So Much for the Environment! Options

[Iommi]

...I've got a 100W bulb in the dining room.... but it's on a dimmer switch and only comes on full blast when I need it.

It uses the same power regardless how dim the light is.

[JeffG]

It uses the same power regardless how dim the light is.

I immediately thought Ohm's Law when you said that. But I suppose if it's a simple rheostat in the dimmer then although the bulb/lamp is dissipating less, the rest is given off as heat in the rheostat. However, if it's an electronic 'chopper' device, then the energy used would be less.

Prepared to be corrected on this

[badmummajamma]

I tend to think a lot of it is the natural human instinct of resistance to change.

Also, global warming or not, they use less energy for the same amount of light so that can't be bad.

Fluorescent tubes, which use the same technology, have been around for years.

This is ridiculous. Did you not read the article?

Barry Forkin is merely meeting demand with supply. How can you think ill of Mr Forkin for giving hundreds of customers what they want?

If no one still wanted conventional "lamps" then he wouldn't stock them. Where's the scorn for the hundreds still buying them?

I'm jealous, I wish I had his foresight.

[Biker1]

This is ridiculous. Did you not read the article?

Barry Forkin is merely meeting demand with supply. How can you think ill of Mr Forkin for giving hundreds of customers what they want?

If no one still wanted conventional "lamps" then he wouldn't stock them. Where's the scorn for the hundreds still buying them?

I'm jealous, I wish I had his foresight.

Throughout this whole thread I have never thought or said ill or Mr. Forkin.

I was just questioning the use of or desire for the old bulbs when we are being "sold" the new ones by the government on the basis of they are better for the environment.

I agree, someone will have to sell the old ones off until there are none left.

[badmummajamma]

Throughout this whole thread I have never thought or said ill or Mr. Forkin.

I was just questioning the use of or desire for the old bulbs when we are being "sold" the new ones by the government on the basis of they are better for the environment.

I agree, someone will have to sell the old ones off until there are none left.

Rats, sorry Biker - I accidentally pressed reply instead of quote. Forum newbie error. Forgive me.

It was supposed to quote User 23's comments about Barry on page 1 of the thread.

[badmummajamma]

A local businessman profiting from global warming?

He's gone right down in my estimation.

This one.

[user23]

Barry Forkin is merely meeting demand with supply. How can you think ill of Mr Forkin for giving hundreds of customers what they want?

One could say the same of those selling booze to under age kids. Do you condone this too?

Where do you stop, drug dealers also are giving customers what they want.

In these two examples morals are put aside in the name of profit.

[Biker1]

One could say the same of those selling booze to under age kids. Do you condone this too?

Good comparison I agree.

Only difference is the two you name are illegal.

[Hugh Saskin]

Has any one of you brave people actually gone along to confront Barry yet?

If I had been accused by somebody of something on a par with selling booze to underage kids, I would at least like to meet my accuser, rather than them hiding away behind a cloak of anoynmity - especially as the accuser is, presumably, local

[Biker1]

I think the point trying to be made was that supply and demand is not always an excuse for selling things.

[Hugh Saskin]

I think the point trying to be made was that supply and demand is not always an excuse for selling things.

Maybe, Biker 1, but it would be nice for one of those slagging him off to come on here and say so, otherwise some people might assume they've done (as Arthur Daley once so eloquently put it) a bottle job...

[Sarah]

I think the point trying to be made was that supply and demand is not always an excuse for selling things.

I think the point is, that comparing selling light bulbs quite legally, to selling drink and drugs illegally is totally ridiculous.

[user23]

Good comparison I agree.

Only difference is the two you name are illegal.

Yes, I'm not suggesting he's doing anything illegal, just morally grey at best, in terms of the environment and the amount of mark-up he's making from the people of Newbury. The people buying the goods are in effect addicts as they're buying something harmful at a highly inflated price.

Surely most people's consciences would have stopped them taking advantage of these addicts.

[spartacus]

It uses the same power regardless how dim the light is.

Well bugger me! I never knew that!! Here's me assuming that my dimmers were a good energy saving move all those years ago....I may as well have turned the bloody lights on full anyway....


What a DIMwit

[Biker1]

Seems going by this forum then that Barry is right as quoted in the NWN that 9 out of 10 people think that incandescent bulbs are better all round. (Or at least that they prefer them).

I wonder why CFL's have one the battle then?

[Sarah]

I wonder why CFL's have one the battle then?

EU directive, and nearly as good as some of the Health and Safety ones.

[Iommi]

Well bugger me! I never knew that!! Here's me assuming that my dimmers were a good energy saving move all those years ago....I may as well have turned the bloody lights on full anyway.... What a DIMwit

Actually I wasn't right, well, I would have been right years ago ( remember reading a thing on the box of the dimmer saying that it doesn't cut much power).

What I have found is that a dimmed bulb will use more electricity per candela than an equivalent static 'circuit'.

But over all, you are helping the polar bears, but it would be better to use a lower wattage light bulb.

[Iommi]

One could say the same of those selling booze to under age kids. Do you condone this too? Where do you stop, drug dealers also are giving customers what they want. In these two examples morals are put aside in the name of profit.

Frankly, it is business.

Most people don't have to buy the bulbs, where as a pusher knows an addict (that he has groomed) 'needs' his fix.

I think BF is just using his initiative and fair play to him. It is about time he had a break, bearing in mind how the council's plans have allegedly adversely affected his business.

[JeffG]

Well bugger me! I never knew that!! Here's me assuming that my dimmers were a good energy saving move all those years ago....I may as well have turned the bloody lights on full anyway....

Actually I wasn't right, well, I would have been right years ago ( remember reading a thing on the box of the dimmer saying that it doesn't cut much power).

What I have found is that a dimmed bulb will use more electricity per candela than an equivalent static 'circuit'.

Looks like neither of you read my reply #42.

[Iommi]

Looks like neither of you read my reply #42.

Yes I did, why?