The Death penalty; yes or no Options

[dannyboy]

From everything I've heard, the only thing not cushy about prison is that you're not allowed to leave until your sentence is up. They have a lot of comforts in prison that the average joe in the world can't afford.

next you'll be saying that it is so nice in prison, folk are committing crimes to be let in..............

[Simon]

I would have to say NO for two reasons

1. I cant see how you can morally ask someone to kill another human being
2. I dont believe the justice system works in this country, lawyers and solicitors are very very good at lying and confusing jury's

I do agree that Prisons are too easy these days (we dont want to effect the prisoners human rights, do we

Also a prisoners hardly ever serve their full sentance, and quite often someone commiting a serious crime, will be out in a few years.

Remember the Jamie Bulger case? They didnt serve life did they.

[GMR]

Could you ever be sure the Police, Jury, Judge had got it right?

Take the cases of - Steven Downing & Stefan Kisko. Both victims serious miscarriges of justice, both innocent & both having endured over a decade in prison.

And prison is not 'cushy'.

I've met a load of people who were inside and they would disagree with you; that it is 'cushy'.

As for Steven Downkng & Stefan Kisko; if the death penalty was available they wouldn't be the type to be executed.

[Simon]

next you'll be saying that it is so nice in prison, folk are committing crimes to be let in..............

Dannyboy, do you know anyone who has been to prison?

I know a couple of people who have, and yes I would say that playstations, freeview tv and radio's in your cell, free snooker and pool tables in the req room, organised sports events, free higher learning and what spunds to be really nice food served for you 3 times a day is cushty.

Im sure not all UK prisons are like that, but the ones i have heard about are. I wouldnt say people are committing crimes to get in but it sure isnt deterring them from doing the crime

[GMR]

next you'll be saying that it is so nice in prison, folk are committing crimes to be let in..............

You should read my other post because some are. Some find that the amenities are far better inside than out.

[Bloggo]

next you'll be saying that it is so nice in prison, folk are committing crimes to be let in..............

Well DB, I think you'll find that this has actually been the case!

Andrea, Ithink you'll find that they don't even have to complete their sentence now as because the prisons are so full the authorities are finding excuses to let them out before time.
It's like the nutters are running the asylum.

[GMR]

Dannyboy, do you know anyone who has been to prison?

I know a couple of people who have, and yes I would say that playstations, freeview tv and radio's in your cell, free snooker and pool tables in the req room, organised sports events, free higher learning and what spunds to be really nice food served for you 3 times a day is cushty.

Im sure not all UK prisons are like that, but the ones i have heard about are. I wouldnt say people are committing crimes to get in but it sure isnt deterring them from doing the crime

Exacty

[dannyboy]

You should read my other post because some are. Some find that the amenities are far better inside than out.

One case.

[GMR]

Serial killers end up in secure hospitals. They are mentally ill. You don't kill someone for being ill.

You seem to be assuming that the Courts & Police always get it right, so it would be safe to string 'em up.

I agree that you don’t execute people who are mentally ill, but not all serial killers are mentally ill and any psychologist will tell you that.

As for the last sentence; I didn’t say that… and not all of them, anyway.

[Bloggo]

[quote name='Simon' date='Aug 3 2009, 12:07 PM' post='4398']
I would have to say NO for two reasons

1. I cant see how you can morally ask someone to kill another human being

I would do it and I'm sure I'm not the only one and any way our government is not afraid to send our soldiers out to kill those that threaten our society.
What's the difference?

[GMR]

One case.

In fact I will tell you a lot of cases. The programme on Tuesday night with Nick Ross gave you many examples.

[Bloggo]

[quote name='Simon' date='Aug 3 2009, 12:07 PM' post='4398']
I would have to say NO for two reasons

1. I cant see how you can morally ask someone to kill another human being

I would do it and I'm sure I'm not the only one and any way our government is not afraid to send our soldiers out to kill those that threaten our society.
What's the difference?

[dannyboy]

I've met a load of people who were inside and they would disagree with you; that it is 'cushy'.

As for Steven Downkng & Stefan Kisko; if the death penalty was available they wouldn't be the type to be executed.

Hmmm, you mean beacuse of their mental disability? Like Derek Bentley.

And I mentioned those two in reply to Andrea calling for certain death for rapists & child killers. Both were innocent. If the death was de riguer at the time of their convictions doth would have been executed.

[GMR]

Dannyboy, do you know anyone who has been to prison?

I know a couple of people who have, and yes I would say that playstations, freeview tv and radio's in your cell, free snooker and pool tables in the req room, organised sports events, free higher learning and what spunds to be really nice food served for you 3 times a day is cushty.

Im sure not all UK prisons are like that, but the ones i have heard about are. I wouldnt say people are committing crimes to get in but it sure isnt deterring them from doing the crime

I don't think he does, but I do. As you do.

[dannyboy]

I don't think he does, but I do. As you do.

These ex convicts you know - would thay fall into the 20% who have been rehabilitated, or not?

[Simon]

I would have to say NO for two reasons

1. I cant see how you can morally ask someone to kill another human being

I would do it and I'm sure I'm not the only one and any way our government is not afraid to send our soldiers out to kill those that threaten our society.
What's the difference?

Bloggo, i agree with you here, there is no difference. But a personal opinion from me would be that if I was a soldier defending my country, i could kill. I would find it difficult being a soldier in a war i didnt believe in, likewise i dont think i could kill a criminal unless they had committed the crime against me or my family.

[GMR]

Hmmm, you mean beacuse of their mental disability? Like Derek Bentley.

And I mentioned those two in reply to Andrea calling for certain death for rapists & child killers. Both were innocent. If the death was de riguer at the time of their convictions doth would have been executed.

We are living in different times so you can’t compare then and now if you had the death penalty now.

You will never get perfection whatever you do.

[GMR]

These ex convicts you know - would thay fall into the 20% who have been rehabilitated, or not?

No.... more so with jails being so 'cushy'. I was told because of that it is worth the risk.

[Simon]

These ex convicts you know - would thay fall into the 20% who have been rehabilitated, or not?

these were not bad people, they just made a few mistakes. I do not feel that serving their time where they were, would stop them making similar mistakes again.

I was prepared to hear horror stories on their return but got the opposite, I even visited one and was shocked that it looked nothing like on TV lol

[TallDarkAndHands...]

My grandfather used to get the train to Strangeways with a certain Mr Albert Pierrepoint

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pierrepoint

He was an extraordinary man and very thorough in his preparation. He also executed 200 Nazi War Criminals at Nurenburg and he took great pride in doing this.

Some posters on this forum would appear to want to forgive people such heinous crimes as the murder of millions of people. After all if you transalated the human rights that the European Court has foisted on us to the end of the 2nd World War then the Nazi Muderers would have been spared.