Poor sentenancing for repeat criminal Options

[motormad]

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2014/mans-dr...catches-him-out

Causes £1000 of damage

has to pay £200

What the F**K ?????? For a repeat offender who has had an extensive criminal record.... no... Sorry, this is not acceptable of our justice system.

[Biker1]

It's the modern Britain MM.
No punishment, no deterrent, just soft "rehabilitation".
The modern way is for many is that someone else is responsible.
They don't take responsibility for their own actions any more.
"Someone else is to blame" Society???

[Andy Capp]

It's the modern Britain MM.
No punishment, no deterrent, just soft "rehabilitation".
The modern way is for many is that someone else is responsible.
They don't take responsibility for their own actions any more.
"Someone else is to blame" Society???

I think that has been true for at least 2,000 years.

It seems the boy was on benefits, or out of work, but that didn't stop him getting hold of the equivalent of 10 pints!

[Turin Machine]

It's the modern Britain MM.
No punishment, no deterrent, just soft "rehabilitation".
The modern way is for many is that someone else is responsible.
They don't take responsibility for their own actions any more.
"Someone else is to blame" Society???

Unless you're a motorist, £10k for speeding on a motorway anyone?

[Biker1]

I think that has been true for at least 2,000 years.

Sorry Andy I disagree.
We live in a "blame society"
Always someone or something else to blame for ones woes and wrongdoings.
Does this guy think "Oh dear I've brought all this on myself and have only myself to blame for whatever is handed out to me"
Which in this and most other cases is very little.
These people will never change unless they are told firmly that their behaviour will not be tolerated (sorry Ruwan!) and will be punished severely.
But then this has been understood and discussed to death by many before and nothing changes.
(Awaits hang em high, Daily Mail, lack of compassion comments!!! )

[Andy Capp]

Sorry Andy I disagree.
We live in a "blame society"
Always someone or something else to blame for ones woes and wrongdoings.
Does this guy think "Oh dear I've brought all this on myself and have only myself to blame for whatever is handed out to me"
Which in this and most other cases is very little.
These people will never change unless they are told firmly that their behaviour will not be tolerated (sorry Ruwan!) and will be punished severely.
But then this has been understood and discussed to death by many before and nothing changes.
(Awaits hang em high, Daily Mail, lack of compassion comments!!! )

It's not a case of lack of compassion, etc, but what you are describing is a human trait that has been with us since records began. There have always been rogues.

[JeffG]

It's not a case of lack of compassion, etc, but what you are describing is a human trait that has been with us since records began. There have always been rogues.

Yes, but they don't use the red hot poker any more. There is possibly a happy medium.

[NWNREADER]

The Criminal Courts exist primarily to establish guilt of an offender and then to punish. It is the primary role of the Civil Court to establish a wrong and to compensate the victim. Some years ago (many) it was decided to allow Criminal Courts to offer some compensation to victims to save them having to go to the Civil Court. Even if the offender were to be put before a Civil Court there is no guarantee the victim would get all their loss made good, as the Judge can decide to apportion blame and even decide (if an 'offer' has been made) to make a costs order against the 'victim' if he feels the offer was reasonable in all the circumstance.

I don't say it is 'right', but it is the situation. As said elsewhere, the Law is not the solution to all the ills of society

[HJD]

So will the little t u r d actually be made to do the 50 hours community work, & also as he is on benefits how will he repay the £200 will it be 50p a week !

[motormad]

Not forgetting that it would be ultimately you and I who pay the compensaiton..

[gel]

Not forgetting that it would be ultimately you and I who pay the compensation..

and the victim £suffers£ with increased premiums for many years to come.

[Turin Machine]

There really is only one way to describe these people, SCUM. Introduce forced labour camps, let them work off their dept there.

Mr Angry.

[MontyPython]

and the victim £suffers£ with increased premiums for many years to come.

We all suffer increased insurance prices because of these scum. we need a stricter regime with strong custodial sentences to deal with this!

[Turin Machine]

Sorry, but the bleeding heart liberal brigade would never agree to that. Give the little luvekins a big hug, its not his fault, It's society that's to blame not him.


Colonel Bloodvessel.

[Andy Capp]

i think the problem here is that we have a person that has for a long time been showing criminal tendencies. However, we have tried the methods as listed above but they didn't seem to work and custody just seems to train people to be even better perps. I think the the most economic 'solution' is for fast quicker intervention - or castration (but that will be a little harder to get through the courts).

[On the edge]

The press report suggests the magistrates were attempting to show how tough they are and failing miserably. In effect, the offender was showing his contempt for the court, so instead of some light hearted banter, he should have been made answer that charge and well. Surely it must be obvious to those responsible for the criminal justice system that the population see they are failing. The prime purpose of punishment is to secure retribution (recompense) for the wrong the offender committed against us all. Failing to do that, the judiciary are holding us in contempt!!

Prison isn't the only option, there are many more probably even more effective punishments, the pillory or the stocks for instance, but the apologists don't like humiliation - why not?

[Simon Kirby]

Sorry, but the bleeding heart liberal brigade would never agree to that.

From the standpoint of a statistical analysis of the violence as a whole, in tandem with, and related to, a psyco-chemical and, broadly speaking, a behavioural analysis, there is just one inevitable conclusion...

[Andy Capp]

The press report suggests the magistrates were attempting to show how tough they are and failing miserably. In effect, the offender was showing his contempt for the court, so instead of some light hearted banter, he should have been made answer that charge and well. Surely it must be obvious to those responsible for the criminal justice system that the population see they are failing. The prime purpose of punishment is to secure retribution (recompense) for the wrong the offender committed against us all. Failing to do that, the judiciary are holding us in contempt!!

Prison isn't the only option, there are many more probably even more effective punishments, the pillory or the stocks for instance, but the apologists don't like humiliation - why not?

Probably for the same reason as anyone doesn't!

[Biker1]

Boot camps.
Did you see that programme a few years ago called "Bad Lads Army"?
Serial, out of control youg offenders send to National Service style regimental camps.
The experience really turned most of those guys around.
The results were amazing.

[Simon Kirby]

However, he looked incredulous when they also ordered him to undertake 50 hours unpaid community work...

No doubt he'll join the others on Community Payback doing maintenance work at the allotments in Wash Common. Lucky, lucky bar-steward.