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Adrian Hollister
post Sep 21 2012, 05:13 PM
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Anyone else concerned about the privatisation of Newbury District's health services?


FYI: 38 Degree's have a good write up on the implications on their web site. You can also find local info from the Newbury CCG here.

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The government’s plans to privatise and fragment our NHS are taking shape in Newbury.

Local doctors are forming a Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG) for the area. They’re going to get new powers to decide what health services you and your neighbours are able to access and who provides them.

Whether it’s treatment for diabetes, skin conditions, a broken arm or depression, profit-hungry companies like Virgin Care and Serco are circling, ready to bid for contracts by promising to slash costs.

The doctors on your local CCG will be under pressure from the government to hand out contracts to private companies. That could put vital services at risk. But the last thing most doctors want is to carve up our NHS for private profit. Plus, the new CCG has a legal duty to listen to local people.

So right now, we’ve got a big chance to ask local doctors to use their new powers to protect our NHS, not privatise it. Together, we can make sure they hear from hundreds of local people as they make these crucial decisions.

Can you add your name to the petition to your local CCG now?
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/CCG-petition

Donations from 38 Degrees members have funded lawyers to prepare robust wording for CCGs to write into their constitutions - protecting our NHS from the worst risks of the government's plans.

If we can get in early, while CCGs are still being formed, we can give doctors a better choice - one based on sound legal advice and the interests of patients, not private companies.

38 Degrees members will be able to work together to persuade their local CCG to write these safeguards into their constitutions. The government and the private health industry probably won’t like it at all, but there’s little they can do to stop people power.

First things first. Can you add your name to the petition in Newbury?
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/CCG-petition
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Andy Capp
post Sep 21 2012, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Sep 21 2012, 06:13 PM) *
Anyone else concerned about the privatisation of Newbury District's health services?

Why are the government doing this?
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post Sep 21 2012, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 21 2012, 06:23 PM) *
Why are the government doing this?


Because there's money to be made..

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post Sep 21 2012, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 21 2012, 06:23 PM) *
Why are the government doing this?

Because they believe the NHS is inefficient and some of its services can he supplied by the private sector at a lower cost.

And yes, some of their mates will make a mint.
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post Sep 21 2012, 05:32 PM
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So MPs and Lords with financial interest in private health care were allowed to vote for the Health and Social Care bill?
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post Sep 21 2012, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Sep 21 2012, 06:32 PM) *
Because they believe the NHS is inefficient and some of its services can he supplied by the private sector at a lower cost.

And yes, some of their mates will make a mint.

I wonder if it'll be like privatising the railways where the tax payer will continue to under pin it?
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post Sep 21 2012, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 21 2012, 06:32 PM) *
So MPs and Lords with financial interest in private health care were allowed to vote for the Health and Social Care bill?


Probably but they must 'declare an interest'. If they don't, they could get told off.
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post Sep 21 2012, 06:52 PM
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I don't know what you're on about regarding privatisation, from what I can see the PCT's are just becoming more involved with a local panel of people directly involved in patient services at the sharp end. Sounds brilliant.
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post Sep 21 2012, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Sep 21 2012, 06:36 PM) *
Probably but they must 'declare an interest'. If they don't, they could get told off.


Yes but still able to keep any future profits! blink.gif


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post Sep 21 2012, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 21 2012, 07:52 PM) *
I don't know what you're on about regarding privatisation, from what I can see the PCT's are just becoming more involved with a local panel of people directly involved in patient services at the sharp end. Sounds brilliant.


PCT's will be abolished from the end of March 2013 along with all SHA's.

The new Commissioning Boards start to take over from the end of September 2012 supervised by the SHA's until March 2013 when they will then take over full responsibility.

The Clinical Commissioning Groups will be responsible for sourcing all treatments and medicines from any source they care to use, this is why there has been a plethora of new medical providers registering with Companies House recently.

It will more than likely mean that providers will be fighting one another to submit the lowest quotation possible by cutting corners and quality of care. It will make the G4S Olympic fiasco seem tame by comparison.
It will also probably mean hospitals having to close because they are unable to meet the lowest costs of the corner cutting private sector when they have to abide by certain standards that the private sector do not have to.
Already there are hospitals being run by private companies that are not having to follow the guidelines on numbers of nurses that have to be in attendance that the NHS hospitals have to follow. So patient care is suffering.
The private companies will cherry pick the treatments that they can make a profit from and leave the non-profit treatments to the NHS hospitals who will then be penalised for not breaking even. So you can see that it is going to create havoc to our cherished NHS. Still Cameron had to find somewhere for his lads to make money and aided by the Lib Liars it would seem he has pulled it off! rolleyes.gif

Remember the pledge he made before the election - There will be no top down reorganisation of the NHS!
Along with his yes man Glegg having to say sorry for his broken pledge on tuition fees it would seem as if politics can not sink any lower in the country. angry.gif


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post Sep 21 2012, 08:00 PM
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Strikes me that this is simply putting decision making back in local hands. Hooray!!
Also means we'll have more choice; NHS or nothing. Get this right and we may, just may, get rid of the rich / poor discrimination in health services we have today.

Lets be honest, if push came to shove- who would you rather dispense minor care - Boots or WBC?


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post Sep 21 2012, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 21 2012, 09:00 PM) *
who would you rather dispense minor care - Boots or WBC?

I don't doubt their pharmacy department, but Boots do stock a load of quack medicines like vitamin supplements. (As any sensible person knows, you get all the vitamins and minerals you need from a balanced diet - unless a doctor prescribes something for a genuine deficiency.)
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post Sep 21 2012, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 21 2012, 09:28 PM) *
I don't doubt their pharmacy department, but Boots do stock a load of quack medicines like vitamin supplements. (As any sensible person knows, you get all the vitamins and minerals you need from a balanced diet - unless a doctor prescribes something for a genuine deficiency.)

What if you don't have (can't 'afford') a balanced diet?
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post Sep 21 2012, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Sep 21 2012, 08:36 PM) *
Remember the pledge he made before the election - There will be no top down reorganisation of the NHS!

I do, so it is not just Clegg that is guilty of lying.
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post Sep 21 2012, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 21 2012, 09:33 PM) *
I do, so it is not just Clegg that is guilty of lying.


Thought that was a given laugh.gif


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post Sep 21 2012, 08:59 PM
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I can't see anything bad, this just seems like a good all round idea.
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post Sep 21 2012, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 21 2012, 09:00 PM) *
Lets be honest, if push came to shove- who would you rather dispense minor care - Boots or WBC?



Would that be West Berks Chemists?


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post Sep 22 2012, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Sep 21 2012, 06:34 PM) *
I wonder if it'll be like privatising the railways where the tax payer will continue to under pin it?


Yes the taxpayer will be underpinning it. The only difference I can see is that the private sector will now be siphoning off a fat wedge of the NHS budget in profits? Or have I got it wrong and the private sector, and a lot of them are American, backed by a lot of MP's are providing services out of the goodness of their own hearts? rolleyes.gif


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post Sep 22 2012, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Sep 21 2012, 09:59 PM) *
I can't see anything bad, this just seems like a good all round idea.


What like PFI's that were used to build nice shiny new hospitals but it has been found that it is costing the NHS so much that hospitals are going broke trying to pay back the huge interest on the yearly payments.
No different than the pay day loan companies that have sprung up recently once you have borrowed money you are hooked for ever? rolleyes.gif


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post Sep 22 2012, 10:40 AM
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You are aware that the NHS doesn't build it's own hospitals, vehicles or machinery right? Private companies already do all that? Plus all the drugs are brought in, as are the bandages and plaster of paris!
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