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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 30 2017, 10:15 PM

So.... Would the 18% vote for it in the privacy of a polling booth? I think it would be close. I personally don't agree with Trumps ban but I do hate all the PC rhetoric. The more snowflakes the more I'd lean towards voting for a ban just to p1ss them off. 😄

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 30 2017, 10:27 PM

Whatever anyone thinks of the ban, it's certainly legal under section 212 of the INA, morally? Big question, depends on which side of the 'homeland security' argument you happen to favour.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jan 30 2017, 11:24 PM

I'd have thought banning travel from countries that are notorious for exporting terrorists would be more effective!

Posted by: newres Jan 31 2017, 06:28 AM

All would be good except no US citizen has been killed on US soil by citizens of the banned countries. Yet Saudis and UAE citizens have killed thousands and aren't banned. The US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan yet neither had attacked the US. It's all bollocks.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Jan 31 2017, 05:14 PM

Agreed.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jan 31 2017, 05:52 PM

We are possibly ignoring foiled plots from those places.

Posted by: newres Jan 31 2017, 06:44 PM

If true, it doesn't alter the hypocrisy around Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 31 2017, 06:53 PM

Agreed. For once!!

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 31 2017, 07:29 PM

Whome we are happy to entertain at state level.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 31 2017, 07:47 PM

I see the petitionn for him TO make a State visit is currently gaining more sugnatures per hour than the one against. No mention of this on the BBC though? Wonder why......

Posted by: Andy Capp Jan 31 2017, 08:23 PM

They are also an American ally.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jan 31 2017, 08:26 PM

You won't see that featured in luvvies fortnightly either. It simply don't play well in some circles.

Posted by: newres Jan 31 2017, 09:50 PM

Have you seen the grammar in it? But leaving that aside, many people that voted Brexit are appalled by Trump. It does seem to be just the really right wing people that support him here. I actually think he'll set back the right wing in Europe with his awful policies.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 31 2017, 10:16 PM

The basic, over riding tenet for me is that of 'Free speech' this is a country that spends vast amounts of money providing police guards for extremist Muslim preachers to spout their hate and bile on street corners with little or no reaction from the public at large and yet we are prepared to devote endless column inches to the cause of not allowing the leader of the free world to come speak in England. Really?? On a side note I saw a placard being waved in the USA that said something like "Down with Trump, I think he's a horrible man" Lots of horrible men out there sir, better get used to it.

Posted by: user23 Jan 31 2017, 10:30 PM

Didn't someone say once say something like, the only thing necessary for the triumph of horrible men is for good men to do nothing?

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 31 2017, 10:35 PM

Yes, some one also said "War is the locomotive of history" which has exactly the same relavence to my point on free speech.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 31 2017, 11:16 PM

So people with poor grammar should keep quiet? Really?

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 31 2017, 11:22 PM

You saying my Grandma's poor??

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 31 2017, 11:37 PM

Posted by: newres Feb 1 2017, 06:24 AM

I was just making the point that it appears to me that it's only extremists in this country that support Trump. It was an aside to mention the grammar.

Posted by: On the edge Feb 1 2017, 07:16 AM

I wonder what would have happened if we had more effective immigration control at all ports of entry?

Posted by: newres Feb 1 2017, 07:44 AM

We do have. We aren't in Schengen.

Posted by: Berkshirelad Feb 1 2017, 09:04 AM

I think that you may have overlooked the word "effective"

Posted by: blackdog Feb 1 2017, 11:29 AM

And it is still the case (11.20 on 1 Feb):
Donald Trump should make a State Visit to the United Kingdom.
3,957 signatures in the last hour
Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.
2,711 signatures in the last hour

At this rate the pro Trump petition (203,111) will overtake the anti Trump petition (1.786,212) in just under 53 days.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 1 2017, 12:20 PM

I think it was an inference that as he is not anti brexit and anti trump then quid pro quo he is thick. And you know you meant that.

Posted by: newres Feb 1 2017, 01:46 PM

I was being charitable and assuming the author was in an agitated state when he wrote it and proof reading wasn't top of his priority list.

Posted by: newres Feb 1 2017, 01:46 PM

Brilliant.

Posted by: Turin Machine Feb 1 2017, 11:58 PM

Over quarter of a million already, who knew there were so many swivel eyed,Mail reading, xenophobic, bigots who actually know how to stab a keyboard button. Amazing!

Posted by: Andy Capp Feb 2 2017, 12:11 AM

I knew!

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 2 2017, 10:23 AM

Do you not think perhaps that those who wish to ban Trump and do awful things to him and his house maybe extremists?

Posted by: Andy1 Feb 2 2017, 10:27 AM

Banning pre-shredded cheese to make America grate again, is one step to far.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Feb 3 2017, 10:50 PM

You do know that the petition isn't demanding Trump be banned from anywhere don't you? Actually the petition positively demands that Trump be allowed in as the US head of state, it just asks that his visit be denied the status of an Official Visit because of the embarrassment that would cause to the Queen.

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 4 2017, 03:43 AM

Yes, but I wasn't particularly referring to the petition. More those on marches / demonstrations / "tweets" etc. on both sides of the Atlantic.

Posted by: Biker1 Feb 14 2017, 10:18 AM

" HM Government believes the President of the United States should be extended the full courtesy of a State Visit. We look forward to welcoming President Trump once dates and arrangements are finalised.
During her visit to the United States on 27 January 2017, the Prime Minister, on behalf of Her Majesty the Queen, invited President Trump for a State Visit to the UK later this year. The invitation was accepted. This invitation reflects the importance of the relationship between the United States of America and the United Kingdom. At this stage, final dates have not yet been agreed for the State Visit.

Foreign and Commonwealth Office"