Falklands forgotten in MSM. Options

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She is right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1ZCnliNB4

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There are a large number of critical questions that ought to be addressed in the light of this disaster. Building controls being just one. Material approval, landlord responsibilities, emergency service processes, evacuation procedures, etc, etc,etc. Plus the matters relating to occupancy, sub letting and so forth. And that's without looking at the rationale and approvals for doing the 'improvements' in the first place.

Sweeping any of these issues under the carpet would be wrong, and the fear of that being done, is probably the reason for the disquiet about the 'official enquiry'. Such things have a long history of being used as official whitewash.

So, I'd argue that whilst Katie Hopkins might hold views I vehemently disagree with, it's absolutely right that she gives voice to them, particularly as they are shared by a large number of people.

None of the issues must be lost and all should be thoroughly investigated. If not, we will have another Hillsborough.

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There are a large number of critical questions that ought to be addressed in the light of this disaster. Building controls being just one. Material approval, landlord responsibilities, emergency service processes, evacuation procedures, etc, etc,etc. Plus the matters relating to occupancy, sub letting and so forth. And that's without looking at the rationale and approvals for doing the 'improvements' in the first place.

Sweeping any of these issues under the carpet would be wrong, and the fear of that being done, is probably the reason for the disquiet about the 'official enquiry'. Such things have a long history of being used as official whitewash.

So, I'd argue that whilst Katie Hopkins might hold views I vehemently disagree with, it's absolutely right that she gives voice to them, particularly as they are shared by a large number of people.

None of the issues must be lost and all should be thoroughly investigated. If not, we will have another Hillsborough.

And not to mention the OP.

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And not to mention the OP.

If we take the elephant in the room; immigration, for most average people, if they really think about it, it's not an issue. Overcrowding is, but that is really a separate issue. From my experience, so long as they can access acceptable health care, can secure and maintain a reasonable home, secure and keep a reasonable job with the prospect of a suitable pension on retirement and are able to send their kids to a school which is able to give them an appropriate start in life commensurate with their abilities, they don't really care who lives next door - always providing they don't do anything to disturb the peace. Not much to ask but that's it.

Unfortunately, when any of the above are missing, the easiest culprit are incomers. We've e en seen it here in Newbury, local homes for local people; which for some, included people from Reading or Basingstoke!

So, in simple terms, all politicians need to deliver, which is that list. Give it to any party and they'll tell you that's what they are doing. However, they really aren't - hence the 'immigration issue'.

Arguably, upholding British issues ought to encourage immigrants as good for economic growth. That's what we did after all. Look at Australia and New Zealand for instance, it was British immigrants who built those economies. Admittedly, the indigenous populations weren't over happy....

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If we take the elephant in the room; immigration, for most average people, if they really think about it, it's not an issue. Overcrowding is, but that is really a separate issue. From my experience, so long as they can access acceptable health care, can secure and maintain a reasonable home, secure and keep a reasonable job with the prospect of a suitable pension on retirement and are able to send their kids to a school which is able to give them an appropriate start in life commensurate with their abilities, they don't really care who lives next door - always providing they don't do anything to disturb the peace. Not much to ask but that's it.

Unfortunately, when any of the above are missing, the easiest culprit are incomers. We've e en seen it here in Newbury, local homes for local people; which for some, included people from Reading or Basingstoke!

So, in simple terms, all politicians need to deliver, which is that list. Give it to any party and they'll tell you that's what they are doing. However, they really aren't - hence the 'immigration issue'.

Arguably, upholding British issues ought to encourage immigrants as good for economic growth. That's what we did after all. Look at Australia and New Zealand for instance, it was British immigrants who built those economies. Admittedly, the indigenous populations weren't over happy....

Are you for real? How on earth can you say "If we take the elephant in the room; immigration, for most average people, if they really think about it, it's not an issue. Overcrowding is, but that is really a separate issue. " How the F can you say immigration has no part in overcrowding? Separate issue? You ARE so MAD! How the **** (Pre stifled) is overcrowding not to do with immigration? I would also add, you missed the, as usual, other elephant.

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Are you for real? How on earth can you say "If we take the elephant in the room; immigration, for most average people, if they really think about it, it's not an issue. Overcrowding is, but that is really a separate issue. " How the F can you say immigration has no part in overcrowding? Separate issue? You ARE so MAD! How the **** (Pre stifled) is overcrowding not to do with immigration? I would also add, you missed the, as usual, other elephant.

Yes, I am for real. Sure, we have many people coming here for whatever reason, they come in waves and have done throughout history. Sure, ;new' people distress those already here, they always have. So, unless you can overcome the fact that there will always be new people arriving, you are always going to be discontented. Most people realise that and start to get along with the new people they encounter. Yes, its a two way street, but it does happen. The process is far more painful and takes far longer when the infrastructures we have don't support even the existing population therein the rub.

So, take this town - if 'immigration' is actually an issue full stop, how do we stop people from Reading moving here; let alone the hordes of new people from the London suburbs who will arrive to take advantage of the new homes going up? More to the point, how are you going to keep your family together for as long as you are around in the confines of Newbury? How will you influence your employer not to let any foreign national onto the payroll?

Do you know the maximum number the Country can take? Conversely, do we want all other nations to adopt the same attitudes? If so, there are a good few residents of Spain in for a nasty surprise.

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Yes, I am for real. Sure, we have many people coming here for whatever reason, they come in waves and have done throughout history. Sure, ;new' people distress those already here, they always have. So, unless you can overcome the fact that there will always be new people arriving, you are always going to be discontented. Most people realise that and start to get along with the new people they encounter. Yes, its a two way street, but it does happen. The process is far more painful and takes far longer when the infrastructures we have don't support even the existing population therein the rub.

So, take this town - if 'immigration' is actually an issue full stop, how do we stop people from Reading moving here; let alone the hordes of new people from the London suburbs who will arrive to take advantage of the new homes going up? More to the point, how are you going to keep your family together for as long as you are around in the confines of Newbury? How will you influence your employer not to let any foreign national onto the payroll?

Do you know the maximum number the Country can take? Conversely, do we want all other nations to adopt the same attitudes? If so, there are a good few residents of Spain in for a nasty surprise.

I rather suspect he doesn't mind them coming from countries of the same ethnicity. It seems it's ok for Catholic priests, MPs, football coaches and scout leaders to kiddy fiddle but not Asians. What does that tell you?

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I rather suspect he doesn't mind them coming from countries of the same ethnicity. It seems it's ok for Catholic priests, MPs, football coaches and scout leaders to kiddy fiddle but not Asians. What does that tell you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44530825

Yes, can't help agreeing - here's yet another.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44530825

Yes, can't help agreeing - here's yet another.

I will never deny individuals are out there, but to equate it to a constructed, racially based gang assault on our girls is despicable.

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I will never deny individuals are out there, but to equate it to a constructed, racially based gang assault on our girls is despicable.

I simply don't understand your logic, it doesn't compute. Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. If you honestly believe cultural background has a significant effect, you must also believe that older apparently educated men from the North of England are also a seriously risky group; based on the obnoxious long undetected crimes committed by Saville/Smith/Hall not just against our people but any people.

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I simply don't understand your logic, it doesn't compute. Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. If you honestly believe cultural background has a significant effect, you must also believe that older apparently educated men from the North of England are also a seriously risky group; based on the obnoxious long undetected crimes committed by Saville/Smith/Hall not just against our people but any people.
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Great BS there " Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. "
Apologist, through and through. I say there is NO BOTH! Those crimes are the same. And how you have the audacity to equate individuals with a group of culturally based attacks on vulnerable members of our young shows your ...

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Great BS there " Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. "
Apologist, through and through. I say there is NO BOTH! Those crimes are the same. And how you have the audacity to equate individuals with a group of culturally based attacks on vulnerable members of our young shows your ...
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And I say there is both. Can't you grasp that the 'culture' at the BBC and in various other institutions in this Country also gave rise to these despicable crimes on just as vunerable members of our young. I feel quite sick at the thought that you feel it was a lesser crime for a 27 stone to bear down on frightened disaffected young boys in the care of a children's home. Says it all really.

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Great BS there " Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. "
Apologist, through and through. I say there is NO BOTH! Those crimes are the same. And how you have the audacity to equate individuals with a group of culturally based attacks on vulnerable members of our young shows your ...


And I say there is both. Can't you grasp that the 'culture' at the BBC and in various other institutions in this Country also gave rise to these despicable crimes on just as vunerable members of our young. I feel quite sick at the thought that you feel it was a lesser crime for a 27 stone to bear down on frightened disaffected young boys in the care of a children's home. Says it all really.

Agreed. It’s alright for white people to abuse “our girls”, presumably on the basis that they belong to the white folk. I wonder how he feels about interracial marriage?