobble George" She also stood up to the Europeans.
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post Jul 31 2009, 09:36 AM
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Looks like he lost his appeal, the extradition has been found lawful and proportionate
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post Jul 31 2009, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (J C @ Jul 31 2009, 10:36 AM) *
Looks like he lost his appeal, the extradition has been found lawful and proportionate



Yes, I saw that. It also said on the news this morning that the Americans usually leave well alone, but in this case they've jumped. But that was Bush, not Obama.
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