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Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 18 2017, 11:08 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41281570

This is not a rant , more an incandescent meltdown . All through the EU referendum the Europhiles cited animal welfare as one of the "positives" of membership . Bloody well looks like it . We have known for a long time that the Europeans have a more cavalier attitude to suffering than the Brits but reassured that legislation was in place to minimise the effects of modern farming .
I appreciate that these incidents tend to involve transport from the East of the area as opposed to UK but that is immaterial to the animal concerned . Incidentally it is almost certain that any animal that perishes in transit will end up on someone's plate , ( read tourist) , as it is apparent there is little in place to prevent it .
If nothing else , Brexit will , ( hopefully ) , stop the export of livestock for the food market . Politicians of both sides of the divide were responsible for the closure of local abattoirs 20 odd years ago ,so even in this Country animals may be 2 or 3 hours in transit before joining the production line of a "modern" slaughterhouse .

Pity no one from EU is on this forum as they could put pen to paper and justify their Countries position .

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 18 2017, 02:17 PM

I signed a petition on behalf of the equine society to put a stop to this barbaric practice. Horses are being regularly transported for days across Europe, often with no feed or water only to be slaughtered at the end of it. Put a stop to these awful practices.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 18 2017, 03:03 PM

I think we all stand as one on this subject , unfortunately getting something concrete done is akin to riding a bike to the moon . Nigh on impossible .

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 18 2017, 04:53 PM

Not so long as people keep munching on their Maccy D's.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 18 2017, 05:30 PM

You are not suggesting these burger offerings actually contain meat ? Tried one once and it was an experience never forgotten .

( Other fast food outlets are available but not tested )

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 18 2017, 06:56 PM

Usually Horse I suspect, tried a Burgler King a while ago that passed no resemblance to the Bovine world at all.

Posted by: Biker1 Sep 19 2017, 08:30 AM

What about Halal, is that OK?
(We've had this debate on here before but always worth raising!)

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 19 2017, 10:34 AM

The slaughter of an animal for food without pre-stunning ,( halal ), is not allowed under UK law but is conveniently "allowed " on religious grounds because of the fear of driving the whole industry into an unregulated back street operation .
Paradoxically there is nothing in their quran which stipulates the need to exclude pre-stunning because the process did not exist when it was written . It is a case that we have become a little more "civilised "and they haven't .

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 19 2017, 11:25 AM

Stop eating so much meat would be a start.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 19 2017, 12:07 PM

Have you ever stopped to think how much meat is produced for the pet trade ? Every dog , cat , reptile, fish, etc eats meat . It is estimated that the UK pet population is around 54 million and apart from the odd stick insect they are all omnivorous .
Now if you choose to be vegetarian then that's fine but to impose such a diet on Fido is as inhumane as the process we are discussing .

As far as this topic being aired before , I make no apologies for raising it again . Some things are far to important to overlook as visited before .

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 19 2017, 12:45 PM

We have now. My venture into Burglar King was an aberration.

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 19 2017, 12:46 PM

And then there's the impact t on the countryside.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 19 2017, 01:43 PM

Little doubt man's impact will be chronicled by whatever species supersedes him . Just maybe a similar lifestyle was practiced by the dinosaurs before they succumbed to the Chicxulub impact . In other words when a species becomes over complacent it is on a one way ticket to oblivion despite it's numerical superiority .

Bit off topic admittedly but the whole life and death cycle is far more complex than the movement of carbon-hydrogen bonds from one form to another .

Posted by: Andy Capp Sep 19 2017, 06:41 PM

I never suggested impossing anything, but my statement remains. I believe the next great animal welfare debate will be pets; we have too many.

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 19 2017, 07:51 PM

Pet ownership , especially dogs , seems to be the in thing at the moment . I accept Aunty Flo having a scottie for companionship , I half get the mindset of the local skinhead who thinks his street credibility will be enhanced by having a set of teeth on four legs in the shape of a staffordshire bull terrier but I can't understand Mr and Mrs 2.4 family who leave the howling mutt shut up all day while they swan off to work and wonder why the house has been destroyed when they return.
Like the housing market these things are not cheap to buy and financially crippling to maintain but still puppy farms churn them out unabated . HM Government's response ? No I don't know either .

Posted by: Andy1 Sep 19 2017, 09:06 PM

Drivle

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 19 2017, 10:13 PM

Atrocious spelling.

Posted by: Andy1 Sep 19 2017, 10:47 PM

The right letters, just not in the right order.

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 19 2017, 10:50 PM

Posted by: SirWilliam Sep 20 2017, 08:07 AM

The correct response , just not on the right topic .