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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 26 2020, 11:58 AM

Toooo many people in the world...

#justsaying

Posted by: SirWilliam Jan 27 2020, 06:55 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 26 2020, 11:58 AM) *
Toooo many people in the world...

#justsaying


One day something will sweep across the planet and that will be that. Read an article a number of years ago that purported that it may well have been a viral pandemic that wiped out the dinosaur, as their resistance was effected by climate change owing to the Chicxulub asteroid.
For asteroid read climate change and start worrying.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 27 2020, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 27 2020, 06:55 PM) *
One day something will sweep across the planet and that will be that. Read an article a number of years ago that purported that it may well have been a viral pandemic that wiped out the dinosaur, as their resistance was effected by climate change owing to the Chicxulub asteroid.
For asteroid read climate change and start worrying.

People may laugh but I just acquired 4 surgical face masks. Someone I know works at a company that supplies them and a major ahem online retailer just tried to buy all of them (50000) in one go...presumably so they could rake in a massive profit. They were turned down...

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 27 2020, 07:23 PM

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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 30 2020, 11:06 PM

We are all doomed!!!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jan 31 2020, 01:46 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 27 2020, 07:20 PM) *
People may laugh but I just acquired 4 surgical face masks. Someone I know works at a company that supplies them and a major ahem online retailer just tried to buy all of them (50000) in one go...presumably so they could rake in a massive profit. They were turned down...


Very doubtful that a surgical mask would offer little more than basic protection from a virulent pathogen. I would be more concerned over the public's laissez faire attitude to seasonal flu vaccination than a hypothetical threat from yet another asian respiratory disease.

Mind you I have been wrong before.......... rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif











Posted by: je suis Charlie Jan 31 2020, 05:16 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 31 2020, 01:46 PM) *
Very doubtful that a surgical mask would offer little more than basic protection from a virulent pathogen. I would be more concerned over the public's laissez faire attitude to seasonal flu vaccination than a hypothetical threat from yet another asian respiratory disease.

Mind you I have been wrong before.......... rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

Nope you're right. And the flu will kill far more people than this ever will, as will smoking and obesity. Still, fills newspapers

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jan 31 2020, 10:32 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 31 2020, 05:16 PM) *
Nope you're right. And the flu will kill far more people than this ever will, as will smoking and obesity. Still, fills newspapers

Lots of folk never made it to hospital in wuhan...thousands dead fella.

Posted by: SirWilliam Feb 1 2020, 02:53 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 31 2020, 10:32 PM) *
Lots of folk never made it to hospital in wuhan...thousands dead fella.


Lose a couple of million and I doubt the authorities will worry unduly. The area under observation has a population of 60 million which is comparable to the whole UK, just imagine putting the whole country isolation. Least it would shut queen nicola up for a day or two. laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Feb 1 2020, 03:23 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 31 2020, 10:32 PM) *
Lots of folk never made it to hospital in wuhan...thousands dead fella.

More hyperbole, "The death toll from the new virus, which is officially called 2019-nCov, now stands at 259. "

Still, don't let facts get in your way. 😁

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 1 2020, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 1 2020, 03:23 PM) *
More hyperbole, "The death toll from the new virus, which is officially called 2019-nCov, now stands at 259. "

Still, don't let facts get in your way. 😁


Us thick brexiteers dont do facts fella. Surely you know that?
Though I did predict Trump, Boris and Brexit.
Next up.... a global pandemic. Maybe not Corona but something else like bird flu... gonna happen. It's a cert. It's in certain peoples "interests"...

Posted by: je suis Charlie Feb 1 2020, 08:51 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 1 2020, 08:32 PM) *
Us thick brexiteers dont do facts fella. Surely you know that?
Though I did predict Trump, Boris and Brexit.
Next up.... a global pandemic. Maybe not Corona but something else like bird flu... gonna happen. It's a cert. It's in certain peoples "interests"...

Just out of interest, what size tinfoil hat do you take?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 1 2020, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 1 2020, 08:51 PM) *
Just out of interest, what size tinfoil hat do you take?

Oh I'm full Carole Cadwalladr mad cat lady mad.
And I dont take myself seriously. 👍
With regards to tinfoil hats, I used to wear one but am now in a full hazmat suit.🤣🤣

Posted by: SirWilliam Feb 4 2020, 06:43 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 1 2020, 09:34 PM) *
Oh I'm full Carole Cadwalladr mad cat lady mad.
And I dont take myself seriously. 👍
With regards to tinfoil hats, I used to wear one but am now in a full hazmat suit.🤣🤣


With regards to "not taking yourself to seriously", little doubt you are pleased to know that you are in the company of others who don't either. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: x2lls Feb 26 2020, 03:55 AM

Has the somewhat jocular attitude changed yet?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Feb 26 2020, 11:03 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 26 2020, 03:55 AM) *
Has the somewhat jocular attitude changed yet?

Not much, wait! Thinks Haz tickly throat! Oh Noes! Is dyin! Stayz in bed for two weekz.

Posted by: SirWilliam Feb 26 2020, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Feb 26 2020, 03:55 AM) *
Has the somewhat jocular attitude changed yet?


Hello, thought you had gone on a long term sabbatical. As you can see we are still taking issues aired very seriously, especially those that effect my pension.
On the matter of coronavirus, anyone would think bubonic plague was rampaging across the planet. More people have died on Italian roads in the corresponding period than from this virus but no one suggests closing the autostrade.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 27 2020, 04:06 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 26 2020, 01:06 PM) *
Hello, thought you had gone on a long term sabbatical. As you can see we are still taking issues aired very seriously, especially those that effect my pension.
On the matter of coronavirus, anyone would think bubonic plague was rampaging across the planet. More people have died on Italian roads in the corresponding period than from this virus but no one suggests closing the autostrade.

Was on the tube today and wiped my forehead and let our a little cough. Suddenly had some extra room...😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Feb 27 2020, 06:13 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 27 2020, 04:06 PM) *
Was on the tube today and wiped my forehead and let our a little cough. Suddenly had some extra room...😂


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Never thought I would say this, but, can we have the brexit debate back, pleasy please. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 27 2020, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 27 2020, 06:13 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Never thought I would say this, but, can we have the brexit debate back, pleasy please. rolleyes.gif

Plenty of tubers wearing masks today. Think it's quite a good idea. Not for Corona but overall...the amount of illness I have picked up on public transport....👍

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Feb 29 2020, 05:02 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Feb 27 2020, 06:13 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Never thought I would say this, but, can we have the brexit debate back, pleasy please. rolleyes.gif


St Barts students just got back from North Italy.... #justsaying

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/29497/coronavirus-testing-taking-place-at-west-berkshire-community-hospital.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51684624

Waits for town to be "quarantined"...


Posted by: spartacus Mar 2 2020, 01:46 PM

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/29510/vodafone-takes-action-after-visitor-to-newbury-hq-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html

#justsaying...

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 3 2020, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Mar 2 2020, 01:46 PM) *
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/29510/vodafone-takes-action-after-visitor-to-newbury-hq-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html

#justsaying...


Bit of profiteering going on as well...face masks and gels have spiralled in price...what I don't get is this...if some of the let's call them criminal element get it (mildly) in city centres and they decide to start looting etc...who is going to stop them? We ain't China and I can just imagine the hissy fit the left would throw if they took punitive action (see China)...

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 4 2020, 09:28 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 3 2020, 09:31 PM) *
Bit of profiteering going on as well...face masks and gels have spiralled in price...what I don't get is this...if some of the let's call them criminal element get it (mildly) in city centres and they decide to start looting etc...who is going to stop them? We ain't China and I can just imagine the hissy fit the left would throw if they took punitive action (see China)...


Anarchy! Complete breakdown of society with the country being run by the military followed quickly by civil war and ultimate demise of the human race.
Or, Boris can come up with a plan and everything in the garden will be roses. One of these is scenarios is a banker as they say. cool.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 4 2020, 02:44 PM

Bunkers built, toilet rolls and sanitiser stocked up on, new attack dogs slowly being starved, razor wire installed, machine gun post built on the top of the summer house, just a few last Claymores to go in aaand, we're ready. Come get some!!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 4 2020, 05:15 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 4 2020, 02:44 PM) *
Bunkers built, toilet rolls and sanitiser stocked up on, new attack dogs slowly being starved, razor wire installed, machine gun post built on the top of the summer house, just a few last Claymores to go in aaand, we're ready. Come get some!!



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51731422

😷🚾⚠️☣😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 4 2020, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 4 2020, 05:15 PM) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-51731422

😷🚾⚠️☣😂

Got a few cases of Corona beer as well, it was going cheap!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 4 2020, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 4 2020, 05:41 PM) *
Got a few cases of Corona beer as well, it was going cheap!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8056489/amp/Coronavirus-fear-sparks-boycott-Corona-BEER-survey-finds-38-say-wont-drink-lager.html


👍😂😂😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 4 2020, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 4 2020, 06:02 PM) *
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8056489/amp/Coronavirus-fear-sparks-boycott-Corona-BEER-survey-finds-38-say-wont-drink-lager.html


👍😂😂😂


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Anyone who thinks the human race is worth saving is delusional. The pork chop I had for tea had more cranial capacity than half of america combined, but who am I to judge. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: newres Mar 5 2020, 12:16 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jan 26 2020, 11:58 AM) *
Toooo many people in the world...

#justsaying

It's the elderly that are most at risk so should be a rebalance of politics.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 5 2020, 12:36 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 5 2020, 12:16 PM) *
It's the elderly that are most at risk so should be a rebalance of politics.


Forgive my ignorance but weren't the old young once? I know I was and my political viewpoint has have not changed that much.

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 5 2020, 01:01 PM

There have been a few posters put up in my office instructing on exactly how to wash hands and also to avoid spitting.

Posted by: newres Mar 5 2020, 01:13 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 5 2020, 12:36 PM) *
Forgive my ignorance but weren't the old young once? I know I was and my political viewpoint has have not changed that much.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 5 2020, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 5 2020, 01:13 PM) *
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election

Good oh, still by the time your lot gets in you'll be in the blue rinse brigade.

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 5 2020, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 5 2020, 03:53 PM) *
Good oh, still by the time your lot gets in you'll be in the blue rinse brigade.


I wouldn't count your chickens on that. Keir Starmer is actually fairly electable so if they chose him rather than one of the other two then they might actually have a slim chance of being elected in 2024.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 5 2020, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 5 2020, 03:53 PM) *
Good oh, still by the time your lot gets in you'll be in the blue rinse brigade.


Maybe,just maybe, those who traditionally vote Tory and possibly have a better standard of living tend to live longer than those who struggle and would probably support labour. It's by no means an exact science but it would be interesting to know if anyone has done research.

Now I suppose the left will accuse me of all sorts of heinous thinking and demand a public inquiry, but it's a thought.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 5 2020, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 5 2020, 04:16 PM) *
I wouldn't count your chickens on that. Keir Starmer is actually fairly electable so if they chose him rather than one of the other two then they might actually have a slim chance of being elected in 2024.

Corbyn had a cult following remember? Centre stage at Glasto, "Oh Jeremy Corbyn", "we're gonna change British politics forever", We're ready to govern, just hand us the keys", remember all that? Worst showing in three generations.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 5 2020, 06:16 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 5 2020, 12:16 PM) *
It's the elderly that are most at risk so should be a rebalance of politics.

Sounds like you are almost hoping for a cull of the old. Sad. Bigly. Crazy Newres!

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 5 2020, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 5 2020, 06:16 PM) *
Sounds like you are almost hoping for a cull of the old. Sad. Bigly. Crazy Newres!


We have to die of something. This way the intellectually challenged can pat themselves on the back and blame the "rabid right". rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 5 2020, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 5 2020, 06:59 PM) *
We have to die of something. This way the intellectually challenged can pat themselves on the back and blame the "rabid right". rolleyes.gif

Even though the poorest and oldest will be the ones that die...still if it helps Newres feel better about Brexit... 👍

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 6 2020, 06:08 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 5 2020, 03:13 PM) *
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election

Proves the point......"the older you get, the wiser you get!" tongue.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 6 2020, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 6 2020, 06:08 AM) *
Proves the point......"the older you get, the wiser you get!" tongue.gif

Have you listened to the people that have recovered. 6 or 7 weeks later and they are still struggling. Why have we heard nothing on the possible longterm effects?? And is this really why China went all out to contain it. In a society like China losing a couple of million old folk ain't gonna cause a problem. 100 million young people inacapiciated and unable to work for a prolonged period is...🙄

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 6 2020, 10:11 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 6 2020, 06:08 AM) *
Proves the point......"the older you get, the wiser you get!" tongue.gif

The younger you are, the stupider you are.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 6 2020, 10:59 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 6 2020, 10:11 PM) *
The younger you are, the stupider you are.

How old is Newres?😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 7 2020, 11:54 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 6 2020, 10:11 PM) *
The younger you are, the stupider you are.


I think that is a given but what is of more concern is the singular lack of intelligence gained as they age. When we allow parents to ignore medical advice on infant vaccination programmes or the elderly refuse the seasonal flue jab because they choose to listen to "social media" instead of using an element of common sense, it shows how "thick" society remains irrespective of age.

Now before some clever clogs points out the obvious on viral infections one should remember that TB was eradicated in this country and now it's returned, measles the same, but through sheer ignorant stupidity we are facing a new threat which may or may not wipe out all mammals on the planet, (it is after all a zoonotic virus which means having come across from animals to humans it is just as likely to be carried around by your pet pooch). And all this is down to ignorance when we have the knowledge at our fingertips to prevent such outbreaks in the first place.

The virus itself has no such problem and is quite happy to live anywhere. dry.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 8 2020, 08:40 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 7 2020, 11:54 AM) *
I think that is a given but what is of more concern is the singular lack of intelligence gained as they age. When we allow parents to ignore medical advice on infant vaccination programmes or the elderly refuse the seasonal flue jab because they choose to listen to "social media" instead of using an element of common sense, it shows how "thick" society remains irrespective of age.

Now before some clever clogs points out the obvious on viral infections one should remember that TB was eradicated in this country and now it's returned, measles the same, but through sheer ignorant stupidity we are facing a new threat which may or may not wipe out all mammals on the planet, (it is after all a zoonotic virus which means having come across from animals to humans it is just as likely to be carried around by your pet pooch). And all this is down to ignorance when we have the knowledge at our fingertips to prevent such outbreaks in the first place.

The virus itself has no such problem and is quite happy to live anywhere. dry.gif


The virus is already mutating. A second much more dangerous edition is already spreading... it won't kill the world but it will be like a Spanish flu. Was always coming.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 9 2020, 05:47 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 8 2020, 08:40 PM) *
The virus is already mutating. A second much more dangerous edition is already spreading... it won't kill the world but it will be like a Spanish flu. Was always coming.


Darned foreigners, despite exiting Europe we are still getting the little blighters arriving on our shores. On a serious note I would be interested to know why Italy is taking such a battering. No obvious reason why and it's inhabitants supposedly have a good diet, (according to my GP anyway), so I can only conclude that they live in close proximity to their elderly relatives who are more susceptible.

But of course they haven't got a prime minister to instruct on hand washing technique. rolleyes.gif


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 9 2020, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 9 2020, 05:47 PM) *
Darned foreigners, despite exiting Europe we are still getting the little blighters arriving on our shores. On a serious note I would be interested to know why Italy is taking such a battering. No obvious reason why and it's inhabitants supposedly have a good diet, (according to my GP anyway), so I can only conclude that they live in close proximity to their elderly relatives who are more susceptible.

But of course they haven't got a prime minister to instruct on hand washing technique. rolleyes.gif


Italians are very personal in interactions...kissing a lot etc. This might be partly why. On a lighter note the Germans have issued new sex instructions..

😂😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 9 2020, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 9 2020, 06:09 PM) *
Italians are very personal in interactions...kissing a lot etc. This might be partly why. On a lighter note the Germans have issued new sex instructions..

😂😂


Brilliant!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Always rely on the Germans to take a practical position. So snogging Italians is off my revised bucket list along with my annual visit to "Helga" but my immediate problem is how do I purchase toilet rolls without running the vitriolic diatribe of my fellow shoppers?




Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 9 2020, 06:42 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 9 2020, 06:25 PM) *
Brilliant!!! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Always rely on the Germans to take a practical position. So snogging Italians is off my revised bucket list along with my annual visit to "Helga" but my immediate problem is how do I purchase toilet rolls without running the vitriolic diatribe of my fellow shoppers?

There seem to be plenty of people ****ting themselves so I guess this is why we have a run on bog roll. Not quite sure what they expect it to do! Quite amazing..

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 9 2020, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 9 2020, 06:42 PM) *
There seem to be plenty of people ****ting themselves so I guess this is why we have a run on bog roll. Not quite sure what they expect it to do! Quite amazing..


Maybe there is something the health authority is keeping from us? We demand to be told that having covid-19 will lead to acute and prolonged diarrhoea along with an irresistibly appetite for pot noodles. God I hate secretive governments.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 10 2020, 12:43 PM

Called at Sainsbury's earlier and not a toilet roll in sight, even the biscuit shelves had taken a pasting. What the h**l is wrong with people? As the old adage goes "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", well ignorance is effing lethal. angry.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 10 2020, 07:43 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 10 2020, 12:43 PM) *
Called at Sainsbury's earlier and not a toilet roll in sight, even the biscuit shelves had taken a pasting. What the h**l is wrong with people? As the old adage goes "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", well ignorance is effing lethal. angry.gif

Wait till they close the schools...🙄 Easter holiday coming up...coincide with that?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 11 2020, 10:24 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 10 2020, 12:43 PM) *
Called at Sainsbury's earlier and not a toilet roll in sight, even the biscuit shelves had taken a pasting. What the h**l is wrong with people? As the old adage goes "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", well ignorance is effing lethal. angry.gif

12000 cases in Italy. 800 deaths. So much for the 1%...gonna mutate further.. #pandemic

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 12 2020, 01:27 AM

And bang, just like that, my trip to Scottsdale gets cancelled. Thanks Don.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 12 2020, 10:30 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 12 2020, 01:27 AM) *
And bang, just like that, my trip to Scottsdale gets cancelled. Thanks Don.


Shame these virus chappies aren't a little more discerning about their host. One or two "clowns" I can think of who are worthy candidates.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 12 2020, 11:56 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 12 2020, 10:30 AM) *
Shame these virus chappies aren't a little more discerning about their host. One or two "clowns" I can think of who are worthy candidates.

Went to do a little Cheltenham bet today and some bloke in the bookies was literally coughing himself to death... I literally scarpered. What's wrong with these idiots?🙄

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 12 2020, 01:14 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 12 2020, 11:56 AM) *
Went to do a little Cheltenham bet today and some bloke in the bookies was literally coughing himself to death... I literally scarpered. What's wrong with these idiots?🙄


Present virus apart anyone who has a heavy cold or flue symptoms would be acting irresponsibly by spreading it in the wider population anyway. It is not as though one is committed to venturing out in this day and age when everything can be done via a phone. Personal hygiene is the key to control, but though they wheel out viral "experts" with impunity who tell you to wash your hands after being in contact with the outside world, I have yet to hear one empathise the need to wash before venturing out.
Mind you, apparently by having a house full of toilet rolls, this fellow can can be "persuaded" to visit one's neighbour instead. Bit like reading the bible four times a day to prevent the black death in the 14th century.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 12 2020, 01:45 PM

Now I'm fed up. Bloody 'Murica.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 12 2020, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 12 2020, 01:45 PM) *
Now I'm fed up. Bloody 'Murica.

So am I... so u can fly from the UK but not Schengen? Guess what's going to happen. Shed loads of infected EU citizens arriving in transit at Heathrow. Yay!

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 12 2020, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 12 2020, 02:41 PM) *
So am I... so u can fly from the UK but not Schengen? Guess what's going to happen. Shed loads of infected EU citizens arriving in transit at Heathrow. Yay!


Not hearing much from the "open border" brigade at the moment. See the Irish republic has closed down but Ulster remains on a par with UK mainland, be interesting to see which returns to "normal" earliest.

On a plus, toilet rolls seem to be returning to shelves. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 12 2020, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 12 2020, 06:24 PM) *
Not hearing much from the "open border" brigade at the moment. See the Irish republic has closed down but Ulster remains on a par with UK mainland, be interesting to see which returns to "normal" earliest.

On a plus, toilet rolls seem to be returning to shelves. rolleyes.gif

Our response appears to be akin to that of the Monty Python Black Knight skit... it's only a flesh wound!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 13 2020, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 12 2020, 06:24 PM) *
Not hearing much from the "open border" brigade at the moment. See the Irish republic has closed down but Ulster remains on a par with UK mainland, be interesting to see which returns to "normal" earliest.

On a plus, toilet rolls seem to be returning to shelves. rolleyes.gif

Also on the plus side in 9 or 10 months time the NHS is going to be needing a **** of a lot more delivery rooms. No sport. Lockdowns. Baby boom. Will these babies be called Corona's rather than Boomers??🤣

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 14 2020, 04:50 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 13 2020, 09:40 PM) *
Also on the plus side in 9 or 10 months time the NHS is going to be needing a **** of a lot more delivery rooms. No sport. Lockdowns. Baby boom. Will these babies be called Corona's rather than Boomers??🤣


No hand shaking, exaggerated kissing or the like in public, but behind closed doors the bunnies are gonna play. Now the BBC do not have to fork out for match of the day can I have my free licence concession back? wink.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 14 2020, 09:45 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 14 2020, 04:50 PM) *
No hand shaking, exaggerated kissing or the like in public, but behind closed doors the bunnies are gonna play. Now the BBC do not have to fork out for match of the day can I have my free licence concession back? wink.gif

On the plus side, motorways are freaking empty!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 14 2020, 11:48 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/thejuicemedia/status/1238667841655541760

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 15 2020, 09:31 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 14 2020, 11:48 PM) *
https://mobile.twitter.com/thejuicemedia/status/1238667841655541760


We need serious press releases such as this to ensure the public is fully informed so as to avoid civil unrest due to misinformation. Next step is to prevent the over 70's venturing out. This of course means that those of us in this category will perish from malnutrition but that is a different set of statistics. Least we can laugh about it. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif ...........At the moment. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 15 2020, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 15 2020, 09:31 AM) *
We need serious press releases such as this to ensure the public is fully informed so as to avoid civil unrest due to misinformation. Next step is to prevent the over 70's venturing out. This of course means that those of us in this category will perish from malnutrition but that is a different set of statistics. Least we can laugh about it. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif ...........At the moment. rolleyes.gif


It's all part of the plan. A new generation of babies and cull the old.
Save a ton on pensions and a whole new generation of British fruit pickers...

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 15 2020, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 15 2020, 09:51 AM) *
It's all part of the plan. A new generation of babies and cull the old.
Save a ton on pensions and a whole new generation of British fruit pickers...


Just watching the news with footage of long queues of shoppers rubbing shoulders with their fellow man. Now assuming that one of those has contracted the virus then all those who are in the immediate vicinity will carry it to the next group of muppets. Then we have a distressed lady who, though at her age she should be better informed, is topping up her bird feeder with bare hands while expressing concern over her position even though she is at more risk from an avian disease such as Chlamydiosis or Salmonella.

Anyway HM government will take care of us......Providing we, (you), are under 69.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 15 2020, 07:17 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 15 2020, 07:02 PM) *
Just watching the news with footage of long queues of shoppers rubbing shoulders with their fellow man. Now assuming that one of those has contracted the virus then all those who are in the immediate vicinity will carry it to the next group of muppets. Then we have a distressed lady who, though at her age she should be better informed, is topping up her bird feeder with bare hands while expressing concern over her position even though she is at more risk from an avian disease such as Chlamydiosis or Salmonella.

Anyway HM government will take care of us......Providing we, (you), are under 69.


You forget the bit where you get it before the NHS crashes and burns...cos this is where we will be in 2 weeks. Though all the people blaming the government are living in cloud cuckoo land. If Labour had been in charge of the NHS for the last 10 years we'd still be in the ****. Pandemics are rare and you cant be on standby for them.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 15 2020, 09:52 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 15 2020, 07:17 PM) *
You forget the bit where you get it before the NHS crashes and burns...cos this is where we will be in 2 weeks. Though all the people blaming the government are living in cloud cuckoo land. If Labour had been in charge of the NHS for the last 10 years we'd still be in the ****. Pandemics are rare and you cant be on standby for them.


In the immortal words of Private Frazer "We're Doomed"

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 15 2020, 10:30 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 15 2020, 09:52 PM) *
In the immortal words of Private Frazer "We're Doomed"

Well 6 percent are and another 14 percent are gonna get very ill.
Still lots of folk will still think it's just the "flu".
Good luck with that.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 16 2020, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 15 2020, 09:52 PM) *
In the immortal words of Private Frazer "We're Doomed"

Worth a read..

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-doctor-warns-we-are-already-at-breaking-point-11958542


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 17 2020, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 1 2020, 08:51 PM) *
Just out of interest, what size tinfoil hat do you take?

My tinfoil hat was well tuned....

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 18 2020, 08:22 AM

I've been asked to work from home from today onwards. The main thing that I am going to miss is the banter and general cameraderie in the office. Obviously I don't remember wartime but I would imagine that this is what it was like.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 18 2020, 12:50 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 18 2020, 08:22 AM) *
I've been asked to work from home from today onwards. The main thing that I am going to miss is the banter and general cameraderie in the office. Obviously I don't remember wartime but I would imagine that this is what it was like.


Yep. Sitting at home with Netflix and a plethora of other entertainment. With home delivery from the supermarkets...just like the war..🤣

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 18 2020, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 18 2020, 08:22 AM) *
I've been asked to work from home from today onwards. The main thing that I am going to miss is the banter and general cameraderie in the office. Obviously I don't remember wartime but I would imagine that this is what it was like.


Bit of difference between what is ostensibly a particularly nasty influenza and the might of the luftwaffe trying to bomb you out of existence. Lot of people who do not understand the workings of a virus are causing panic which is not at all helpful.
Best thing to do if you are reasonably fit is to carry on as normal and if you do catch it it will mean a few days in bed but at least you will have immunity if it returns next winter.
Incidentally one of the side effects of air raids was the increase in crime as houses were left empty and even if the the bomb missed it when the occupants returned home they could find their possessions gone.........And no welfare state to assist.

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 18 2020, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 18 2020, 12:50 PM) *
Yep. Sitting at home with Netflix and a plethora of other entertainment. With home delivery from the supermarkets...just like the war..🤣


I don't have Netflix and the supermarkets don't have any delivery slots for the next few weeks but I take your point. I was more referring to the pull together mentality, the Blitz like spirit and the curtailment of individual freedoms for the greater collective good.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 18 2020, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 18 2020, 07:57 PM) *
I don't have Netflix and the supermarkets don't have any delivery slots for the next few weeks but I take your point. I was more referring to the pull together mentality, the Blitz like spirit and the curtailment of individual freedoms for the greater collective good.

I was only joking.. as usual. And get where you are coming from. I have been taken aback a bit by the world response. I'm not quite sure that if only 1% were going to die we would have seen such a huge effort. My guess is they know something we don't.

Posted by: spartacus Mar 18 2020, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 18 2020, 08:50 PM) *
I have been taken aback a bit by the world response. I'm not quite sure that if only 1% were going to die we would have seen such a huge effort. My guess is they know something we don't.
.......I'm with you there.... ... and it's not tinfoil hattery time.

There's an undercurrent I'm not getting my head around. I really don't get the absolute enormous amounts of national reserves and resources that are being committed to tackling this if it really is a case of "Children don't get it, the healthy may get it but it'll pass in a few days and carry on. Even the fit elderly can contract it without keeling over popping their clogs." The global commitment is astounding. Is the pandemic modelling they're doing showing that there's a second, third or fourth tranche to this virus that will be even worse than the last? If we knew the truth then the panic at the bog roll shelf will be nothing to what might take it's place?

Life as we know it is going to take a very nasty turn over the next months, what with all the self-isolation requests which are going to see businesses big and small fold because of enforced closures and lack of footfall. There's more to this than meets the eye. If it really is the sort of Millennium Bug equivalent which was a lot of expenditure for an Apocalypse that fizzled out like a wet firework as the New Year bells struck then it has already screwed people's lives up.

It's troubling. ..Not that I really want to know if the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are just sorting out their riding gear and about to jump up into the saddle either....

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 18 2020, 10:33 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 18 2020, 08:50 PM) *
I was only joking.. as usual. And get where you are coming from. I have been taken aback a bit by the world response. I'm not quite sure that if only 1% were going to die we would have seen such a huge effort. My guess is they know something we don't.


1% is nothing, 75 million is an eye watering unacceptable number. All about the wording. I think the average annual mortality is about the same so it could be said that twice as many people will die at the moment.
Not sure what balm pot advised the government to close the schools but the idea of millions of kids running free and carrying the virus to all and sundry is more worrying in that the outbreak graph will peak far more acutely leading to complete social breakdown.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 18 2020, 11:00 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 18 2020, 10:33 PM) *
1% is nothing, 75 million is an eye watering unacceptable number. All about the wording. I think the average annual mortality is about the same so it could be said that twice as many people will die at the moment.
Not sure what balm pot advised the government to close the schools but the idea of millions of kids running free and carrying the virus to all and sundry is more worrying in that the outbreak graph will peak far more acutely leading to complete social breakdown.


And I have been timing my runs to the shop (I go only when I actually need something) to when the kids are in school. Are they going to be kept in by stressed overworked parents? I doubt it.. bloody nightmare.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2020, 02:06 AM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-london-lockdown-deaths-cases-tfl-a9409671.html

Posted by: spartacus Mar 19 2020, 06:48 AM

No new domestic cases in China yesterday. None. ...in the whole of China. Presumably they're still eating bats and exotic wildlife and things that spawn out in the rural peasant heartlands, but no new cases. Has this all been a ruse by China to set a wave of panic around the world by releasing a relatively mild biological agent to create a financial collapse of the West that they can then buy up...

Where's that Bacofoil?

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 19 2020, 07:14 AM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Mar 19 2020, 06:48 AM) *
No new domestic cases in China yesterday. None. ...in the whole of China.


According to whom? Having worked on official Chinese crop statistics in the past I can tell you that their numbers are debatable in that county level areas do not sum to the area of the province containing those counties and things of that nature. If the WHO are certifying these figures then they might be considered a bit more believable but even then they will still rely heavily on accurate local reporting and proper testing having taken place.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 19 2020, 11:45 AM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 19 2020, 07:14 AM) *
According to whom? Having worked on official Chinese crop statistics in the past I can tell you that their numbers are debatable in that county level areas do not sum to the area of the province containing those counties and things of that nature. If the WHO are certifying these figures then they might be considered a bit more believable but even then they will still rely heavily on accurate local reporting and proper testing having taken place.


Difficult to get accurate figures from a lot of the world and to that end we may be on the brink of extinction or it will fizzle out by the summer. Even our statistics are at best hazy as a lot of those showing symptoms may not actually have covid 19 but seasonal flu and some may be carrying it without even realising. I still maintain that if UK mortality can be kept under 10,000 then all the panic has been uncalled for and has actually contributed to the problem by overloading the system. Just been to tesco along the london road and I was more at risk from irate drivers than possible carriers. Though those queuing at the tills do not seem to grasp the "6 ft" rule.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 19 2020, 11:50 AM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Mar 19 2020, 06:48 AM) *
No new domestic cases in China yesterday. None. ...in the whole of China. Presumably they're still eating bats and exotic wildlife and things that spawn out in the rural peasant heartlands, but no new cases. Has this all been a ruse by China to set a wave of panic around the world by releasing a relatively mild biological agent to create a financial collapse of the West that they can then buy up...

Where's that Bacofoil?


Very good point, it is man's singular lack of hygiene in basic food preparation that has caused this and you can put you final pay packet that this will continue. If nothing else it has highlighted that we as a species are mortal and one day a virus will wipe us out.......But not this one, hopefully rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2020, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 19 2020, 11:50 AM) *
Very good point, it is man's singular lack of hygiene in basic food preparation that has caused this and you can put you final pay packet that this will continue. If nothing else it has highlighted that we as a species are mortal and one day a virus will wipe us out.......But not this one, hopefully rolleyes.gif

We both have been saying it...mother nature will think we are a bit of a pain and get rid.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 19 2020, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2020, 03:02 PM) *
We both have been saying it...mother nature will think we are a bit of a pain and get rid.


Bit slow isn't she? Man has systematically raped her since Australopithecus thought " that's a cute name". Am I the only one who is fed up to the back teeth with tv coverage of the whole thing? Day in day out we are bombarded with either bumbling Boris or whinging vox poppers complaining about the government not doing anything and convinced it is up to said government to save them from certain death. The "nanny" state mentality of the last 40 years has a lot to answer for.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2020, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 19 2020, 06:37 PM) *
Bit slow isn't she? Man has systematically raped her since Australopithecus thought " that's a cute name". Am I the only one who is fed up to the back teeth with tv coverage of the whole thing? Day in day out we are bombarded with either bumbling Boris or whinging vox poppers complaining about the government not doing anything and convinced it is up to said government to save them from certain death. The "nanny" state mentality of the last 40 years has a lot to answer for.

This sums it up. Selfish nasty society we live in these days. Something has to be done. Personally I hope the food these sicko's are hoarding go''s off, gets botulism or salmonella and they end up in hospital. Tossers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ladyhaja/status/1240706661938946048







Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 19 2020, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2020, 07:18 PM) *
This sums it up. Selfish nasty society we live in these days. Something has to be done. Personally I hope the food these sicko's are hoarding go''s off, gets botulism or salmonella and they end up in hospital. Tossers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ladyhaja/status/1240706661938946048


Shape of things to come. Imagine what it would be like if the threat was real. The powers that be should have foreseen this, remember what it is like at xmas when the shops close for one whole day, but they seem powerless to do anything other than appeal to their better nature. Might as well take on a polar bear with a toffee hammer. If their mountain of food goes off they will just go back to the shop and empty it again. To be honest they should issue ration cards which would solve the problem before anarchy breaks out.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2020, 09:50 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 19 2020, 09:37 PM) *
Shape of things to come. Imagine what it would be like if the threat was real. The powers that be should have foreseen this, remember what it is like at xmas when the shops close for one whole day, but they seem powerless to do anything other than appeal to their better nature. Might as well take on a polar bear with a toffee hammer. If their mountain of food goes off they will just go back to the shop and empty it again. To be honest they should issue ration cards which would solve the problem before anarchy breaks out.


I'm gonna start calling people out if I see hoarders with multiple trolleys. Hoard shame them loudly. Mind you..they'll probably spit at me given the mentality of these idiots.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 19 2020, 10:34 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2020, 09:50 PM) *
I'm gonna start calling people out if I see hoarders with multiple trolleys. Hoard shame them loudly. Mind you..they'll probably spit at me given the mentality of these idiots.


If you only get spat at I would consider you have got off lightly. I see this getting a lot worse before it gets better and only a matter of time before violence erupts. Tin hat time old chap.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2020, 11:02 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 19 2020, 10:34 PM) *
If you only get spat at I would consider you have got off lightly. I see this getting a lot worse before it gets better and only a matter of time before violence erupts. Tin hat time old chap.

Already started...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1240616049462124544


Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 20 2020, 09:06 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2020, 11:02 PM) *
Already started...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1240616049462124544


Quod est demonstrandum as they say in posh circles. I have fired off a couple of emails to those who can bring pressure in order to get the government to take the situation by the scruff of the neck but they seem very reluctant. Guess it's just down to keeping a low profile and not eating for the next 3 months.
On a plus side no one is discussing post brexit.

Posted by: spartacus Mar 20 2020, 10:12 AM

.........

Posted by: spartacus Mar 20 2020, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 20 2020, 09:06 AM) *
On a plus side no one is discussing post brexit.

However you just KNOW that the December 31 2020 date is going to be pushed back.



[Edit] ]Well, that DATE won't change but that's when the transition period is meant to end....

And 1st May is when the EU is meant to have its negotiating mandate in place (following agreement at the February 25 Council of the EU). That's going to change as well...

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 20 2020, 12:55 PM

See the government advice to the public not to panic buy has not reached the ears of Sainsbury's clientele. No toilet paper, pasta,rice,biscuits,cooking sauce,tea,coffee,bottled water, and that was just those lines that one normally buys over the course of time.
Waste of time going out, but staying at home is the only effing stupid advice that they seem capable of giving. angry.gif


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 20 2020, 02:44 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 20 2020, 12:55 PM) *
See the government advice to the public not to panic buy has not reached the ears of Sainsbury's clientele. No toilet paper, pasta,rice,biscuits,cooking sauce,tea,coffee,bottled water, and that was just those lines that one normally buys over the course of time.
Waste of time going out, but staying at home is the only effing stupid advice that they seem capable of giving. angry.gif


They need to take away the trolleys. Just leave baskets. That will stop the fookers...they are actually increasing everyone elses risk as well as you have to go to multiple stores.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 20 2020, 03:31 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 20 2020, 02:44 PM) *
They need to take away the trolleys. Just leave baskets. That will stop the fookers...they are actually increasing everyone elses risk as well as you have to go to multiple stores.


My thoughts exactly. If I go into the shop for a packet of X and is not in stock then I have to journey to another retailer and another until I actually source it. Now I may have come into contact with maybe a hundred people as opposed to 20 if it was on the initial shelf. They are just not thinking this problem out which is more worrying than the possibility of catching the virus because if they can't plan this how would they manage a real invasion?
The slight glimmer of relief is the thought that it could have been clown Corbyn running things.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 20 2020, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 20 2020, 03:31 PM) *
My thoughts exactly. If I go into the shop for a packet of X and is not in stock then I have to journey to another retailer and another until I actually source it. Now I may have come into contact with maybe a hundred people as opposed to 20 if it was on the initial shelf. They are just not thinking this problem out which is more worrying than the possibility of catching the virus because if they can't plan this how would they manage a real invasion?
The slight glimmer of relief is the thought that it could have been clown Corbyn running things.


350000 dead in the UK would be my guess. And a million unable to work again in the 1st wave. Next Winter 2.5M dead. 2 weeks from now you will know what a world of sh1t we are in.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 21 2020, 09:03 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 20 2020, 11:30 PM) *
350000 dead in the UK would be my guess. And a million unable to work again in the 1st wave. Next Winter 2.5M dead. 2 weeks from now you will know what a world of sh1t we are in.


Maybe that's the reason why the patronage of this forum has diminished. We are the only two left. Anyone into gambling taken note of the odds on our survival? They are seldom wrong in their evaluation.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 21 2020, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 21 2020, 09:03 AM) *
Maybe that's the reason why the patronage of this forum has diminished. We are the only two left. Anyone into gambling taken note of the odds on our survival? They are seldom wrong in their evaluation.


Je Suis is on his boat with 6 months of supplies and Newres is still crying about the election result.😂

Posted by: bonnie Mar 21 2020, 09:52 AM

I'm still here keeping an eye on you all blink.gif ph34r.gif .Just wanted to say a big thank you to Clare,Michelle and Nicky,the younger members in our close looking out for us old dears.Bless you all.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 21 2020, 12:52 PM

QUOTE (bonnie @ Mar 21 2020, 09:52 AM) *
I'm still here keeping an eye on you all blink.gif ph34r.gif .Just wanted to say a big thank you to Clare,Michelle and Nicky,the younger members in our close looking out for us old dears.Bless you all.


Nice to hear a few positives amongst the crass behaviour being presented by the masses. Seems the "older" generation are far more phlegmatic in the face of adversity, maybe because we have seen it all before and survived, but a lot of the next generation are equally behaving in a sensible manner.

Anyway stay safe and when this is over you will know who your friends really are.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 21 2020, 12:59 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 21 2020, 09:51 AM) *
Je Suis is on his boat with 6 months of supplies and Newres is still crying about the election result.😂


Apparently North Korea has no "official" recorded cases so maybe that's where he has headed off to? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 21 2020, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 21 2020, 12:59 PM) *
Apparently North Korea has no "official" recorded cases so maybe that's where he has headed off to? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

The virus is mutating.. the young uns are next.

Posted by: spartacus Mar 21 2020, 06:22 PM

John Lewis to shut from Monday evening..
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/29768/john-lewis-to-shut-newbury-store-from-monday.html
Debenhams was deader than a dead thing today so I suspect they won't be far behind. It's a real shame... I imagine it's costing them more in electricity to keep the escalators going than they're taking over the counter. Camp Hopson swiftly following? The demise of the High Street is ramping up a notch unfortunately.. The people living in the flats above the 'shops' in Parkway will soon be living above empty units. How long is going to take to recover from such a critical financial failure.

M&S foodhall was busy enough but the clothing upstairs was dead. How long before that area is closed off?

Time to make sure your supply of underpants and socks are in good order

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 21 2020, 06:45 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Mar 21 2020, 06:22 PM) *
John Lewis to shut from Monday evening..
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/29768/john-lewis-to-shut-newbury-store-from-monday.html
Time to make sure your supply of underpants and socks are in good order


I did exactly that last week and bought a couple of pairs of jeans there at the same time. I buy the majority of my clothes in M&S so really hope that section of the store does stay open.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 21 2020, 06:58 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 21 2020, 06:45 PM) *
I did exactly that last week and bought a couple of pairs of jeans there at the same time. I buy the majority of my clothes in M&S so really hope that section of the store does stay open.

Be 10000 a day in a week. Just in Italy... but hey..its just the flu... innit..

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-89-new-cases-in-wales-takes-uk-total-past-4-000-11961367

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 21 2020, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Mar 21 2020, 06:22 PM) *
John Lewis to shut from Monday evening..
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/29768/john-lewis-to-shut-newbury-store-from-monday.html
Debenhams was deader than a dead thing today so I suspect they won't be far behind. It's a real shame... I imagine it's costing them more in electricity to keep the escalators going than they're taking over the counter. Camp Hopson swiftly following? The demise of the High Street is ramping up a notch unfortunately.. The people living in the flats above the 'shops' in Parkway will soon be living above empty units. How long is going to take to recover from such a critical financial failure.

M&S foodhall was busy enough but the clothing upstairs was dead. How long before that area is closed off?

Time to make sure your supply of underpants and socks are in good order

Does seem a crazy situation when we have half the shops with no customers yet full stock and the other half with no stock and full of potential buyers. The further we get into this maelstrom the less confidence I have in Boris's handling.

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 21 2020, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 21 2020, 06:58 PM) *
Be 10000 a day in a week. Just in Italy... but hey..its just the flu... innit..

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-89-new-cases-in-wales-takes-uk-total-past-4-000-11961367


It is not just the flu and I am taking it incredibly seriously. However, there is always humour in every dark situation and the following is very funny:

https://youtu.be/Hks6Nq7g6P4

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 21 2020, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 21 2020, 07:49 PM) *
It is not just the flu and I am taking it incredibly seriously. However, there is always humour in every dark situation and the following is very funny:

https://youtu.be/Hks6Nq7g6P4


That is funny..saw it a day or 2 ago. In other news I had the minerals to wear an N95 respirator and gloves when I went shopping this morning..the comments and looks I got were..interesting...still dont think people have "got it"..

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 22 2020, 09:26 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 21 2020, 07:59 PM) *
That is funny..saw it a day or 2 ago. In other news I had the minerals to wear an N95 respirator and gloves when I went shopping this morning..the comments and looks I got were..interesting...still dont think people have "got it"..


Seeing more and more wearing either dust masks or scarves over their faces and I just wonder how big they think this virus is? The media is still pushing the government line of self isolation with the proviso of food buying, accompanied by film footage of elderly shoppers standing shoulder to shoulder in a bloody long queue. The irony being that the shelves are empty anyway which means some have contracted the virus for no return. Still when they have taken to their bed they won't have any appetite anyway.

Does anyone know if supermarket online deliveries are operating "normally"? May be the preferred option to get essentials.

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 22 2020, 02:08 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 22 2020, 09:26 AM) *
Does anyone know if supermarket online deliveries are operating "normally"? May be the preferred option to get essentials.


Supermarket online deliveries are not operating "normally":

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/best-online-grocery-shopping-sites-one-delivers-goods/

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 22 2020, 02:45 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 22 2020, 02:08 PM) *
Supermarket online deliveries are not operating "normally":

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/best-online-grocery-shopping-sites-one-delivers-goods/


Stupid question I guess anyway. Received a communique from Sainsbury's earlier advising me that they will be open Mon/Wed/Fri at 0800 to 0900 for elderly/disabled/NHS workers etc to get essentials, so we will see how that pans out. Bit reluctant to visit with a high concentration but may be the only chance to get food.

Just contemplating how much I need to "disable" myself to qualify. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Carshot Mar 23 2020, 08:31 PM

Falkland Doctor's Surgery has also "been forced to close for face to face" for two weeks or so due to widespread staff illness. Advice is to ring 111 in the meantime

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 23 2020, 10:59 PM

QUOTE (Carshot @ Mar 23 2020, 08:31 PM) *
Falkland Doctor's Surgery has also "been forced to close for face to face" for two weeks or so due to widespread staff illness. Advice is to ring 111 in the meantime

Yep. Expect they all have it. Do you know if the Chemist is still open? People need prescriptions or they'll have more than Corona to worry about!

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2020, 12:33 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 23 2020, 10:59 PM) *
Yep. Expect they all have it. Do you know if the Chemist is still open? People need prescriptions or they'll have more than Corona to worry about!

If you fancy spending half hour in a confined space with a dozen old people coughing and spluttering whilst talking about "her down the road who's no better than she ought to be, have you seen the state of her nets" then go ahead. Be my guest.

Posted by: Carshot Mar 24 2020, 08:35 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 23 2020, 10:59 PM) *
Yep. Expect they all have it. Do you know if the Chemist is still open? People need prescriptions or they'll have more than Corona to worry about!


Text from the Surgery did not mention the Chemists

Posted by: Carshot Mar 24 2020, 08:35 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 23 2020, 10:59 PM) *
Yep. Expect they all have it. Do you know if the Chemist is still open? People need prescriptions or they'll have more than Corona to worry about!


Text from the Surgery did not mention the Chemists

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 24 2020, 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 24 2020, 12:33 AM) *
If you fancy spending half hour in a confined space with a dozen old people coughing and spluttering whilst talking about "her down the road who's no better than she ought to be, have you seen the state of her nets" then go ahead. Be my guest.


I wonder what (not so) bright spark thought it would be a good idea to concentrate the most vulnerable group in their supermarket between 08.00 and 9? This group cough and splutter even on a good day so maybe they should re-think the strategy when a more viable approach is quite simple.
Met a bloke coming out of Sainsbury's yesterday with a trolley so laden that I doubt you could have added a cheese slice so I, admittedly in jest, asked if he had left anything for me, and the reply was hardly edifying. Seems we are fighting this on two fronts: the virus itself and the stupid public. Least the virus has no particular agenda to hurt us other than it does.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2020, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 24 2020, 12:45 PM) *
I wonder what (not so) bright spark thought it would be a good idea to concentrate the most vulnerable group in their supermarket between 08.00 and 9? This group cough and splutter even on a good day so maybe they should re-think the strategy when a more viable approach is quite simple.
Met a bloke coming out of Sainsbury's yesterday with a trolley so laden that I doubt you could have added a cheese slice so I, admittedly in jest, asked if he had left anything for me, and the reply was hardly edifying. Seems we are fighting this on two fronts: the virus itself and the stupid public. Least the virus has no particular agenda to hurt us other than it does.


Is everyone Ok on the forum? Hope ALL of you remain healthy. 👍

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 26 2020, 08:54 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 25 2020, 06:40 PM) *
Is everyone Ok on the forum? Hope ALL of you remain healthy. 👍


I can only speak for myself but fine at the moment thank you. Most are heeding official advice and staying in the house if practical but still an element standing in groups, (builders and in supermarket(s)). Some appear to think it is some form of holiday so they are having bar-b-ques or driving into the countryside. I have offered the service of my 12 bore to HMG in order to change their attitude. You know, shoot a few to persuade the many sort of approach, but as yet they haven't got back to me.

Stay safe contributors and readers alike.

Posted by: James_Trinder Mar 26 2020, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 26 2020, 08:54 AM) *
I can only speak for myself but fine at the moment thank you. Most are heeding official advice and staying in the house if practical but still an element standing in groups, (builders and in supermarket(s)). Some appear to think it is some form of holiday so they are having bar-b-ques or driving into the countryside. I have offered the service of my 12 bore to HMG in order to change their attitude. You know, shoot a few to persuade the many sort of approach, but as yet they haven't got back to me.

Stay safe contributors and readers alike.


It's interesting how "stay safe" has become the new "take care". Or in other words try your best to take steps to minimise your risk of illness/death.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 26 2020, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Mar 26 2020, 08:32 PM) *
It's interesting how "stay safe" has become the new "take care". Or in other words try your best to take steps to minimise your risk of illness/death.


Speaking of steps. Just wonder if those public spirited souls who think it a good idea to go for a stroll in the sun will wash their hands thoroughly after they remove their shoes having probably picked up the virus on the sole of their footwear? Not to mention carrying it to their neighbourhood. If we ALL adhered to the government directive we may just have reached the peak, but with a percentage of complete cretins thinking it's a wheeze, we are in for a long summer. angry.gif

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2020, 07:55 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 26 2020, 10:31 PM) *
Speaking of steps. Just wonder if those public spirited souls who think it a good idea to go for a stroll in the sun will wash their hands thoroughly after they remove their shoes having probably picked up the virus on the sole of their footwear? Not to mention carrying it to their neighbourhood. If we ALL adhered to the government directive we may just have reached the peak, but with a percentage of complete cretins thinking it's a wheeze, we are in for a long summer. angry.gif

There seem to be a lot of people who are unclear of the directives. Here they are:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others

1. Staying at home
You should only leave the house for very limited purposes:

shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible.
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.
any medical need, including to donate blood, avoid or escape risk of injury or harm, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.
travelling for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.
These reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.

These measures must be followed by everyone. Separate advice is available for individuals or households who are isolating, and for the most vulnerable who need to be shielded. Where parents do not live in the same household, children under 18 can be moved between their parentsí homes.

The Government has also identified a number of critical workers whose children can still go to school or their childcare provider. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work - if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.

Critical workers and parents of vulnerable children may leave the house to take children to and from school or their childcare provider.

Other critical public services Ė such as social services, support for victims, support provided by the Department for Work and Pensions, or the justice system Ė should be provided and accessed remotely whenever possible, but you can leave the house to access them when physical attendance is absolutely necessary. House moves should be delayed unless moving is unavoidable.

2. Closing certain businesses and venues
To reduce social contact, the Government has ordered certain businesses and venues to close. More detailed information and exemptions can be found here, including the full list of those businesses and other venues that must close, but they include:

pubs, cinemas and theatres
all retail with notable exceptions Ė these closures include clothing and electronics stores; hair, beauty and nail salons; and outdoor and indoor markets, excluding food markets
libraries, community centres, and youth centres
indoor and outdoor leisure facilities such as bowling alleys, arcades and soft play facilities
communal places within parks, such as playgrounds, sports courts and outdoor gyms
places of worship, except for funerals attended by immediate families
hotels, hostels, bed and breakfasts, campsites, caravan parks, and boarding houses for commercial/leisure use, excluding permanent residents, key workers and those providing emergency accommodation, for example for the homeless
Other businesses can remain open and their employees can travel to work, provided they cannot work from home.

3. Stopping public gatherings
To make sure people are staying at home and apart from each other, the Government is also stopping all public gatherings of more than two people.

There are only exceptions to this rule for very limited purposes:

where the gathering is of a group of people who live together Ė this means that a parent can, for example, take their children to the shops if there is no option to leave them at home
where the gathering is essential for work purposes - but workers should try to minimise all meetings and other gatherings in the workplace
In addition, the Government is stopping social events, including weddings, baptisms and other religious ceremonies. This excludes funerals, which can be attended by immediate family.

4. Going to work
As set out in the section on staying at home, you can travel for work purposes, but only where you cannot work from home.

With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close Ė indeed it is important for business to carry on.

Employers and employees should discuss their working arrangements, and employers should take every possible step to facilitate their employees working from home, including providing suitable IT and equipment to enable remote working.

Sometimes this will not be possible, as not everyone can work from home. Certain jobs require people to travel to, from and for their work Ė for instance if they operate machinery, work in construction or manufacturing, or are delivering front line services.

If you cannot work from home then you can still travel for work purposes, provided you are not showing coronavirus symptoms and neither you nor any of your household are self-isolating. This is consistent with advice from the Chief Medical Officer.

Employers who have people in their offices or onsite should ensure that employees are able to follow Public Health England guidelines including, where possible, maintaining a 2 metre distance from others, and washing their hands with soap and water often for at least 20 seconds (or using hand sanitiser gel if soap and water is not available).

Work carried out in peopleís homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a 2 metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyoneís safety.

No work should be carried out in any household which is isolating or where an individual is being shielded, unless it is to remedy a direct risk to the safety of the household, such as emergency plumbing or repairs, and where the tradesperson is willing to do so. In such cases, Public Health England can provide advice to tradespeople and households.

No work should be carried out by a tradesperson who has coronavirus symptoms, however mild.

As set out in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the Government has published guidance on which organisations are covered by this requirement. Advice for employees of these organisations on employment and financial support is available at gov.uk/coronavirus.

At all times, workers should follow the guidance on self-isolation if they or anyone in their household shows symptoms.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 29 2020, 09:45 AM

The information just posted by Newres is useful but is primarily targeted at the obtuse end of society who know absolutely nothing about how a virus works nor care. I would certainly impose more draconian measures such as shopping limited to two visits per week and only one family member, NO outside exercise such as walking/running/cycling or driving to the countryside to exercise fido, and certainly come down hard on those idiots who behaving in an anti-social manner towards those who have to work in the present environment. Spoke to a bloke the other day who was off to see his estranged children, when I pointed out the obvious risk he said " I'm healthy and it doesn't effect kids". FFS!!! Every idiot like this is adding a month to the problem and god knows how many deaths.

GET TOUGH BORIS or history may not look kindly on you angry.gif .......assuming there is anyone to write it rolleyes.gif

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2020, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 29 2020, 10:45 AM) *
The information just posted by Newres is useful but is primarily targeted at the obtuse end of society who know absolutely nothing about how a virus works nor care. I would certainly impose more draconian measures such as shopping limited to two visits per week and only one family member, NO outside exercise such as walking/running/cycling or driving to the countryside to exercise fido, and certainly come down hard on those idiots who behaving in an anti-social manner towards those who have to work in the present environment. Spoke to a bloke the other day who was off to see his estranged children, when I pointed out the obvious risk he said " I'm healthy and it doesn't effect kids". FFS!!! Every idiot like this is adding a month to the problem and god knows how many deaths.

GET TOUGH BORIS or history may not look kindly on you angry.gif .......assuming there is anyone to write it rolleyes.gif

Unfortunately though the leading scientists don't have your expertise to call on. I'll just do as I'm told.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 29 2020, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2020, 11:48 AM) *
Unfortunately though the leading scientists don't have your expertise to call on. I'll just do as I'm told.


Plenty of "experts" out there but it is the virologists, (past and present), you need to listen too. cool.gif

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2020, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 29 2020, 11:59 AM) *
Plenty of "experts" out there but it is the virologists, (past and present), you need to listen too. cool.gif

The government has sat on its hands over this. I was discussing and planning on how to lock up my 83 year old mum two weeks before the buffoon of a PM called his first Cobra meeting. This was preventable in this country.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 29 2020, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2020, 07:59 PM) *
The government has sat on its hands over this. I was discussing and planning on how to lock up my 83 year old mum two weeks before the buffoon of a PM called his first Cobra meeting. This was preventable in this country.

Quite agree. If we had closed the borders (all flights, trains and boats) in early January and had deployed the Navy and Army. I would hazard guess though that if this had happened what the reaction would have been from Femi and all the #FBPE crazies...not to mention you....😂

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2020, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 29 2020, 08:23 PM) *
Quite agree. If we had closed the borders (all flights, trains and boats) in early January and had deployed the Navy and Army. I would hazard guess though that if this had happened what the reaction would have been from Femi and all the #FBPE crazies...not to mention you....😂

Not from me. Iíd have supported it. Or 14 days enforced quarantine on arrival. The issue we faced was idiots saying itís no worse than seasonal flu.

Canít see why weíd have needed the military though.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 31 2020, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 29 2020, 08:23 PM) *
Quite agree. If we had closed the borders (all flights, trains and boats) in early January and had deployed the Navy and Army. I would hazard guess though that if this had happened what the reaction would have been from Femi and all the #FBPE crazies...not to mention you....😂


See the police are now being criticised for appearing to take a "heavy handed" approach on those taking a stroll out in the countryside with Fido. Doesn't matter about the poor sods who live and work out there angry.gif . On a positive the supermarkets had a record turnover for the month which will give shareholders the income to load up the 4x4 and take Fido for a walk in the........ laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 31 2020, 10:47 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2020, 08:35 PM) *
Not from me. Iíd have supported it. Or 14 days enforced quarantine on arrival. The issue we faced was idiots saying itís no worse than seasonal flu.

Canít see why weíd have needed the military though.


Can you imagine the state of the Channel if we had zero cases?? Would have been rammed full of smugglers and French and Spanish fishing boats full of migrants... we would have had to barb wire the beaches and only allow arrivals at specific landing points..

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 31 2020, 03:06 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2020, 08:35 PM) *
Not from me. Iíd have supported it. Or 14 days enforced quarantine on arrival. The issue we faced was idiots saying itís no worse than seasonal flu.

Canít see why weíd have needed the military though.


Do not under estimate seasonal flu. The difference with this little chap is that it has not been, (identified), in humans before and therefore is being transmitted at will. Those who have previously been exposed to "normal" flu or have received the annual vaccination are less likely to "incubate" the virus whereas Covid 19 goes from one person to another quite readily. The only way to stop it's spread is quite simply to keep contact to a minimum and that may need the military to implement if the idiot brigade do not adhere to the directives.

Seems the problem is that the government does not want to be accused of implementing a police state which is why they are using the "pleasy please " approach but that is scant consolation to someone who has lost a family member.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 31 2020, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 31 2020, 04:06 PM) *
Do not under estimate seasonal flu. The difference with this little chap is that it has not been, (identified), in humans before and therefore is being transmitted at will. Those who have previously been exposed to "normal" flu or have received the annual vaccination are less likely to "incubate" the virus whereas Covid 19 goes from one person to another quite readily. The only way to stop it's spread is quite simply to keep contact to a minimum and that may need the military to implement if the idiot brigade do not adhere to the directives.

Seems the problem is that the government does not want to be accused of implementing a police state which is why they are using the "pleasy please " approach but that is scant consolation to someone who has lost a family member.


Personally I would like to see a police state.

2.5 week lockdown. No one leaves any house.
250000 volunteers distribute food / medicines
At end of 2.5 weeks those 250000 go into 2.5 week lockdown.

Army / Police / Navy split over 5 weeks on street to enforce. Armed with tasers / firearms

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 1 2020, 12:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 31 2020, 06:01 PM) *
Personally I would like to see a police state.

2.5 week lockdown. No one leaves any house.
250000 volunteers distribute food / medicines
At end of 2.5 weeks those 250000 go into 2.5 week lockdown.

Army / Police / Navy split over 5 weeks on street to enforce. Armed with tasers / firearms


Since when did a government do the "sensible" thing? An elderly couple walked past the house earlier coughing his heart up and obviously not local. Now if he is in the early stages of infection he has left a trail of the virus just waiting for the next living host to latch on to. Meanwhile the death toll keeps rising and all they can waffle on about is increasing testing. angry.gif

Posted by: newres Apr 1 2020, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 31 2020, 11:47 AM) *
Can you imagine the state of the Channel if we had zero cases?? Would have been rammed full of smugglers and French and Spanish fishing boats full of migrants... we would have had to barb wire the beaches and only allow arrivals at specific landing points..

Donít let a global pandemic and loss of life get in the way off your usual racist xenophobic drivel. Spare a thought too for all the immigrants keeping the country going in the NHS and delivery services.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 1 2020, 02:43 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 1 2020, 03:22 PM) *
Donít let a global pandemic and loss of life get in the way off your usual racist xenophobic drivel. Spare a thought too for all the immigrants keeping the country going in the NHS and delivery services.

Don't let facts get in the way. Its people like you....the globalisation champions that I personally blame.🙄

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 2 2020, 12:31 PM

Don't forget eight o'clock tonite? Your weekly excuse to virtue signal.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 2 2020, 01:39 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 2 2020, 01:31 PM) *
Don't forget eight o'clock tonite? Your weekly excuse to virtue signal.

Put my bin out at 8 the other day and wondered why the neighbor's were clapping...thought they were taking the p1ss!

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 2 2020, 01:53 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 2 2020, 02:39 PM) *
Put my bin out at 8 the other day and wondered why the neighbor's were clapping...thought they were taking the p1ss!


They were. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 2 2020, 02:00 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 2 2020, 01:31 PM) *
Don't forget eight o'clock tonite? Your weekly excuse to virtue signal.


And then they can all congregate in Tesco's, (other supermarkets cater for idiots too),the following day and discuss how they have supported the health service. See there are still bunches of youths wondering about with nothing better to do so I'm guessing home schooling has it's dissenters.

Posted by: newres Apr 3 2020, 06:48 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 1 2020, 03:43 PM) *
Don't let facts get in the way. Its people like you....the globalisation champions that I personally blame.🙄

Our own government is responsible for our plight. They missed chance after chance to slow this down. Skiers at half term from France & Italy. Flights from China. All could have been made to quarantine for 14 days. Cheltenham, Liverpool v Atletico Madrid. They've been forced into doing the right thing every time. Testing is what's being forced on them now. But if you vote for a party that you know are lying to you, stripped of talent to deliver on those lies and really have only one issue, then you are a fool to think they are capable of handling a crisis on the scale we have now.

Posted by: newres Apr 3 2020, 06:50 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 2 2020, 03:00 PM) *
And then they can all congregate in Tesco's, (other supermarkets cater for idiots too),the following day and discuss how they have supported the health service. See there are still bunches of youths wondering about with nothing better to do so I'm guessing home schooling has it's dissenters.

I'm not clapping either. It's not my type of thing, but I appreciate what the staff are doing and didn't vote Tory which was the best thing I could have done to help the NHS.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 3 2020, 07:55 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 3 2020, 07:48 AM) *
Our own government is responsible for our plight. They missed chance after chance to slow this down. Skiers at half term from France & Italy. Flights from China. All could have been made to quarantine for 14 days. Cheltenham, Liverpool v Atletico Madrid. They've been forced into doing the right thing every time. Testing is what's being forced on them now. But if you vote for a party that you know are lying to you, stripped of talent to deliver on those lies and really have only one issue, then you are a fool to think they are capable of handling a crisis on the scale we have now.


You have a point but the same could be said about most large European Countries as well. It's almost as if borders work..

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 3 2020, 09:08 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 3 2020, 07:50 AM) *
I'm not clapping either. It's not my type of thing, but I appreciate what the staff are doing and didn't vote Tory which was the best thing I could have done to help the NHS.


I know it's not the time to be critical but the NHS is not the all encompassing institution we would have believe. Eye watering incompetence is twinned with a dedication unsurpassed, and throwing money at as is the Labour want will not solve the ills only encourage continuation.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 3 2020, 10:20 AM

Can you imagine the utter chaos if Abacus Abbott and Co had been unleashed during this disaster? "We predict twenty million ventilators to be ready last week, just in time for our planned NHS push on diversity and gender awareness training month. This has been planned for two weeks and is mandatory for all staff."

In a statement from #10 some old grandad said "I'm staying in bed with some warm milk till it all goes away, it's the Tories fault, death to capitalism!"

Posted by: James_Trinder Apr 3 2020, 10:28 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 3 2020, 09:08 AM) *
I know it's not the time to be critical but the NHS is not the all encompassing institution we would have believe. Eye watering incompetence is twinned with a dedication unsurpassed, and throwing money at as is the Labour want will not solve the ills only encourage continuation.


Yes, I'm inclined to agree. Even before all this happened I had an appointment with a hospital consultant, which could just as easily have taken place with a video call to save all the wasted time travelling, parking costs and time waiting at the hospital.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 3 2020, 10:52 AM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 3 2020, 11:28 AM) *
Yes, I'm inclined to agree. Even before all this happened I had an appointment with a hospital consultant, which could just as easily have taken place with a video call to save all the wasted time travelling, parking costs and time waiting at the hospital.

That's as much to do with antiquated IT as much as anything else....

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 3 2020, 11:33 AM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 3 2020, 11:28 AM) *
Yes, I'm inclined to agree. Even before all this happened I had an appointment with a hospital consultant, which could just as easily have taken place with a video call to save all the wasted time travelling, parking costs and time waiting at the hospital.


About 6 months ago a friend of mine kindly ferried an elderly chap to RBH for an appointment, (and we know how traumatic that can be), and in the course of the consultation he asked where he lived? Newbury came the reply, "Oh I'm going there tomorrow to see another patient". Now this lies at admin's door but just one example of unjoined up planning.

Posted by: newres Apr 3 2020, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 3 2020, 08:55 AM) *
You have a point but the same could be said about most large European Countries as well. It's almost as if borders work..

Explain what you mean? (I donít actually expect anything coherent from you). Weíre not in Schengen so we had more evident borders than any other country. USA has strict border control but have now surpassed official Chinese figures. Itís almost as if borders make no difference. The difference is government competence. Ours ignored the warnings, then came up with herd immunity and now has lost control.

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 3 2020, 02:33 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 3 2020, 12:38 PM) *
Explain what you mean? (I donít actually expect anything coherent from you). Weíre not in Schengen so we had more evident borders than any other country. USA has strict border control but have now surpassed official Chinese figures. Itís almost as if borders make no difference. The difference is government competence. Ours ignored the warnings, then came up with herd immunity and now has lost control.

Yes, what we really should have done is gone into a strict lockdown, just like Italy, France and Spain did, cos that would have stopped it in its tracks. Oh, wait, ok, as you were then.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 3 2020, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 3 2020, 01:38 PM) *
Explain what you mean? (I donít actually expect anything coherent from you). Weíre not in Schengen so we had more evident borders than any other country. USA has strict border control but have now surpassed official Chinese figures. Itís almost as if borders make no difference. The difference is government competence. Ours ignored the warnings, then came up with herd immunity and now has lost control.

Nice jibe at the start. Wouldn't have expected anything less from the Ask Sarkar of the forum. Well let's see.. I wished they had locked down in early January just so I could have gone back and read your posts saying it was "racist"....we see you..we know you..

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 3 2020, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 3 2020, 03:33 PM) *
Yes, what we really should have done is gone into a strict lockdown, just like Italy, France and Spain did, cos that would have stopped it in its tracks. Oh, wait, ok, as you were then.

PS..when even verhoftwat thinks the EU is failing you know it ain't limited to blighty.

https://mobile.twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1245693497253998592


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 3 2020, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 3 2020, 01:38 PM) *
Explain what you mean? (I donít actually expect anything coherent from you). Weíre not in Schengen so we had more evident borders than any other country. USA has strict border control but have now surpassed official Chinese figures. Itís almost as if borders make no difference. The difference is government competence. Ours ignored the warnings, then came up with herd immunity and now has lost control.

Note the date I started this thread by the way..


Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 3 2020, 04:46 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 3 2020, 02:33 PM) *
Yes, what we really should have done is gone into a strict lockdown, just like Italy, France and Spain did, cos that would have stopped it in its tracks. Oh, wait, ok, as you were then.

Don't confuse the poor boy, still could be worse, if labour were in charge they would still be holding meetings about 'is covid 19 binary?' And setting up centres where people who are upset could go for legal aide to sue the Tories.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 3 2020, 04:49 PM

I have to say, the opening posts on this thread seem eerily prescient.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 3 2020, 05:27 PM

Finally, and not a minute to bloody soon, they have removed the exception "taking exercise" from the government directive on what is permitted. If they are that desperate to keep their muscles in shape try walking up and down stairs 20 times an hour. Be interesting to see what happens this weekend if the sun comes out and how poor old plod deals with it.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 3 2020, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 1 2020, 04:23 PM) *
More hyperbole, "The death toll from the new virus, which is officially called 2019-nCov, now stands at 259. "

Still, don't let facts get in your way. 😁


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-residents-say-chinese-government-coronavirus-death-toll-is-low-2020-3%3famp



Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 3 2020, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 3 2020, 07:33 PM) *
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-residents-say-chinese-government-coronavirus-death-toll-is-low-2020-3%3famp


The Yanks are under no illusion regarding China's official figures and with the diplomatically challenged Donald in charge I can see a lot of flack flying before too long. China could lose 2 million and no one, except those concerned, would bat an eyelid so it seems this has a fair bit of mileage left.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 3 2020, 07:40 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 3 2020, 08:32 PM) *
The Yanks are under no illusion regarding China's official figures and with the diplomatically challenged Donald in charge I can see a lot of flack flying before too long. China could lose 2 million and no one, except those concerned, would bat an eyelid so it seems this has a fair bit of mileage left.

I suspect the China death toll is the number of people that have died
as a direct result of it. Anyone with an underlying condition wont have been included... so they have a get out clause...

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 3 2020, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 3 2020, 08:40 PM) *
I suspect the China death toll is the number of people that have died
as a direct result of it. Anyone with an underlying condition wont have been included... so they have a get out clause...


Bet a few leaders wished they had thought of that one. How many would have succumbed to seasonal flu anyway? Doesn't detract from the fact that these pandemics are always round the corner and when they do surface we are ill prepared. Can do nothing to prevent the virus emerging but we should have had a policy on hand to combat it.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 3 2020, 08:14 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 3 2020, 08:51 PM) *
Bet a few leaders wished they had thought of that one. How many would have succumbed to seasonal flu anyway? Doesn't detract from the fact that these pandemics are always round the corner and when they do surface we are ill prepared. Can do nothing to prevent the virus emerging but we should have had a policy on hand to combat it.


On the plus side for the NHS there will be a lot less very ill people at the end of this... an inconvenient truth..

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 3 2020, 08:35 PM

Just watched "Have I Got News For You". If you missed it well worth doing the catch up thing. When we lose our sense of humour it will be the end.

Posted by: James_Trinder Apr 3 2020, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 3 2020, 08:35 PM) *
Just watched "Have I Got News For You". If you missed it well worth doing the catch up thing. When we lose our sense of humour it will be the end.


I found it a bit weird, to be honest. It was still pretty funny though.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 4 2020, 04:09 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 3 2020, 08:32 PM) *
The Yanks are under no illusion regarding China's official figures and with the diplomatically challenged Donald in charge I can see a lot of flack flying before too long. China could lose 2 million and no one, except those concerned, would bat an eyelid so it seems this has a fair bit of mileage left.

Theee are 21 million less mobiles in use in China now than in October 2019. Strange that...

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 4 2020, 08:35 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 4 2020, 05:09 AM) *
Theee are 21 million less mobiles in use in China now than in October 2019. Strange that...


Maybe this virus has joined the 21st century and gone digital. laugh.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 4 2020, 10:35 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 4 2020, 08:35 AM) *
Maybe this virus has joined the 21st century and gone digital. laugh.gif

While according to some, 5G is to blame for the virus, yes really. I really despair.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 4 2020, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 4 2020, 11:35 AM) *
While according to some, 5G is to blame for the virus, yes really. I really despair.


About a week ago the BBC did a piece from Russia which included a doctor, (yes a doctor), who had set up her practice in a local church to see her patients because "god will not allow this virus to enter his house". I am not surprised it is getting out of control with this sort of thinking. The Hong Kong Flu outbreak in the late 60's killed around a million globally and I bet you would be hard pressed to archive a press cutting, but this chap has a great publicity officer and everyone is getting paranoid.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 4 2020, 03:29 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 4 2020, 03:29 PM) *
About a week ago the BBC did a piece from Russia which included a doctor, (yes a doctor), who had set up her practice in a local church to see her patients because "god will not allow this virus to enter his house". I am not surprised it is getting out of control with this sort of thinking. The Hong Kong Flu outbreak in the late 60's killed around a million globally and I bet you would be hard pressed to archive a press cutting, but this chap has a great publicity officer and everyone is getting paranoid.


Hong Kong Flu? Hang your head in shame you racist white old man...🤣

Posted by: newres Apr 4 2020, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 3 2020, 06:27 PM) *
Finally, and not a minute to bloody soon, they have removed the exception "taking exercise" from the government directive on what is permitted. If they are that desperate to keep their muscles in shape try walking up and down stairs 20 times an hour. Be interesting to see what happens this weekend if the sun comes out and how poor old plod deals with it.

No they havenít. Us that are still able can run.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 4 2020, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2020, 06:00 PM) *
No they havenít. Us that are still able can run.

I'd guess you would be the one passing me exhaling hideous amounts and sweating profusely...👍

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 4 2020, 05:52 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2020, 06:00 PM) *
No they havenít. Us that are still able can run.


You can run but you can't hide. cool.gif Every time you venture out you prolong the chaos that is our lot. Now I am hoping you are sensible enough to exercise away from people but not near remote settlements. This is an almost impossible ask but contact must be kept to a minimum. Just because some government spokesperson says you can go out once a day doesn't make it an ideal but I appreciate that we need to buy food etc, so combine the two and reduce your footfall.
It would appear that the slight ambiguity between the government stance and the scientific one is that the government is frightened that if the conditions are too draconian then they may have civil unrest to deal with. Even this evenings tv news showed vast crowds on Brighton seafront which is giving the police an almighty headache.

Be under no illusion this virus is nasty and we all need to play our part. We can't kill it outside the host so the best we can do is stop it infecting people and that can only be achieved by distancing.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 4 2020, 07:36 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l

I have just watched the above programme on iplayer and if you,like me, missed it first time round I urge you to watch. If anyone still thinks these viruses are not to be taken seriously this will change your minds.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 4 2020, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 4 2020, 08:36 PM) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l

I have just watched the above programme on iplayer and if you,like me, missed it first time round I urge you to watch. If anyone still thinks these viruses are not to be taken seriously this will change your minds.


Nothing to worry about till next Winter Sir Will. Greta will be happy though.👍

Posted by: newres Apr 5 2020, 06:34 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 4 2020, 06:33 PM) *
I'd guess you would be the one passing me exhaling hideous amounts and sweating profusely...👍

Probably fatty. laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 5 2020, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 4 2020, 08:58 PM) *
Nothing to worry about till next Winter Sir Will. Greta will be happy though.👍


Whatever catastrophe comes along it always has a beneficial side. The eco warriors have taken refuge in their second homes in the middle of Wales and "queen elect" Nicola has not mentioned Scottish independence once.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 5 2020, 09:39 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 5 2020, 07:34 AM) *
Probably fatty. laugh.gif

11st fella and my BMI is fine. Hope you art least cross the road when you slowly pass people on your run. When I walk up the hill to the local shop I sometimes walk past "runners"...🤣🤣

Anyway..enjoy it while you can...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035


Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 5 2020, 11:42 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 5 2020, 10:39 AM) *
11st fella and my BMI is fine. Hope you art least cross the road when you slowly pass people on your run. When I walk up the hill to the local shop I sometimes walk past "runners"...🤣🤣

Anyway..enjoy it while you can...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035


Not part of my knowledge but I would think that a runner or cyclist was more at risk of contamination than a walker. They are, after all, going through the viral soup quicker so anything in the atmosphere would still be at face level before drifting to earth.

Posted by: newres Apr 5 2020, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 5 2020, 10:39 AM) *
11st fella and my BMI is fine. Hope you art least cross the road when you slowly pass people on your run. When I walk up the hill to the local shop I sometimes walk past "runners"...🤣🤣

Anyway..enjoy it while you can...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52172035

The problem weíve got is people confusing exercise with leisure. There are families filling the lanes and footpaths whoíve never walked further than the car park to Pizza Hut out for a stroll. The government needs to define it. Easy enough really. A brisk walk, a run or a bike ride. Maximum two or even alone only. For some, proper exercise is an important part of mental well-being. Thereíd have to be the odd exception - single parents for example, but it needs a bit more definition.

Posted by: newres Apr 5 2020, 12:51 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 5 2020, 12:42 PM) *
Not part of my knowledge but I would think that a runner or cyclist was more at risk of contamination than a walker. They are, after all, going through the viral soup quicker so anything in the atmosphere would still be at face level before drifting to earth.

Not sure about that. Weíre very lucky here though as itís easy to get into the countryside for a run. Iíve stopped using the tow path as social distancing requires too much effort.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 5 2020, 02:27 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 5 2020, 01:51 PM) *
Not sure about that. Weíre very lucky here though as itís easy to get into the countryside for a run. Iíve stopped using the tow path as social distancing requires too much effort.


This is where an element of conflict comes into play. Now I walk to the shop(s), roughly 2 miles and therefore 2 back which is a nice stroll, but at the moment I am combining the two twice a week to stretch my legs and get food. This means I come in contact with those just out for a walk who otherwise drive to the shop. I have no alternative but a lot do. I am no more at risk of getting it than anyone else in this respect but I have no family to look after me if go down with it and I am certainly not calling an ambulance. So you can understand my frustration with those who are not taking it seriously. I am in no way inferring that you fall into this category but a section of society still does.

Posted by: newres Apr 5 2020, 03:04 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 5 2020, 03:27 PM) *
This is where an element of conflict comes into play. Now I walk to the shop(s), roughly 2 miles and therefore 2 back which is a nice stroll, but at the moment I am combining the two twice a week to stretch my legs and get food. This means I come in contact with those just out for a walk who otherwise drive to the shop. I have no alternative but a lot do. I am no more at risk of getting it than anyone else in this respect but I have no family to look after me if go down with it and I am certainly not calling an ambulance. So you can understand my frustration with those who are not taking it seriously. I am in no way inferring that you fall into this category but a section of society still does.

Iím in agreement to a large extent. People that donít normally exercise are using the exercise justification to go out with the family. The fields near me are ridiculous at the moment. Filled with people Iíve never seen before. I kinda resent it but I realise Iím being a knob head and give myself a kick for being one. On the whole people are social distancing and behaving responsibly although there are exceptions. Families not going into single file when coming across people coming the other way is the most obvious example.

Fair play to you SirW for walking four miles to shop. Not many like to walk these days.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 5 2020, 05:10 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 5 2020, 04:04 PM) *
Iím in agreement to a large extent. People that donít normally exercise are using the exercise justification to go out with the family. The fields near me are ridiculous at the moment. Filled with people Iíve never seen before. I kinda resent it but I realise Iím being a knob head and give myself a kick for being one. On the whole people are social distancing and behaving responsibly although there are exceptions. Families not going into single file when coming across people coming the other way is the most obvious example.

Fair play to you SirW for walking four miles to shop. Not many like to walk these days.


I walk pretty much everywhere .(hence my BMI) and power walk. Have cut down though and always wear a mask and gloves when shopping. Masks work. South Korea shows this. Hopefully British paranoia (me included) about face covering will cease after this.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 5 2020, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 5 2020, 06:10 PM) *
I walk pretty much everywhere .(hence my BMI) and power walk. Have cut down though and always wear a mask and gloves when shopping. Masks work. South Korea shows this. Hopefully British paranoia (me included) about face covering will cease after this.


When you say "mask" I assume you are talking either surgical mask or N95 respirator? NOT the industrial dust mask obtainable from DIY outlets? Personally I would say that wearing the wrong type of mask is more problematic than none as it is a handy medium for the virus to latch onto before being ingested via the airways.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 5 2020, 06:10 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 5 2020, 06:57 PM) *
When you say "mask" I assume you are talking either surgical mask or N95 respirator? NOT the industrial dust mask obtainable from DIY outlets? Personally I would say that wearing the wrong type of mask is more problematic than none as it is a handy medium for the virus to latch onto before being ingested via the airways.

I have both N95 and FFP3 respirators. I bought them in January as I could see what was going to happen...just dont reuse them multiple times. I also gave some up to front line workers.

Posted by: newres Apr 6 2020, 04:53 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 5 2020, 07:10 PM) *
I have both N95 and FFP3 respirators. I bought them in January as I could see what was going to happen...just dont reuse them multiple times. I also gave some up to front line workers.

I havenít been to a supermarket or town since this started. Iíve actually just ordered 100 surgical masks (smallest number available) which Iíll distribute among extended family but masks are only really effective if everyone wears them. That said I think I read a surgical mask is 90% effective as a defence.

As for exercise my current regime is 4 runs a week and a long country walk (10 miles or so) at the weekend. We walk from home I should add and once we get 1/2 mile away we barely see a soul but the first 1/2 mile is very busy.

Posted by: James_Trinder Apr 6 2020, 07:23 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 6 2020, 05:53 AM) *
I havenít been to a supermarket or town since this started.


I actually live not far from Northbrook Street so town is difficult to avoid for me but I also haven't visited a supermarket since the lockdown came into effect. I would rather pay a premium at a corner shop e.g. One Stop, Premier than have to queue to get in and make an active effort to stay 2 metres away from everybody else while I am shopping. However, I do accept that many people are not as fortunate as myself and have no real choice financially but to visit a supermarket in order to save their money.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 6 2020, 08:15 AM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 6 2020, 08:23 AM) *
I actually live not far from Northbrook Street so town is difficult to avoid for me but I also haven't visited a supermarket since the lockdown came into effect. I would rather pay a premium at a corner shop e.g. One Stop, Premier than have to queue to get in and make an active effort to stay 2 metres away from everybody else while I am shopping. However, I do accept that many people are not as fortunate as myself and have no real choice financially but to visit a supermarket in order to save their money.


I agree that the "local" shop is by far the better option but the problem arises with choice. They do not stock fresh meat, bread is very basic and at the moment fruit and veg is limited. It would seem that the great unwashed are still buying more than they need which only exasperates the problem. I am going to the supermarket later but if I am confronted with a queue then I shall turn round and it will be bread and pullet for dinner. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: bonnie Apr 6 2020, 09:07 AM

Wow Sir William I haven't heard that expression for years,but as we lived in a cardboard box ,other medium available, we had dry bread and pullet laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 6 2020, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (bonnie @ Apr 6 2020, 10:07 AM) *
Wow Sir William I haven't heard that expression for years,but as we lived in a cardboard box ,other medium available, we had dry bread and pullet laugh.gif


Not had reason to use it before now. laugh.gif Just got back from a brisk walk to Sainsbury's and it was almost deserted. Still one or two gaps in the shelves and a few idiots who seem to think it ok to take up 3/4 of the aisle with their trolley but with a few fancy footsteps picked up from a certain tv series hopefully I returned unscathed. Most of the walkers had a pooch in tow so not to many out just for the sake of it.

Posted by: newres Apr 6 2020, 11:57 AM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 6 2020, 08:23 AM) *
I actually live not far from Northbrook Street so town is difficult to avoid for me but I also haven't visited a supermarket since the lockdown came into effect. I would rather pay a premium at a corner shop e.g. One Stop, Premier than have to queue to get in and make an active effort to stay 2 metres away from everybody else while I am shopping. However, I do accept that many people are not as fortunate as myself and have no real choice financially but to visit a supermarket in order to save their money.

We've started using Fishers delivery for fruit & veg.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 6 2020, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 6 2020, 12:57 PM) *
We've started using Fishers delivery for fruit & veg.

Statistically anyone moved to ICU has a 50% chance of recovery.
So I guess Boris is in real bother. Whether you agree with his politics or not I'm sure we all wish him to recover.

Posted by: James_Trinder Apr 6 2020, 08:55 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 6 2020, 09:39 PM) *
Statistically anyone moved to ICU has a 50% chance of recovery.
So I guess Boris is in real bother. Whether you agree with his politics or not I'm sure we all wish him to recover.


After seeing pictures of somebody I know in ICU who has now recovered I definitely wouldn't even wish this on my worst enemy.

Posted by: spartacus Apr 6 2020, 09:01 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 6 2020, 08:39 PM) *
Statistically anyone moved to ICU has a 50% chance of recovery.
So I guess Boris is in real bother. Whether you agree with his politics or not I'm sure we all wish him to recover.
It is a serious development with Boris. I wish him a swift recovery. The last thing the country needs now is this... turning into an annus horribilis for everyone already. Only just into April..

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 6 2020, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 6 2020, 09:55 PM) *
After seeing pictures of somebody I know in ICU who has now recovered I definitely wouldn't even wish this on my worst enemy.


Maybe those who are still not taking it seriously will wake up to the fact that this virus is not influenced by position/wealth/age/religion or anything else. If you come into contact you are at risk and how badly is down to pure luck, or lack of it.
We wish Boris well as everyone else who is in a similar position.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 6 2020, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 6 2020, 10:14 PM) *
Maybe those who are still not taking it seriously will wake up to the fact that this virus is not influenced by position/wealth/age/religion or anything else. If you come into contact you are at risk and how badly is down to pure luck, or lack of it.
We wish Boris well as everyone else who is in a similar position.

Quite. My company lost its first employee today to this thing. Not old. Not previously ill.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 7 2020, 04:53 PM

Bit of levity in these troubled times.



Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 7 2020, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 7 2020, 05:53 PM) *
Bit of levity in these troubled times.




The Ugandan approach to policing is "unique"... good on him!!

https://mobile.twitter.com/sehnaoui/status/1247516312915439616

Posted by: newres Apr 7 2020, 07:37 PM

I have two friends who came back from skiing with it. Both now recovered. I think I have it actually, but very mild symptoms. Minor fever and minor aching but Iíll probably never know for sure. Whatever Iím condemned to 7 days self isolation and the fam isolated for 14 days.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 7 2020, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 7 2020, 08:37 PM) *
I have two friends who came back from skiing with it. Both now recovered. I think I have it actually, but very mild symptoms. Minor fever and minor aching but Iíll probably never know for sure. Whatever Iím condemned to 7 days self isolation and the fam isolated for 14 days.


We wish you and your family well and trust you will still be able to "annoy" TDH on a regular basis.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 7 2020, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 7 2020, 08:37 PM) *
I have two friends who came back from skiing with it. Both now recovered. I think I have it actually, but very mild symptoms. Minor fever and minor aching but Iíll probably never know for sure. Whatever Iím condemned to 7 days self isolation and the fam isolated for 14 days.

Hope you're all ok.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 7 2020, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 7 2020, 09:07 PM) *
We wish you and your family well and trust you will still be able to "annoy" TDH on a regular basis.

It's just banter. Trust me... newres will be fine. Only the good die young. That's why your still here Sir Will!🤣

In all seriousness just rest up and hope you and the family remian well.

Be safe chaps.. and if you cant be safe..buy a pram.

Posted by: newres Apr 8 2020, 05:33 AM

Iím overwhelmed. 😂 Thank you.

To be truthful itís very mild if it is Coronavirus. Iíve had worse colds. Hopefully weíll have a test soon so we can know for sure whether weíve had it and start to get back to normality before the economy is destroyed.




Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 8 2020, 08:02 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2020, 06:33 AM) *
Iím overwhelmed. 😂 Thank you.

To be truthful itís very mild if it is Coronavirus. Iíve had worse colds. Hopefully weíll have a test soon so we can know for sure whether weíve had it and start to get back to normality before the economy is destroyed.


The severity of the illness is down to many factors including luck but hopefully you will now have resistance for the second stage outbreak should it happen.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 8 2020, 05:05 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2020, 10:14 PM) *
It's just banter. Trust me... newres will be fine. Only the good die young. That's why your still here Sir Will!🤣

In all seriousness just rest up and hope you and the family remian well.

Be safe chaps.. and if you cant be safe..buy a pram.


Better tell HM to have the telegram boy on standby then. laugh.gif laugh.gif Having received Boris's billet-doux on dealing with the virus I am thinking that "was an awful lot of expenditure for a basic information leaflet", but at least no one can now plead ignorance. Still seeing groups, albeit small, wandering about enjoying the warm weather but not a single police car.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2020, 06:43 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 8 2020, 06:05 PM) *
Better tell HM to have the telegram boy on standby then. laugh.gif laugh.gif Having received Boris's billet-doux on dealing with the virus I am thinking that "was an awful lot of expenditure for a basic information leaflet", but at least no one can now plead ignorance. Still seeing groups, albeit small, wandering about enjoying the warm weather but not a single police car.


My pet hate is the number of people who have now decided to become runners, when they obviously have not done so in years.. I see more joggers than walkers these days.. time for a Paris type no exercise outside rule soon.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 8 2020, 08:54 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2020, 07:43 PM) *
My pet hate is the number of people who have now decided to become runners, when they obviously have not done so in years.. I see more joggers than walkers these days.. time for a Paris type no exercise outside rule soon.


It will come because it has too. If only the stupid sods would realise that it is going to bugger everyone's chance to get out for an hour, if only to get some food. But of course the selfish have no concept of altruism.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 9 2020, 07:37 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 8 2020, 09:54 PM) *
It will come because it has too. If only the stupid sods would realise that it is going to bugger everyone's chance to get out for an hour, if only to get some food. But of course the selfish have no concept of altruism.


I wished someone would invent a taser that auto deploys if someone comes within 2 metres of you....😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 9 2020, 09:11 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 9 2020, 08:37 PM) *
I wished someone would invent a taser that auto deploys if someone comes within 2 metres of you....😂


You have hit upon the problem that I have with the present government directive. According the HMG I can go out for a walk with my family. Now if my family has say 5 members then we take up all of the pavement. Single person travelling in opposite direction needs to step into the road to pass anyway before a six foot distance is implemented. He is then run over by a car which, because of the reduction in traffic, is travelling at terminal velocity. If your name is on the list you are going to get your papers.

Both Tesco, (London Rd), and Sainsbury's had queues snaking round the car parks today. Came back home empty handed so will try again tomorrow in the hope that they will all travel off to the coast/hills/somewhere else despite what is being asked.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 10 2020, 10:03 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 9 2020, 10:11 PM) *
You have hit upon the problem that I have with the present government directive. According the HMG I can go out for a walk with my family. Now if my family has say 5 members then we take up all of the pavement. Single person travelling in opposite direction needs to step into the road to pass anyway before a six foot distance is implemented. He is then run over by a car which, because of the reduction in traffic, is travelling at terminal velocity. If your name is on the list you are going to get your papers.

Both Tesco, (London Rd), and Sainsbury's had queues snaking round the car parks today. Came back home empty handed so will try again tomorrow in the hope that they will all travel off to the coast/hills/somewhere else despite what is being asked.


Well that was fun. Got to Pinchington Lane Tesco at 0820. Waited in a queue of hundreds (some of whom were coughing vigorously). Finally got in the store at 0930. Home by 1030. Spent the last 1/2 an hour disinfecting shopping...

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 10 2020, 10:31 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 10 2020, 11:03 AM) *
Well that was fun. Got to Pinchington Lane Tesco at 0820. Waited in a queue of hundreds (some of whom were coughing vigorously). Finally got in the store at 0930. Home by 1030. Spent the last 1/2 an hour disinfecting shopping...


Like the good book sayeth "Man can not live on bread alone, especially if it is contaminated with the virus known as CV19"

Anyway I am going to wander down to Tesco shortly and then we will see if the can opener comes into use again.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 10 2020, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 10 2020, 11:31 AM) *
Like the good book sayeth "Man can not live on bread alone, especially if it is contaminated with the virus known as CV19"

Anyway I am going to wander down to Tesco shortly and then we will see if the can opener comes into use again.


Well folks have been to Tesco and the queue is still there. One assumes that it is still yesterdays and just keeps getting topped up. So once again had a nice stroll for no return. Met 3 persons of the female type, (probably mother and 2 daughters but who knows), en route walking abreast,(no puns please), who made no attempt to give way to the extent that my shopping bag actually brushed her dress. angry.gif angry.gif
I have decided to pen a new diet book entitled "How to lose half you body weight without trying". Hope to publish along with my other best seller "Queuing for beginners".

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 10 2020, 12:42 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 10 2020, 01:06 PM) *
Well folks have been to Tesco and the queue is still there. One assumes that it is still yesterdays and just keeps getting topped up. So once again had a nice stroll for no return. Met 3 persons of the female type, (probably mother and 2 daughters but who knows), en route walking abreast,(no puns please), who made no attempt to give way to the extent that my shopping bag actually brushed her dress. angry.gif angry.gif
I have decided to pen a new diet book entitled "How to lose half you body weight without trying". Hope to publish along with my other best seller "Queuing for beginners".


Well it's a choice my friend.. starvation or Covid...I do think in a few weeks people will just give up and restart the lives they used to have and if they get it and die..then so be it. I'm high risk as someone who suffers from bronchitis due to whooping cough as a young un. In fact I reckon I'm 50/50 at best if I get it. BUT, we cannot impoverish the next generation forever to save people like me.. bit of a quandry.. bet Corbyn is glad he dodged this!!

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 10 2020, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 10 2020, 01:42 PM) *
Well it's a choice my friend.. starvation or Covid...I do think in a few weeks people will just give up and restart the lives they used to have and if they get it and die..then so be it. I'm high risk as someone who suffers from bronchitis due to whooping cough as a young un. In fact I reckon I'm 50/50 at best if I get it. BUT, we cannot impoverish the next generation forever to save people like me.. bit of a quandry.. bet Corbyn is glad he dodged this!!


Not sure who is the most pleased, Corbyn who is out of the front line or Starmer who has nothing to do aside from make the odd tv appearance and mutter a few words in the knowledge that nobody gives a **** what he says at the moment.
Relaxing of controls, whether official or not, would at least reduce the manic buying and thus level out the population density, but I can't see it happening this side of the summer solstice.



Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 10 2020, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 10 2020, 04:22 PM) *
Not sure who is the most pleased, Corbyn who is out of the front line or Starmer who has nothing to do aside from make the odd tv appearance and mutter a few words in the knowledge that nobody gives a **** what he says at the moment.
Relaxing of controls, whether official or not, would at least reduce the manic buying and thus level out the population density, but I can't see it happening this side of the summer solstice.


What I love is all the people saying "the government dont have a plan"...does anyone??? We could stop covid in its tracks in this Country in a month. Dont think the liberals would like it though..

Posted by: newres Apr 11 2020, 01:41 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2020, 07:43 PM) *
My pet hate is the number of people who have now decided to become runners, when they obviously have not done so in years.. I see more joggers than walkers these days.. time for a Paris type no exercise outside rule soon.

In fairness to them, they probably used to go to the gym but obviously they are all closed. I know what you mean though.

Posted by: newres Apr 11 2020, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 10 2020, 11:02 PM) *
What I love is all the people saying "the government dont have a plan"...does anyone??? We could stop covid in its tracks in this Country in a month. Dont think the liberals would like it though..

I think they do have a plan. Herd immunity.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 12 2020, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 1 2020, 09:32 PM) *
Us thick brexiteers dont do facts fella. Surely you know that?
Though I did predict Trump, Boris and Brexit.
Next up.... a global pandemic. Maybe not Corona but something else like bird flu... gonna happen. It's a cert. It's in certain peoples "interests"...

Nostradamus me. Watch out for that Asteroid coming soon..(don't Google asteroid)..😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 13 2020, 02:04 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 12 2020, 07:32 PM) *
Nostradamus me. Watch out for that Asteroid coming soon..(don't Google asteroid)..😂


Haven't had either time or inclination to do the sums but I believe one is more likely to be hit by a meteorite than win the national lottery as it is considerably more so to have all life on earth destroyed by a virus than a nuclear holocaust, but in terms of public expenditure viral research is way down the list. It ain't sexy, it ain't cheap, but it sure as h**l essential.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 15 2020, 05:42 PM

It is estimated that 9 million workers are presently being furloughed so what does HMG sanction?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52293061

Even the "Monty Python" script writers may have not thought this one up. angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 15 2020, 06:11 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 15 2020, 06:42 PM) *
It is estimated that 9 million workers are presently being furloughed so what does HMG sanction?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52293061

Even the "Monty Python" script writers may have not thought this one up. angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif


Indeed. None violent criminals at her majesties pleasure should be doing this. I'm sure they'd rather be picking fruit in the sun, rather than being locked up in a covid infected **** hole. It actually sounds better than what I am doing!!!

Posted by: newres Apr 17 2020, 06:23 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 15 2020, 06:42 PM) *
It is estimated that 9 million workers are presently being furloughed so what does HMG sanction?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52293061

Even the "Monty Python" script writers may have not thought this one up. angry.gif angry.gif angry.gif

Someone in the industry was interviewed on LBC yesterday and said they had 30,000 UK citizens register for this work but we need 80,000. So in an economic meltdown we can't get half the workforce we need. Houston, we've got a problem. In fairness to our people, geography will be a factor. The unemployed have to be in the right places.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 17 2020, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 17 2020, 07:23 AM) *
Someone in the industry was interviewed on LBC yesterday and said they had 30,000 UK citizens register for this work but we need 80,000. So in an economic meltdown we can't get half the workforce we need. Houston, we've got a problem. In fairness to our people, geography will be a factor. The unemployed have to be in the right places.


I agree on both counts but it would be nice to know if a concerted effort is being implemented by those in charge to address the problem. Any form of harvest is based round the 3 fundamentals; 1. The crop is ready, 2, the weather conducive and the labour available. Now we have already witnessed the "speed" of HMG's response to most elements of this crisis and the last thing we need is a food shortage this winter owing to their ineptitude of management.

On a not dissimilar theme, I see certain factions are calling for the wearing of face masks to be made compulsory on public journeys yet hospitals and nursing homes etc are having problems sourcing enough for those who need it the most. Yet another example of how lack of correct information can "colour" the public's perception of matters. This virus, (and it's millions of cousins), is so small that the wearing of a face mask is akin to jumping out of a plane over the Pacific and hoping you land on an island. Even their official directive advocates using bleach on surfaces to "kill" the virus, yet it is not living until it enters the host cell so cleaning areas is more important than excessive use of domestos which will only pollute the waterways and add to our woes.

God I'm starting to sound like a grumpy old fart. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 17 2020, 10:55 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 17 2020, 07:23 AM) *
Someone in the industry was interviewed on LBC yesterday and said they had 30,000 UK citizens register for this work but we need 80,000. So in an economic meltdown we can't get half the workforce we need. Houston, we've got a problem. In fairness to our people, geography will be a factor. The unemployed have to be in the right places.

Except of course if they are unemployed they will be on benefits so can't work. I suppose they could come off benefits and stand around doing backbreaking work for the same (or less) money than they were getting laying on a sofa watching judge Judy. But hey! Tough choice.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 17 2020, 11:44 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 17 2020, 11:55 AM) *
Except of course if they are unemployed they will be on benefits so can't work. I suppose they could come off benefits and stand around doing backbreaking work for the same (or less) money than they were getting laying on a sofa watching judge Judy. But hey! Tough choice.


I see they are paying between 11 and £15 /hour which is not bad for 40 hours work. No idea how that compares with the dole money but I would say it was a better option. The problem is, as newres pointed out, the proximity of work to worker. This is where those with the numbers come in.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 18 2020, 09:03 AM

Simple question to those who know as opposed to those who think they know;

It would appear that we are running very low on PPE equipment, so with half the country sat at home watching tv, how difficult is it to utilise workshops/factories across the country to manufacture the gowns/masks etc required?

Local WI groups are sewing scrubs and some school kids are knocking out face masks on their Dad's 3D printer but, assuming one can obtain the raw material, wholesale production of disposable gowns and gloves should be a doddle with a bit of guidance from the the top.

I may be over simplifying the solution but surely it is better to be seen trying to do something, even if it fails, than to wait for some mythical cavalry to come to our rescue?

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 18 2020, 09:50 AM

A lot of this homemade stuff is so dangerous it should be illegal on the basis it can create a false sense of security, I watched an interesting video by a virologist and two nurses regarding masks and saying that pretty much most of them are useless. The virus is between 20 and 100nM across, 100ís of times smaller than bacteria. Basically, unless you have a properly fitted N95 mask which you cannot detect a strong odour through, face shields, dust masks, scarves, bandanas or whatever other bollocks are useless. The analogy was would you go into a room full of poison gas wearing these things? If not, what youíre wearing on your face is ineffective. Also, N95 masks are only good for about 3 hours. In extreme circumstances they can be treated with isopropyl alcohol for a few hours, autoclaved or treated with a UVC germicidal lamp. All of these techniques degrade the mask though and can only be used a finite number of times.
It's not as simple as it seems, also it's all pretty pointless as all PPE becomes ineffective if not used correctly and if you put on or take your mask off like Shinzo Abe does:

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... they may be almost useless even if they do stop you directly huffing it in your mouth and nose, because you're putting the stuff you're trying to keep off your face right onto your fingers, which you then use to rub your eyes, pick your nose, or yoink a bit of pork from between your teeth.

For the correct procedure, imagine that every piece of PPE has diarrhoea smeared all over the external (protective) surfaces.

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 18 2020, 09:52 AM

Ahh, should have been a file pic of said Shinzo putting on his mask, never mind, you get the picture. Except of course you didn't. Sigh.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 18 2020, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 18 2020, 10:52 AM) *
Ahh, should have been a file pic of said Shinzo putting on his mask, never mind, you get the picture. Except of course you didn't. Sigh.


I can see your very relevant point regarding face protection but my understanding is that ALL PPE is in short supply which includes the disposable gloves/aprons etc. Now I may be wrong in that assumption but it would be nice to know and if that is the case then manufacturing anything to a given standard is reasonably straight forward. We can no longer expect the world to furnish us with our requirements.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 19 2020, 02:44 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 18 2020, 01:06 PM) *
I can see your very relevant point regarding face protection but my understanding is that ALL PPE is in short supply which includes the disposable gloves/aprons etc. Now I may be wrong in that assumption but it would be nice to know and if that is the case then manufacturing anything to a given standard is reasonably straight forward. We can no longer expect the world to furnish us with our requirements.

Quite agree Sir Will. One thing that this has taught us is that globalisation is a disaster. We need to rebuild our manufacturing base and prop it up if necessary for the essentials. Loss making companies that are necessary in such a pandemic (pharmaceutical, PPE etc) should be underwritten by the public purse. It will cost a lot less than this sh1t fest. We also need to closely look at which countries we trade with and allow people in from.

Posted by: newres Apr 19 2020, 04:24 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 19 2020, 03:44 PM) *
Quite agree Sir Will. One thing that this has taught us is that globalisation is a disaster. We need to rebuild our manufacturing base and prop it up if necessary for the essentials. Loss making companies that are necessary in such a pandemic (pharmaceutical, PPE etc) should be underwritten by the public purse. It will cost a lot less than this sh1t fest. We also need to closely look at which countries we trade with and allow people in from.

Weíd surely only rule out trade with a handful of countries? China, Russia, Saudi Arabia spring to mind.

On the globalization thing. Would you be willing to buy a British Leyland type vehicle? Personally I like the choice. Iíd definitely like to see us consume more British produce, but I wouldnít want to be confined to seasonal fruit and veg.

But we definitely need to get back to having capacity ďjust in caseĒ. And Iím happy to pay more tax for that. But Iím not sure most Tory voters would be.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 19 2020, 04:38 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 19 2020, 05:24 PM) *
Weíd surely only rule out trade with a handful of countries? China, Russia, Saudi Arabia spring to mind.

On the globalization thing. Would you be willing to buy a British Leyland type vehicle? Personally I like the choice. Iíd definitely like to see us consume more British produce, but I wouldnít want to be confined to seasonal fruit and veg.

But we definitely need to get back to having capacity ďjust in caseĒ. And Iím happy to pay more tax for that. But Iím not sure most Tory voters would be.


In answer to your questions

1. Any country which contravened the norms accepted as basic animal husbandry..so China, South Korea etc
2. Any country that has an abhorrent record on human rights so Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc
3.This means no flights (apart from diplomatic) and no entry to the UK for passport holders of these nationalities.
4. Any country that has an outbreak of any unknown virus.
5. I would be happy to pay more tax, but ONLY to prop up companies (where needed) for manufacturing that benefits the health of the population (so cars no but pharmaceutical and PPE equipment etc yes).

This is a watershed moment. The world will never be the same again.

Posted by: newres Apr 19 2020, 04:43 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 19 2020, 05:38 PM) *
In answer to your questions

1. Any country which contravened the norms accepted as basic animal husbandry..so China, South Korea etc
2. Any country that has an abhorrent record on human rights so Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc
3.This means no flights (apart from diplomatic) and no entry to the UK for passport holders of these nationalities.
4. Any country that has an outbreak of any unknown virus.
5. I would be happy to pay more tax, but ONLY to prop up companies (where needed) for manufacturing that benefits the health of the population (so cars no but pharmaceutical and PPE equipment etc yes).

This is a watershed moment. The world will never be the same again.

But donít you work for Microsoft? Can you imagine Trump stopping trade with the countries you mentioned?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 19 2020, 04:58 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 19 2020, 05:43 PM) *
But donít you work for Microsoft? Can you imagine Trump stopping trade with the countries you mentioned?

I'm talking about the UK. We can't dictate policy to other countries. Hopefully air traffic should drop significantly now as well as people have been forced into Teams, Zoom etc and will now realise 80% of journeys are bot necessary. Apart from the awful consequences of this virus, it should also lead to a reevaluation of what we do and where we need to go.

Posted by: newres Apr 19 2020, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 19 2020, 05:58 PM) *
I'm talking about the UK. We can't dictate policy to other countries. Hopefully air traffic should drop significantly now as well as people have been forced into Teams, Zoom etc and will now realise 80% of journeys are bot necessary. Apart from the awful consequences of this virus, it should also lead to a reevaluation of what we do and where we need to go.

I wouldnít argue with much of that. One of the outcomes though ifs likely increased trade with our nearest neighbors. Now if we just had a free trade agreement and frictionless trade. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 19 2020, 05:07 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 19 2020, 06:03 PM) *
I wouldnít argue with much of that. One of the outcomes though ifs likely increased trade with our nearest neighbors. Now if we just had a free trade agreement and frictionless trade. laugh.gif laugh.gif

I knew that was coming... no reason not to trade with the EU though. Hopefully the imminent recession will focus the minds to agree a quick trade deal that is fiscally neutral and benefits both the UK and the EU.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 19 2020, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 19 2020, 06:07 PM) *
I knew that was coming... no reason not to trade with the EU though. Hopefully the imminent recession will focus the minds to agree a quick trade deal that is fiscally neutral and benefits both the UK and the EU.


This present little global strife has shown the stark reality of placing political ideology above the mass populace. If the EU had been run as straight forward free trade conglomerate then we would have handled this outbreak as a single unit with the best scientific advice leading it. But no, the leaders still wanted to lead.and look at the result.
Only yesterday tv footage from China still showed a "wet" market in the background with half dead animals trying to escape their torment. Do we deserve to survive as a species? If I had god's job for a day the answer would be very short.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 19 2020, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 19 2020, 08:36 PM) *
This present little global strife has shown the stark reality of placing political ideology above the mass populace. If the EU had been run as straight forward free trade conglomerate then we would have handled this outbreak as a single unit with the best scientific advice leading it. But no, the leaders still wanted to lead.and look at the result.
Only yesterday tv footage from China still showed a "wet" market in the background with half dead animals trying to escape their torment. Do we deserve to survive as a species? If I had god's job for a day the answer would be very short.


We've both been warning of this Sir Will for years on this forum..as you say you reap what you sow. If this had happened in today's globalised world...can you imagine?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/china/great-manchurian-plague-china-hnk-intl/index.html

Really think about it.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 19 2020, 09:21 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 19 2020, 09:15 PM) *
We've both been warning of this Sir Will for years on this forum..as you say you reap what you sow. If this had happened in today's globalised world...can you imagine?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/18/china/great-manchurian-plague-china-hnk-intl/index.html

Really think about it.


60,000 die as the result of a viral outbreak and the world asks questions, yet only 50 years prior over 30 million were slaughtered during the Taiping Rebellion and the same world did nothing. Seems man is quite happy to slaughter each other with impunity yet are expected to unite when a common enemy presents itself. Poses the question "Do we really want to save lives per se or just our family and friends"? We all know that if the world lost half a billion inhabitants it would not be a bad thing, other than the logistical nightmare, but can you imagine the hysteria.

Posted by: James_Trinder Apr 20 2020, 09:11 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 19 2020, 10:21 PM) *
We all know that if the world lost half a billion inhabitants it would not be a bad thing, other than the logistical nightmare, but can you imagine the hysteria.


This scenario has already been addressed in the world of fiction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers%3A_Infinity_War

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 20 2020, 12:02 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Apr 20 2020, 10:11 AM) *
This scenario has already been addressed in the world of fiction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers%3A_Infinity_War


Looks like a good xmas day film. laugh.gif It's always been in the back of my mind that one day some psychopath, (eg. Hitler / Pol Pot / Genghis Khan), will unleash a viral attack on the world. Now I know there are a lot of reasons why that is not a good idea but I am talking leaders who are barking mad not just evil. But of course we don't have leaders who fall into this category do we. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 20 2020, 02:53 PM

Who on here does not have a sneaky admiration for this Country?

https://youtu.be/0WKp9HQZsn4

Bet all the lefties have naughty thoughts over this young lady. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 20 2020, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 20 2020, 03:53 PM) *
Who on here does not have a sneaky admiration for this Country?

https://youtu.be/0WKp9HQZsn4

Bet all the lefties have naughty thoughts over this young lady. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/oil-prices-sink-to-20-year-low-as-un-sounds-alarm-on-to-covid-19-relief-fund

Currently as I type oil is -38$ a barrel. The suppliers will pay you to take it away...strange times.

Wonder how the Krankie from up north is feeling?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 20 2020, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 20 2020, 08:01 PM) *
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/oil-prices-sink-to-20-year-low-as-un-sounds-alarm-on-to-covid-19-relief-fund

Currently as I type oil is -38$ a barrel. The suppliers will pay you to take it away...strange times.

Wonder how the Krankie from up north is feeling?

Thought I'd grab a screen shot for posterity..

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 20 2020, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 20 2020, 08:01 PM) *
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/oil-prices-sink-to-20-year-low-as-un-sounds-alarm-on-to-covid-19-relief-fund

Currently as I type oil is -38$ a barrel. The suppliers will pay you to take it away...strange times.

Wonder how the Krankie from up north is feeling?


She's in her element with a regular spot on bbc at midday and something other than an independent homeland to rant over. My guess is that soon OPEC will be making an approach to the world bank for a few $trillion to tide them over. Assuming Branson has left any in the coffers.

Posted by: newres Apr 21 2020, 04:47 AM

Iíve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 21 2020, 05:24 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 06:47 AM) *
I’ve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?

I know, not good is it?
If only we had voted in Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Lammy et al we could have been out of this by now.

Bugger!!!!! tongue.gif

Posted by: Mr Brown Apr 21 2020, 05:27 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 05:47 AM) *
Iíve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?


Very well indeed.


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 21 2020, 06:36 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 05:47 AM) *
Iíve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?

https://mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/status/1252232764096516097

Highest % of the projected vote in political history. So I guess most people think ok.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 21 2020, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 05:47 AM) *
Iíve a question for the Tory voters. How do you think the government is doing at the moment?


Admittedly they were slow of the mark but half of our ills are down to the fact that the populace were even slower to adopt the distancing rules. We have all seen it and we are suffering the consequences. This virus "loves" high population densities and because of the incubation period of between one and two weeks little wonder it's become so virulent.
Would Corbyn and co have handled it better? Take notice of Starmer's contribution to the war effort and weep.

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 21 2020, 09:34 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/emilyhewertson

Posted by: newres Apr 21 2020, 07:19 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 21 2020, 07:36 AM) *
https://mobile.twitter.com/YouGov/status/1252232764096516097

Highest % of the projected vote in political history. So I guess most people think ok.

I think Johnson will be lucky to survive this. Itís been disastrous. Most people Iíve spoken to are appalled.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 21 2020, 08:21 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 08:19 PM) *
I think Johnson will be lucky to survive this. Itís been disastrous. Most people Iíve spoken to are appalled.


Far be it for me to defend any government let alone this but one has to ask serious questions of those who's job it is to co-ordinate the logistics surrounding this little glitch in our otherwise sanitised lives.
Who told HMG that we had ample supplies of PPE when it is patently obvious we never did?
Who "conveniently" overlooked that the most vulnerable, ie those in nursing homes, would need the most protection?
Who allowed supermarkets to initially allow people to clear the shelves at the expense of the elderly, and by doing so encourage long queues to form in contrary of the distancing advice?

The list is endless and most of these issues should have been raised by senior civil servants so the respective minister could act accordingly.

If evidence comes to light that the government was well aware then your analogy will be correct and they are deserving of all our vitriol, but I think they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 21 2020, 08:48 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 21 2020, 09:21 PM) *
Far be it for me to defend any government let alone this but one has to ask serious questions of those who's job it is to co-ordinate the logistics surrounding this little glitch in our otherwise sanitised lives.
Who told HMG that we had ample supplies of PPE when it is patently obvious we never did?
Who "conveniently" overlooked that the most vulnerable, ie those in nursing homes, would need the most protection?
Who allowed supermarkets to initially allow people to clear the shelves at the expense of the elderly, and by doing so encourage long queues to form in contrary of the distancing advice?

The list is endless and most of these issues should have been raised by senior civil servants so the respective minister could act accordingly.

If evidence comes to light that the government was well aware then your analogy will be correct and they are deserving of all our vitriol, but I think they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Should we have locked down in January. Yes.
Should we have closed the borders to all traffic apart from trade. Yes.
Would the government have been called "racists" and "dictators" by the #fbpe cult and all the left wing commentators. Yes.

The pandemic has shed a light on the disaster that is globalisation.
It has also shed a light on how poor most of the world are in dealing with such an outbreak.

The WHO need to not accept any stories from states about pathogens / viruses as well and visit ground zero when these things hit. China did lie. And the WHO bought it.


Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 21 2020, 11:49 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 21 2020, 08:19 PM) *
I think Johnson will be lucky to survive this. It’s been disastrous. Most people I’ve spoken to are appalled.

Well thankfully, the opinions of the kind of left wing window licking soschuul meja haunting idiots you're likely to know bare little weight and even less importance.

Posted by: newres Apr 22 2020, 04:49 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 21 2020, 09:48 PM) *
Should we have locked down in January. Yes.
Should we have closed the borders to all traffic apart from trade. Yes.
Would the government have been called "racists" and "dictators" by the #fbpe cult and all the left wing commentators. Yes.

The pandemic has shed a light on the disaster that is globalisation.
It has also shed a light on how poor most of the world are in dealing with such an outbreak.

The WHO need to not accept any stories from states about pathogens / viruses as well and visit ground zero when these things hit. China did lie. And the WHO bought it.

Strawman. No one suggested closingBorders in January.

Should they have joined the EU PPE and ventilator scheme? - Yes.
Would locking down a week earlier have saved thousands of lives? - Yes
Should those that die in care homes be counted as dead? - Yes
Are we continuing to allow thousands into the country a day unchecked? - Yes
Should Boris Johnson have attended Cobra meetings sooner? - Yes
Is the truth important? - Yes

You are clearly on the extreme right of politics and buy into conspiracy nonsense.

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 22 2020, 05:46 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 21 2020, 11:49 PM) *
Well thankfully, the opinions of the kind of left wing window licking soschuul meja haunting idiots you're likely to know bare little weight and even less importance.

You forgot 'remoaner", by the way.

Posted by: Mr Brown Apr 22 2020, 05:54 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 22 2020, 05:49 AM) *
Strawman. No one suggested closingBorders in January.

Should they have joined the EU PPE and ventilator scheme? - Yes.
ÖÖ..Looks as if we did join, misinformation reflects badly on Civil Service

Would locking down a week earlier have saved thousands of lives? - Yes
Hindsight is always 20/20; and 'thousands' is an ungrounded number; misinformation again.

Should those that die in care homes be counted as dead? - Yes
They are, but in the formal national statistics. The 'hospital' number is for fast accurate comparator use and an international standard. Great pity we don't teach statistics and interpretation at school. WHO said testing is critical, testing is pointless without fast comparable and reasonably accurate statistics. The sluggish behaviour of the national statistics operation again reflects badly on the Civil Service.

Are we continuing to allow thousands into the country a day unchecked? - Yes
Really? ...and 'thousands'

Should Boris Johnson have attended Cobra meetings sooner? - Yes
Why? Johnson is actually being Prime Minister, something we've needed for a long time. The operation of Government is working very well and Ministers are now stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility

Is the truth important? - Yes
YES, and something that this crisis has shown is lacking in those who are actually paid to seek and defend it. The BBC and Guardian type reporting which has so damaged our political life should now be held to account. They are not the opposition; job in an emergency is to explain.

You are clearly on the extreme right of politics and buy into conspiracy nonsense.
Generally where there is a very serious threat to the state, parties come together. The paucity of thought and lack of leadership even now, in our opposition parties means this hasn't happened.

It seems we have been bounced into good governance but that has revealed the dire state of our politics and even more sadly, our senior civil service.


Posted by: newres Apr 22 2020, 06:53 AM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Apr 22 2020, 06:54 AM) *

Oh dear. No hope for you at all. I can tell you that most ordinary folk donít see it the way you do.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 22 2020, 07:15 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 22 2020, 07:53 AM) *
Oh dear. No hope for you at all. I can tell you that most ordinary folk donít see it the way you do.

I'll just leave this here...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/04/20/voting-intention-con-53-lab-32-16-17-apr

How DO YOU define most? Most in your social media echo chamber by chance???


Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 22 2020, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 22 2020, 08:15 AM) *
I'll just leave this here...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/04/20/voting-intention-con-53-lab-32-16-17-apr

How DO YOU define most? Most in your social media echo chamber by chance???


You can't argue with that can you. Strangely the two parties that one would expect to monopolise the media with their particular doctrine on the current position, the Limp Dems and Greens, are conspicuous by their absence, and as this poll shows are losing what little ground they held.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 22 2020, 10:12 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 22 2020, 07:53 AM) *
Oh dear. No hope for you at all. I can tell you that most ordinary folk donít see it the way you do.

These would be the same 'ordinary folk' who voted for Brexit then, oh and then reinforced that by giving the left the worst result since WW2. Those folk?

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 23 2020, 07:58 AM

An interesting development.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-tigers-and-lions-test-positive-at-us-zoo-11977342

Next thing we know will be millions of moggies being abandoned. rolleyes.gif This doesn't surprise me and I wonder why other species have not been identified as carriers but I guess we are so concerned with testing ourselves that the animal kingdom get's overlooked.
Most virus are species specific and only pose a problem when the mutate and subsequently cross the boundary but if covid 19 is shown to be endemic across all mammals then it's going to be a long year.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 23 2020, 09:00 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 23 2020, 08:58 AM) *
An interesting development.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-more-tigers-and-lions-test-positive-at-us-zoo-11977342

Next thing we know will be millions of moggies being abandoned. rolleyes.gif This doesn't surprise me and I wonder why other species have not been identified as carriers but I guess we are so concerned with testing ourselves that the animal kingdom get's overlooked.
Most virus are species specific and only pose a problem when the mutate and subsequently cross the boundary but if covid 19 is shown to be endemic across all mammals then it's going to be a long year.

Really? I call this bull**** clickbaitery. You watch, pretty soon it's going to be the fault of space lizards from dimension zero. People already believe it's caused by 5G so why not?

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 23 2020, 10:21 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 23 2020, 10:00 AM) *
Really? I call this bull**** clickbaitery. You watch, pretty soon it's going to be the fault of space lizards from dimension zero. People already believe it's caused by 5G so why not?


Which bit do you consider bovine excrement? The bit that says that once a virus takes on zoonotic properties it is a one way passage? Or the fact that this has come from the States where conspiracy theories abound?
I certainly am not suggesting that this came from anywhere other than SE China or is being transmitted by all warm blooded animals but if we infect our pets / farm animals etc then we have a real problem. Ask yourself how a tiger which is obviously in captivity managed to become infected? Only one answer and one we should not ignore.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 23 2020, 03:33 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 23 2020, 11:21 AM) *
Which bit do you consider bovine excrement? The bit that says that once a virus takes on zoonotic properties it is a one way passage? Or the fact that this has come from the States where conspiracy theories abound?
I certainly am not suggesting that this came from anywhere other than SE China or is being transmitted by all warm blooded animals but if we infect our pets / farm animals etc then we have a real problem. Ask yourself how a tiger which is obviously in captivity managed to become infected? Only one answer and one we should not ignore.

Go and get your patches!!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus


Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 23 2020, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 23 2020, 04:33 PM) *
Go and get your patches!!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus


Maybe the virus prefers a "healthy" host? I can see no scientific reasoning other than, as the report mentioned, that the bronchial tube cells having become coated in tar are less receptive to viral attachment. Bring back tobacco advertising.

Posted by: newres Apr 24 2020, 06:00 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 22 2020, 08:15 AM) *
I'll just leave this here...

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/04/20/voting-intention-con-53-lab-32-16-17-apr

How DO YOU define most? Most in your social media echo chamber by chance???

I don't have an echo chamber at all actually. I'd say a couple of things though. There's a tendency to rally round the flag in times of crisis. Also - the truth will out. Hancock yesterday was spouting about the new approach of test, track & trace as if it's their idea. The WHO and other leading scientists were telling the government this approacgh combined with an early lockdown in Feb would save lives. Did 25-30,000 people have to die to prove the government were wrong? It was obvious to anyone that applied their mind to it. The **** up will become evident to most normal folk eventually. Don't forget that the press have now turned on Johnson.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 24 2020, 08:28 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 07:00 AM) *
I don't have an echo chamber at all actually. I'd say a couple of things though. There's a tendency to rally round the flag in times of crisis. Also - the truth will out. Hancock yesterday was spouting about the new approach of test, track & trace as if it's their idea. The WHO and other leading scientists were telling the government this approacgh combined with an early lockdown in Feb would save lives. Did 25-30,000 people have to die to prove the government were wrong? It was obvious to anyone that applied their mind to it. The **** up will become evident to most normal folk eventually. Don't forget that the press have now turned on Johnson.


You should know by now that politicians in general and ministers in particular do not speak the same language as the rest of us. Most of the delay in testing was down to to the fact that the system was quite simply not in place to roll out across the land, but of course they were not going to admit that so when they say "we followed the scientific advice", please read "consecutive governments have failed dismally in preparing for something that regularly occurs but we had other things on our mind". Remember politicians are pretty obtuse or they wouldn't put themselves forward for a job that has more risks than the Somme in '16.
I still blame senior civil servants who's position is to advise but obviously they were more concerned with the honours and fat pension awaiting them.
The WHO has not come out of this with glowing colours either. angry.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 24 2020, 10:40 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 07:00 AM) *
I don't have an echo chamber at all actually. I'd say a couple of things though. There's a tendency to rally round the flag in times of crisis. Also - the truth will out. Hancock yesterday was spouting about the new approach of test, track & trace as if it's their idea. The WHO and other leading scientists were telling the government this approacgh combined with an early lockdown in Feb would save lives. Did 25-30,000 people have to die to prove the government were wrong? It was obvious to anyone that applied their mind to it. The **** up will become evident to most normal folk eventually. Don't forget that the press have now turned on Johnson.

Meanwhile, Labours efforts to defeat the pandemic,

BBC News - Coronavirus: Doreen Lawrence to head Labour probe on minorities
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52405243

They'll be opening committees next to identify its gender. 🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 24 2020, 11:34 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 24 2020, 11:40 AM) *
Meanwhile, Labours efforts to defeat the pandemic,

BBC News - Coronavirus: Doreen Lawrence to head Labour probe on minorities
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52405243

They'll be opening committees next to identify its gender. 🤣🤣🤣


Of course this virus is a card carrying member of the white supremacy group and the fact that minority groups are paying the ultimate price for it's racist bigotry is unacceptable. FFS!!! What with this obtuse bovine and the president of america suggesting salvation may come in the form of a daily dose of domestos is it any wonder we are struggling to cope with it. angry.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 24 2020, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 24 2020, 12:34 PM) *
Of course this virus is a card carrying member of the white supremacy group and the fact that minority groups are paying the ultimate price for it's racist bigotry is unacceptable. FFS!!! What with this obtuse bovine and the president of america suggesting salvation may come in the form of a daily dose of domestos is it any wonder we are struggling to cope with it. angry.gif


What are they going to do? Check out Covid-19s Instagram , Facebook and Twitter for any signs of right wing tendencies?. You dont need a bloody enquiry to work out why. Larger family groups in inner city densely populated areas, a tendency to be more friendly in greetings, a lack of vitamin D, obesity and a lower average salary resulting in poorer health. There...just saved tens of millions of quid.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 24 2020, 12:31 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 24 2020, 12:34 PM) *
Of course this virus is a card carrying member of the white supremacy group and the fact that minority groups are paying the ultimate price for it's racist bigotry is unacceptable. FFS!!! What with this obtuse bovine and the president of america suggesting salvation may come in the form of a daily dose of domestos is it any wonder we are struggling to cope with it. angry.gif


Tim Wetherspoon is rebranding for the pubs to reopen...

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 24 2020, 01:24 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 24 2020, 01:25 PM) *
What are they going to do? Check out Covid-19s Instagram , Facebook and Twitter for any signs of right wing tendencies?. You dont need a bloody enquiry to work out why. Larger family groups in inner city densely populated areas, a tendency to be more friendly in greetings, a lack of vitamin D, obesity and a lower average salary resulting in poorer health. There...just saved tens of millions of quid.


Well of course if you "reasonably" wealthy middle class individuals denoted 80% of your earnings and your house to those poor individuals who have never been given a fair crack of the whip owing to their ethnic background they wouldn't be in this position.
Shame on you middle england. cool.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 24 2020, 01:26 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 24 2020, 01:31 PM) *
Tim Wetherspoon is rebranding for the pubs to reopen...


Thinking of phoning William Hill's to see what sort of odds they are giving for a run on hospital admittance due to an ingestion of drain cleaner.

Posted by: Mr Brown Apr 24 2020, 02:20 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 07:00 AM) *
I don't have an echo chamber at all actually. I'd say a couple of things though. There's a tendency to rally round the flag in times of crisis. Also - the truth will out. Hancock yesterday was spouting about the new approach of test, track & trace as if it's their idea. The WHO and other leading scientists were telling the government this approacgh combined with an early lockdown in Feb would save lives. Did 25-30,000 people have to die to prove the government were wrong? It was obvious to anyone that applied their mind to it. The **** up will become evident to most normal folk eventually. Don't forget that the press have now turned on Johnson.


Not quite how I recall what was said. In fact, most people I know thought WHO was being unnecessarily obtuse. Hancock is actually doing a pretty good job, trouble is, our media reporters ain't. This morning, the BBCs reporter was deliberately trying to trip him up, woukdn't let him answer fully - so it's pointless having her trying to fulfill BBC duty to inform, rather it's actually dangerous. Sad to see even in this above politics crisis, we still suffer from fake and distorted information from those who purport to be unbiased.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 24 2020, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Apr 24 2020, 03:20 PM) *
Not quite how I recall what was said. In fact, most people I know thought WHO was being unnecessarily obtuse. Hancock is actually doing a pretty good job, trouble is, our media reporters ain't. This morning, the BBCs reporter was deliberately trying to trip him up, woukdn't let him answer fully - so it's pointless having her trying to fulfill BBC duty to inform, rather it's actually dangerous. Sad to see even in this above politics crisis, we still suffer from fake and distorted information from those who purport to be unbiased.


I have now reached a point where the two channels offering news at breakfast time are minus one viewer. It doesn't matter how may times the question is answered they still ask "When will the lock down be relaxed?" Or "Why don't we follow other Countries and wear face masks?"
The media have a responsibility to ask relevant questions and equally to relay government advice. The chief medical officer is the chap who has most of the answers so why question his judgement?

Posted by: newres Apr 24 2020, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Apr 24 2020, 03:20 PM) *
Not quite how I recall what was said. In fact, most people I know thought WHO was being unnecessarily obtuse. Hancock is actually doing a pretty good job, trouble is, our media reporters ain't. This morning, the BBCs reporter was deliberately trying to trip him up, woukdn't let him answer fully - so it's pointless having her trying to fulfill BBC duty to inform, rather it's actually dangerous. Sad to see even in this above politics crisis, we still suffer from fake and distorted information from those who purport to be unbiased.

The problem is the continuous lies from the government. The big one that is going to bite them is the EU procurement shambles where they risked lives for dogma and are now attempting to cover it up.

The fact that “most people you know” share your views on the WHO says more about your circle of friends than the WHO.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 24 2020, 03:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 04:28 PM) *
The problem is the continuous lies from the government. The big one that is going to bite them is the EU procurement shambles where they risked lives for dogma and are now attempting to cover it up.

The fact that ďmost people you knowĒ share your views on the WHO says more about your circle of friends than the WHO.

But still, the polls don't lie. The WHO certainly isn't the infallible beacon of reason that you and others seem to think it is. As for the press? People can see the bias in front of their eyes. Oh, and the polls don't lie.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 24 2020, 04:29 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 04:28 PM) *
The problem is the continuous lies from the government. The big one that is going to bite them is the EU procurement shambles where they risked lives for dogma and are now attempting to cover it up.

The fact that ďmost people you knowĒ share your views on the WHO says more about your circle of friends than the WHO.

The EU procurement scheme is a shambles. Nothing being delivered till 2021. Oh and I'd rather we had our own British owned companies based in GB producing the equipment. Or do you want to outsource everything still to the "globalised" or in other words slave labour world... if the tax payer has to fund it...so be it.

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 24 2020, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 24 2020, 05:29 PM) *
The EU procurement scheme is a shambles. Nothing being delivered till 2021. Oh and I'd rather we had our own British owned companies based in GB producing the equipment. Or do you want to outsource everything still to the "globalised" or in other words slave labour world... if the tax payer has to fund it...so be it.


The BIG question asked once we return to "normal" is are you prepared to pay in order to have home manufactured products or do wish to continue relying on cheap imports from the far east with it's (now obvious) shortcomings
Of course the irony is that those liberal lefties who advocate a global trading with countries that use a labour force with no legislative protection are the same as those who bang on about the minimum wage which makes our bottom end products uncompetitive .

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 24 2020, 06:16 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 24 2020, 06:28 PM) *
The BIG question asked once we return to "normal" is are you prepared to pay in order to have home manufactured products or do wish to continue relying on cheap imports from the far east with it's (now obvious) shortcomings
Of course the irony is that those liberal lefties who advocate a global trading with countries that use a labour force with no legislative protection are the same as those who bang on about the minimum wage which makes our bottom end products uncompetitive .

Happy to pay fella through tax to prop up loss making manufacturing that is essential. We wouldn't be able to do that in the EU due to unfair competition rules. But we can out of it. 👍
Newres seems to want to continue to employ slave labour in far away lands so he can still get his cheap ****. Not sure who the lefty is anymore and who the right wing capitalist is?😂

Posted by: newres Apr 24 2020, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 24 2020, 05:29 PM) *
The EU procurement scheme is a shambles. Nothing being delivered till 2021. Oh and I'd rather we had our own British owned companies based in GB producing the equipment. Or do you want to outsource everything still to the "globalised" or in other words slave labour world... if the tax payer has to fund it...so be it.

Fake news. The first deliveries are expected imminently.

Whereís the Dyson and JCB ventilators?

Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 24 2020, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 07:01 PM) *
Fake news. The first deliveries are expected imminently.

Whereís the Dyson and JCB ventilators?

Not needed now, thanks to superb handling of crisis. If you're trying to be clever at least keep up. Boy.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 24 2020, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 08:01 PM) *
Fake news. The first deliveries are expected imminently.

Whereís the Dyson and JCB ventilators?

What a moronic wankstain. No news feeds on your council estate then?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 24 2020, 10:14 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 24 2020, 08:01 PM) *
Fake news. The first deliveries are expected imminently.

Whereís the Dyson and JCB ventilators?


Just in time for Italy and Spain..not...the EU completely cocked up and cant even get there sh1t together on a bailout. Even Verhoftwat has been criticising the EU. That' says it all.👍


Posted by: newres Apr 25 2020, 09:23 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 24 2020, 08:28 PM) *
Not needed now, thanks to superb handling of crisis. If you're trying to be clever at least keep up. Boy.

Not needed because we're leaving the elderly to die in care homes.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 25 2020, 09:46 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 25 2020, 10:23 AM) *
Not needed because we're leaving the elderly to die in care homes.

Like we always have for the last few decades??

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 25 2020, 11:47 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 25 2020, 10:46 AM) *
Like we always have for the last few decades??


All of a sudden the great unwashed and their respected (sic) leaders are showing concern for a group that have been on the receiving end of bugger all over the years, (apart from having their house taken), but now everyone is their guardian angel. Sorry I forgot the bit that limited PPE supplies to the staff but I'm sure that was just an over sight.
The simple fact remains that if social distancing had been rigorously observed we would be out of this by now with a fraction of the deaths but oh no the public aren't that stupid. angry.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 25 2020, 02:05 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 25 2020, 12:47 PM) *
All of a sudden the great unwashed and their respected (sic) leaders are showing concern for a group that have been on the receiving end of bugger all over the years, (apart from having their house taken), but now everyone is their guardian angel. Sorry I forgot the bit that limited PPE supplies to the staff but I'm sure that was just an over sight.
The simple fact remains that if social distancing had been rigorously observed we would be out of this by now with a fraction of the deaths but oh no the public aren't that stupid. angry.gif


Exactly my point. I looked after my elderly Mum for years at home. No way she was going into one of those homes. When she was admitted it was into a rainbow room and she lasted 4 weeks. It pisses me off when these liberal types get all high and mighty about care homes when most of them would put there mothers in a home ar a drop of a hat. I gave up years of my life...as she had spent many years doing the same for me.. I wonder if Newres did or would?

Posted by: newres Apr 25 2020, 03:44 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 25 2020, 10:46 AM) *
Like we always have for the last few decades??

Have we had viruses traveling through care homes and wiping out the residents before? How would your parents were in one? Iíve got a 95 year old aunt in one and itís terrible strain on her family that they canít see her and sheís very upset and doesnít understand whatís going on. Have a ******* heart you right wing ****.

Posted by: newres Apr 25 2020, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 25 2020, 12:47 PM) *
All of a sudden the great unwashed and their respected (sic) leaders are showing concern for a group that have been on the receiving end of bugger all over the years, (apart from having their house taken), but now everyone is their guardian angel. Sorry I forgot the bit that limited PPE supplies to the staff but I'm sure that was just an over sight.
The simple fact remains that if social distancing had been rigorously observed we would be out of this by now with a fraction of the deaths but oh no the public aren't that stupid. angry.gif

No. If social distancing were implemented two weeks earlier as recommended weíd be out of it. With thousands less dead.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 25 2020, 04:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 25 2020, 04:44 PM) *
Have we had viruses traveling through care homes and wiping out the residents before? How would your parents were in one? Iíve got a 95 year old aunt in one and itís terrible strain on her family that they canít see her and sheís very upset and doesnít understand whatís going on. Have a ******* heart you right wing ****.

Looks like I touched a guilt ridden nerve. Putting sick elderly relatives in homes is always a choice, no matter how poor you are. So **** off yourself you latte drinking, we need foreign labour to serve my coffee at a posh cafe in the morning cu*t. 👍

Is this you in drag?

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/837443190294642688

😂😂

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 25 2020, 04:35 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 25 2020, 04:45 PM) *
No. If social distancing were implemented two weeks earlier as recommended we’d be out of it. With thousands less dead.

Do me a favour

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 25 2020, 04:35 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 25 2020, 04:45 PM) *
No. If social distancing were implemented two weeks earlier as recommended weíd be out of it. With thousands less dead.

No, no we wouldn't.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 25 2020, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 25 2020, 04:44 PM) *
Have we had viruses traveling through care homes and wiping out the residents before? How would your parents were in one? Iíve got a 95 year old aunt in one and itís terrible strain on her family that they canít see her and sheís very upset and doesnít understand whatís going on. Have a ******* heart you right wing ****.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 25 2020, 05:19 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 25 2020, 05:36 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Newres would love this fella...

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdwardJDavey/status/1253882262715842560

How much virtue signalling can you do?
I bet he was glued to all the *****rs on #bignitein as well.
Shane a 99 year old fella walked round his garden and raised more money than the tossers in this show..😂😂

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