Which Tories?

I'll bite.

How the fu k does wanting to leave the EU make someone racist?

I would like a full, factual response.

I don't think voting to leave makes you a racist but there were lots of people with racist views blaming everything on the immigrants and thus using that as a reason to vote leave - you only have to look at the mad comment by OLDSKOOL on the NWN website front page story to see that


Oldskool
24/06/2016 - 08:08
Now we are out of the EU we don't have to build on our beautiful countryside to make way for new houses and roads to allow for the amount of people allowed to come over to live and work in this country. Our loved ones wont see further increased waiting times to see a GP or Surgeon in years to follow and we retain our heritage and we don't take a risk that if Turkey join the EU that millions of Muslims would be able to come and live hear. They cannot be trusted any of them, not because they are foreign but because they have radical beliefs which are alien to what you and I would call right and wrong. I'm happy this morning our country has woken up at last Its Great Britain again for me.

The Tories with only 25% of the electorate on side who put in a manifesto to have referendum and embark on an set of austere policies that has built the resentment of the system we have now.

Errr... he was being ironic!

That's one person.


I see plenty of other reasons, nothing to do with immigration.
I have no problem with immigration but I have a problem with having to legally allow anyone within the European Zone (EU Members) to come to our country. I want control back with us and us alone.
Doesn't make me racist.

I see all over FB and various websites, that if you vote out you are a bigot, racist, whatever. Fed up with it. There are many reasons to leave which have nothing to do with the movement of people in, or out, of our country.

Lets come back to this thread in 2 years - there is no way whatsoever that there will be any free trade deal with Europe that does not include free movement of labour - I personally think the biggest concession we might possibly manage to negotiate is "no entry without a job offer" which is worth nothing.

If we have free movement of labour mandated by a free trade agreement then what control have we gained by leaving ?

That's making a pretty big assumption. After all trade deals with other nation states don't come with free movement of labour, neither does TTIP. Immigration / Asylum / mobility of labour certainly need looking at, but as a subject on its own. I know some very elderly people who came here in the late 1930s. They had a rough time of it and were actually interned which wasn't exactly pleasant. However, sympathy is brushed aside, because they understood the reason, and ironically felt that these tough rules made them feel much safer because they stopped their opressors following them.

That's making a pretty big assumption. After all trade deals with other nation states don't come with free movement of labour, neither does TTIP. Immigration / Asylum / mobility of labour certainly need looking at, but as a subject on its own. I know some very elderly people who came here in the late 1930s. They had a rough time of it and were actually interned which wasn't exactly pleasant. However, sympathy is brushed aside, because they understood the reason, and ironically felt that these tough rules made them feel much safer because they stopped their opressors following them.

Won't be allowed to enter eurovision song contest.

If only!

I blame the daily wail readers! Going gold, should buy shares in that. Fancy ALL its poorly educated, racist, swivel eyed and low income readers voting for Brexit eh. Who knew there where so many of them.

There do seem to be a lot that were seduced by the lies though. The biggest one of all being Boris switching to exit to become PM. Then there was the £350m to the NHS which within hours of the result Farage said was a mistake. How many voted thinking the figure was a true figure and that it would actually go to the NHS?

Then there's the immigration issue. Leaving aside the refugee situation which is likely at some point going to present Dover with a problem, the only way we will avoid tariffs trading in the EU is by accepting free movement of labour, so nothing will change.

There is evidence that many people regret voting exit. If as a result we also see the break up of the union, which looks pretty likely, all but the most fervent "patriots" are going to see the vote as a massive own goal.

What I would like to find out, all the younger folks who are bleating that the older generation betrayed them by voting out, how many got off their ***** to actually vote? Sheffield, two universities, tens of thousands of students, overwhelmingly out vote.

They would vote in their home constituencies.

They were at more important things like Glastonbury weren't they?

Good question!

Arguably, for the young generation, we betrayed them long before the referendum as their predecessors found when they graduated and tried to get graduate level jobs.

It's worse for this contingent, they are having to pay even more for theory apparently pointless education.

Following the tuition fee debacle, we surprised that Students are very cynical about promises made by politicians.

All gone home for their hols.

"Post Brexit plan; we don't have one. That's the governments job." comments like this and pictures and film of Boris Johnson, looking visibly shocked at what I can only assume is the realisation of what has happened, fill me with confidence.

Bleating Young is a comment I read in an earlier post, is that the bleating of the generation that has to deal with this as opposed to the soon to be 6 foot under generation and we'll need to rely on the young to support us generation, who got us in this mess to support us?