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Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 06:39 PM
Biggs is an old man who can do no harm to anybody and there has been a lot of talk whether he should have been let out. What did he do? He was a minor player in a train robbery and who escaped from prison. There would be no such debate however if he had abused a child, murdered somebody or just created horrific crimes; he'd bet let straight out into the community to continue his atrocities. The moral of that tail is; if you want to be released early from jail do something less serious like abusing or killing a child.
Posted by: Andy Aug 6 2009, 06:51 PM
QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 6 2009, 07:39 PM) 
Biggs is an old man who can do no harm to anybody and there has been a lot of talk whether he should have been let out. What did he do? He was a minor player in a train robbery and who escaped from prison. There would be no such debate however if he had abused a child, murdered somebody or just created horrific crimes; he'd bet let straight out into the community to continue his atrocities. The moral of that tail is; if you want to be released early from jail do something less serious like abusing or killing a child.
The driver was severely traumatised after being hit over the head with an iron bar and suffered severe headaches and ruination of his life for 7 years until his death. Biggs may not have wielded it directly, but that matters not.
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 07:00 PM
QUOTE (Andy @ Aug 6 2009, 07:51 PM)
The driver was severely traumatised after being hit over the head with an iron bar and suffered severe headaches and ruination of his life for 7 years until his death. Biggs may not have wielded it directly, but that matters not.
Not according to the law.... in fact most victims of crime come second; sadly.
Posted by: Hugh Saskin Aug 6 2009, 07:13 PM
QUOTE (Andy @ Aug 6 2009, 07:51 PM)
The driver was severely traumatised after being hit over the head with an iron bar and suffered severe headaches and ruination of his life for 7 years until his death. Biggs may not have wielded it directly, but that matters not.
Yeah, and Ronny Boy showed not once ounce of remorse for what he did, in fact he became a minor celeb in Sth America, doing diddly squat and getting money whilst natives here like me, and millions of others, had to tip out of bed at all hours to go to work, an alien concept to him and his like. Good riddance to him, he's not exactly been a boon to the taxpayer, has he?
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 07:31 PM
QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Aug 6 2009, 08:13 PM)
Yeah, and Ronny Boy showed not once ounce of remorse for what he did, in fact he became a minor celeb in Sth America, doing diddly squat and getting money whilst natives here like me, and millions of others, had to tip out of bed at all hours to go to work, an alien concept to him and his like. Good riddance to him, he's not exactly been a boon to the taxpayer, has he?
My point was – and even though his crimes could be regarded as serious/ important – they are not as serious as a child abuser who would probably have got off a lot quicker. The reason his sort of crimes were regarded as more important by the government was that his crime was against the state. State crimes are regarded as more important than crimes against individual.
Posted by: Hugh Saskin Aug 6 2009, 08:02 PM
QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 6 2009, 08:31 PM)
My point was – and even though his crimes could be regarded as serious/ important – they are not as serious as a child abuser who would probably have got off a lot quicker. The reason his sort of crimes were regarded as more important by the government was that his crime was against the state. State crimes are regarded as more important than crimes against individual.
His real crime was that we was a low life crim who escaped from prison, fled the country, and continued to stick two fingers up at us from thousands of miles away for years, thinking he was completely safe from justice. He would have got off an awful lot quicker if he had decided to do his time. Can't recall many child abusers legging it from prsion and then making a minor fortune taunting us - i.e. the taxpayer - from abroad. Sorry, the bloke is what Scousers would refer to as a gobsh*te. Also, I thought he stole money - OUR money, or to be more accurate banks money in the care of the Post Office from a postal train running on a state owned (i.e ours) railway, or are you saying that's ok 'cos it's not really ours? I always thought that that the government had no money except that they took from the taxpayer - wonder who paid compensation to the banks involved - anyone care to guess?.
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 08:23 PM
QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Aug 6 2009, 09:02 PM)
Can't recall many child abusers legging it from prsion and then making a minor fortune taunting us - i.e. the taxpayer - from abroad.
His original sentence was 30 years for his crime. Most murderers, child abusers etc don’t even get that. And even though I won’t argue with you in how you describe him and that he should be punished. But were his crimes more serious/ important than child murderers/ child abusers crimes?
Posted by: Strafin Aug 6 2009, 08:41 PM
QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 6 2009, 09:23 PM)
His original sentence was 30 years for his crime. Most murderers, child abusers etc don’t even get that. And even though I won’t argue with you in how you describe him and that he should be punished. But were his crimes more serious/ important than child murderers/ child abusers crimes?
On one thread you are calling for touger sentences and longer terms for criminals. On this one you are saying he should be given less
His original 30 years is largely irrelevant as the early releases you refer to probably had longer sentences initially than they served. Anyway, sentences given out should be based on the crime, not on what other people had got for other offences. I just hope Biggs expires before he costs the NHS a fortune as well.
Posted by: Iommi Aug 6 2009, 08:44 PM
I'm staggered that we 'let him' back in, in the first place. If S. America was so good, we should have let him off and let him stay there.
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 08:58 PM
QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 6 2009, 09:41 PM)
On one thread you are calling for touger sentences and longer terms for criminals. On this one you are saying he should be given less
First of all there is no contradiction here. And I didn’t actually say he should be given less, I was more referring to child abusers, murderers and such should be given more. I regard murderers/ child abusers as more serious crime than robbing a train. Remember nobody died because of his crimes. And yes I know that a guard had died but that was many years later and some will argue that it wasn’t attributed to the train robbery; at least the law agreed that there was no connection.
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 09:00 PM
QUOTE (Iommi @ Aug 6 2009, 09:44 PM)
I'm staggered that we 'let him' back in, in the first place. If S. America was so good, we should have let him off and let him stay there.
There was no way on this planet that he could be stopped from coming back. He was a British citizen and he was entitled to enter Britain, no matter what he did.
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 6 2009, 09:41 PM)
Anyway, sentences given out should be based on the crime, not on what other people had got for other offences.
I agree and his crime wasn’t as serious as child abuse or murder.
Posted by: Iommi Aug 6 2009, 09:20 PM
QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 6 2009, 10:00 PM)
There was no way on this planet that he could be stopped from coming back. He was a British citizen and he was entitled to enter Britain, no matter what he did.
You're starting to sound like Jack Straw.
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 09:41 PM
QUOTE (Iommi @ Aug 6 2009, 10:20 PM)
You're starting to sound like Jack Straw.
Posted by: spartacus Aug 6 2009, 10:02 PM
QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 6 2009, 09:58 PM)
And yes I know that a guard had died but that was many years later and some will argue that it wasn’t attributed to the train robbery; at least the law agreed that there was no connection.
The 'some' you refer to.... they wouldn't be Ronnie's old cronies and family now would they?
No definitive, categorical, directly attributal link to getting coshed over the head perhaps as far the law is concerned.... but then again The Law's an ***. Would probably be described as 'unproven' in a scottish court.
Edit: the swear-o-meter dictionary translation of *** is long eared donkey
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 10:08 PM
QUOTE (spartacus @ Aug 6 2009, 11:02 PM)
The 'some' you refer to.... they wouldn't be Ronnie's old cronies and family now would they?
No definitive, categorical, directly attributal link to getting coshed over the head perhaps as far the law is concerned.... but then again The Law's an ***. Would probably be described as 'unproven' in a scottish court.
No definitive, categorical, directly attributal link to getting coshed over the head perhaps as far the law is concerned.... but then again The Law's an ***. Would probably be described as 'unproven' in a scottish court.
The "some" i refer to is the law. They said that as his death was a long time afterwards it could not be connected/ attributed to the the train crime; I am not saying that is right or wrong, just how it is.
To be fair if they started convicting people a long time after the crime was committed - he could have died from other problems - our system would be on overload.
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 10:10 PM
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 10:13 PM
QUOTE (spartacus @ Aug 6 2009, 11:02 PM)
The 'some' you refer to.... they wouldn't be Ronnie's old cronies and family now would they?
No definitive, categorical, directly attributal link to getting coshed over the head perhaps as far the law is concerned.... but then again The Law's an ***. Would probably be described as 'unproven' in a scottish court.
Edit: the swear-o-meter dictionary translation of *** is long eared donkey
No definitive, categorical, directly attributal link to getting coshed over the head perhaps as far the law is concerned.... but then again The Law's an ***. Would probably be described as 'unproven' in a scottish court.
Edit: the swear-o-meter dictionary translation of *** is long eared donkey
You mean ass?
Posted by: spartacus Aug 6 2009, 10:22 PM
Language Timothy..... 
When I typed in *** the swear filter replaced with gobbledogook asterisks....
Posted by: spartacus Aug 6 2009, 10:23 PM
It's done it again!
stick a question mark on the end and it gets through .....***?
(Well that didn't work either.....)
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 10:44 PM
QUOTE (spartacus @ Aug 6 2009, 11:22 PM)
Language Timothy.....
When I typed in arse the swear filter replaced with gobbledogook asterisks....
When I typed in arse the swear filter replaced with gobbledogook asterisks....
It seems to have come out all right this time.
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (spartacus @ Aug 6 2009, 11:23 PM)
It's done it again!
stick a question mark on the end and it gets through .....***?
(Well that didn't work either.....)
stick a question mark on the end and it gets through .....***?
(Well that didn't work either.....)
Maybe you are not doing it right.
Posted by: Iommi Aug 6 2009, 10:51 PM
What a load of ******* bollocks!
Posted by: GMR Aug 6 2009, 10:52 PM
QUOTE (Iommi @ Aug 6 2009, 11:51 PM)
What a load of ******* bollocks!
Are we talking plural or singular... as in Hitler only had one?
Posted by: CBW137Y Aug 7 2009, 08:56 AM
The whole Biggs thing pisses me off a little. It's about the powers that be, saving face. If you look at things in realistic terms, he's just a bit part actor in the bigger picture.
I understand that he played a part in something which had huge effects on people, BUT, when it comes down to it, how come people like my ex 'husband' are allowed to walk the planet scot-free? He used to beat the living sh1t out of me on average five days a week, sometimes with tools, yet I couldn't get him banged up. The poor girl who suffered at his hands after me, managed to get him taken to court. Thing is, he was let off with court costs, and had to pay her £50 compensation. Why? Cuz he was a "responsible single parent". My ***, he was!!! I cope with things better these days (11 years on), but will never really fully get over it. Don't know about the girl after me. His daughter will always have childhood memories tarnished by what she saw him do to me, and the girl after me, and the one after that probably too. Yet, he can do as he pleases.
Biggs was all about the Govt etc saving face.
Makes me a little cross.
Sorry - rant over.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 7 2009, 08:59 AM
QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 6 2009, 07:39 PM)
Biggs is an old man who can do no harm to anybody and there has been a lot of talk whether he should have been let out. What did he do? He was a minor player in a train robbery and who escaped from prison. There would be no such debate however if he had abused a child, murdered somebody or just created horrific crimes; he'd bet let straight out into the community to continue his atrocities. The moral of that tail is; if you want to be released early from jail do something less serious like abusing or killing a child.
Totally agree GMR. What riled the 'system' is that he evaded justice and made the politicians and police look fools. So they wanted to make an example of him.
I'd prefer it if they made examples of current day paedophiles and murderers. Lock them away and throw away the key. Or take them to Combe Gibbet for a bit of instant justice.
Posted by: GMR Aug 7 2009, 10:38 AM
QUOTE (CBW137Y @ Aug 7 2009, 09:56 AM)
The whole Biggs thing pisses me off a little. It's about the powers that be, saving face. If you look at things in realistic terms, he's just a bit part actor in the bigger picture.
I understand that he played a part in something which had huge effects on people, BUT, when it comes down to it, how come people like my ex 'husband' are allowed to walk the planet scot-free? He used to beat the living sh1t out of me on average five days a week, sometimes with tools, yet I couldn't get him banged up. The poor girl who suffered at his hands after me, managed to get him taken to court. Thing is, he was let off with court costs, and had to pay her £50 compensation. Why? Cuz he was a "responsible single parent". My ***, he was!!! I cope with things better these days (11 years on), but will never really fully get over it. Don't know about the girl after me. His daughter will always have childhood memories tarnished by what she saw him do to me, and the girl after me, and the one after that probably too. Yet, he can do as he pleases.
Biggs was all about the Govt etc saving face.
Makes me a little cross.
Sorry - rant over.
I understand that he played a part in something which had huge effects on people, BUT, when it comes down to it, how come people like my ex 'husband' are allowed to walk the planet scot-free? He used to beat the living sh1t out of me on average five days a week, sometimes with tools, yet I couldn't get him banged up. The poor girl who suffered at his hands after me, managed to get him taken to court. Thing is, he was let off with court costs, and had to pay her £50 compensation. Why? Cuz he was a "responsible single parent". My ***, he was!!! I cope with things better these days (11 years on), but will never really fully get over it. Don't know about the girl after me. His daughter will always have childhood memories tarnished by what she saw him do to me, and the girl after me, and the one after that probably too. Yet, he can do as he pleases.
Biggs was all about the Govt etc saving face.
Makes me a little cross.
Sorry - rant over.
No - you make good points. And I agree.
Posted by: GMR Aug 7 2009, 10:39 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Aug 7 2009, 09:59 AM)
Totally agree GMR. What riled the 'system' is that he evaded justice and made the politicians and police look fools. So they wanted to make an example of him.
I'd prefer it if they made examples of current day paedophiles and murderers. Lock them away and throw away the key. Or take them to Combe Gibbet for a bit of instant justice.
I'd prefer it if they made examples of current day paedophiles and murderers. Lock them away and throw away the key. Or take them to Combe Gibbet for a bit of instant justice.
Personally I prefer instant justice.
Posted by: Hugh Saskin Aug 7 2009, 05:35 PM
Just seen film footage of this scumbag celebrating his 70th birthday. Get it right, the only reason he came back here was so that he could receive free medical treatment, paid for by - guess? , that's right - you and me. Nothing personal, but I hope he doesn't see 80 years and one month although I seem to recall a swindler in the Guinness scam (Saunders?)who got out of hokey because he was soooo sick but then staged a remarkable recovery. What a soft touch we are
Posted by: Strafin Aug 7 2009, 05:44 PM
Good point Hugh Saskin, I think the law should be tough on ALL criminals, not just the ones the public don't like as much.
Posted by: GMR Aug 7 2009, 06:52 PM
QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 7 2009, 06:44 PM)
Good point Hugh Saskin, I think the law should be tough on ALL criminals, not just the ones the public don't like as much.
If only that was the case.... then we wouldn't be having this debate.
Posted by: Hugh Saskin Aug 7 2009, 07:12 PM
QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 7 2009, 07:52 PM)
If only that was the case.... then we wouldn't be having this debate.
Yer man is a heap of sh1te, sorry - don't see there is any need for a debate as to whether we should have re-imported rubbish like this. As it is, he only served 15 moons for what he did.
Posted by: GMR Aug 7 2009, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Aug 7 2009, 08:12 PM)
Yer man is a heap of sh1te, sorry - don't see there is any need for a debate as to whether we should have re-imported rubbish like this. As it is, he only served 15 moons for what he did.
Not man, my man
There was no debate as he wasn't imported/ deported or anything else; he came back on his own free will.
Posted by: Hugh Saskin Aug 7 2009, 08:05 PM
QUOTE (GMR @ Aug 7 2009, 08:46 PM)
Not man, my man
There was no debate as he wasn't imported/ deported or anything else; he came back on his own free will.
There was no debate as he wasn't imported/ deported or anything else; he came back on his own free will.
Yeah - he came back to ponce free medical care off us. Meanwhile the rest of us have to pay for our prescriptions - feck him and all like him
Posted by: GMR Aug 7 2009, 08:11 PM
QUOTE (Hugh Saskin @ Aug 7 2009, 09:05 PM)
Yeah - he came back to ponce free medical care off us. Meanwhile the rest of us have to pay for our prescriptions - feck him and all like him
I think if you are over a certain age you don't pay prescription charges... or TV licences. Give it a few years and you'll have the same privileges
Posted by: Strafin Aug 11 2009, 04:53 PM
Released from jail, and he's now he's recovered and is planning to write his memoirs. What a suprise. Now we can add another charge of perverting the course of justice to his rap sheet.
Posted by: GMR Aug 11 2009, 06:23 PM
QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 11 2009, 05:53 PM)
Released from jail, and he's now he's recovered and is planning to write his memoirs. What a suprise. Now we can add another charge of perverting the course of justice to his rap sheet.
Isn't their a law that stops prisoners or ex-prisoners from profiting from their crimes; i.e. memoirs?
Posted by: JeffG Aug 11 2009, 06:57 PM
QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 11 2009, 05:53 PM)
Released from jail, and he's now he's recovered and is planning to write his memoirs. What a suprise. Now we can add another charge of perverting the course of justice to his rap sheet.
I thought he was dying and that's why he was released. Has he made a miraculous recovery, then?
Posted by: GMR Aug 11 2009, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (JeffG @ Aug 11 2009, 07:57 PM)
I thought he was dying and that's why he was released. Has he made a miraculous recovery, then?
Yes, God showed favour on him
Posted by: Hugh Saskin Aug 11 2009, 07:37 PM
Just as I predicted in an earlier post - and shame on those who even suggested this heap of shyte should be let out of the hoosegow and back into general circulation. Aren't there enough crims walking free already - God knows, enough people are always on here moaning about it?
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