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Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 17 2011, 01:22 AM

Bloggo, TDH and Biker1 are going to love this.

It would seem he was charged with using a public electronic communications network to cause harassment alarm or distress. He will get no custody, not even suspended. It was reported that he wrote, "... Police deserve getting killed - I support any riot that targets police and property. All cops are scum. ...”

OK, I agree that language like this doesn't look like a call to arms, but I am not persuaded by the argument: It’s not particularly offensive; it wouldn’t grossly offend a normal person. ... tedious and annoying ... rather than an incitement to harm police ... the terms “cut up” and “kill” could have different meanings when used by young people.

I don't know about you, but if I were a policeman, I might find the comments disturbing and as a member of the public I certainly feel they are offensive views to post.

http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/News/Article.aspx?articleID=18387

Posted by: Squelchy Nov 17 2011, 07:45 AM

Bloggo has nothing to say, he was nailed to the floor in the previous thread about this. Pure hypocrisy.

The other two are just funny.

This teenager may not be the sharpest tool in the box, but he aint exactly a clear and present danger, or an ongoing menace to society. It's over £50.000.00 a year to keep someone in jail, so Bloggo would spend nearly a quarter of a million pounds to keep the rest of us safe from a non-threat. Laughable.

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 17 2011, 09:36 AM

So people do see sense after all. Most of us would agree with the sentiments; when was the last time you saw a copper and thought "what a delectable young fellow" as you quietly drink your shandy with Jenavive and a fox?

I use "kill" all the time, if I ask my Mum to do something and when I go to her house, she hasn't done it "ugh I'm going to kill you." It doesn't mean reach for the sharpest knife in the drawer..

Posted by: Neil Nov 17 2011, 11:46 AM

Offensive communications are fine The Communications Act only prohibits grossly offensive communications, or those of an indecent, obscene or menacing character.

I'm struggling to see why what he posted should be considered a criminal act, to be honest. Unwise, perhaps, and maybe offensive, but that's about it.

Posted by: Richard Garvie Nov 17 2011, 12:44 PM

Having read the comments, they are certainly stronger than what I was expecting.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 17 2011, 12:52 PM

I would be ashamed to post comments like those the person did. Perhaps this is in some small way an example of how respect has fallen within society. His comments also have to be put into context of the time. I'm not suggesting he deserves gaol, but given his reported contemptible attitude in court, I'm not sure a community order will be the end of it.

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 17 2011, 01:52 PM

I agree but have seen worse.

Posted by: stewiegriffin Nov 17 2011, 02:07 PM

He got off lightly. 4 years that the other similar offenders got was probably a bit harsh, but he should have been given a custodial sentence.

He's only 19, but has already got 2 criminal offences to his name now. That says plenty about the kind of person he is.

A few months on top for the spaz haircut wouldn't be a bad idea either.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 17 2011, 03:29 PM

Why drag me into this? But since you have...........
The country is full of these menaces. Letting them off scot free time after time will on exacerbate the situation.

True.


That's your opinion.
You are "funny" if you believe that.

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 17 2011, 04:55 PM

Well he has no prior convictions (or at least any which are of importance to be announced in court) - jail time for this would be a complete waste of Taxpayers money. Even a 6 month setance would cost more than the average persons income.....and just make the kid more angry.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 17 2011, 06:00 PM

How much did the vandalism and looting back in August cost us?

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 17 2011, 06:12 PM

Maybe a suspended one might have been useful?

Posted by: HJD Nov 17 2011, 07:04 PM

Well i hope he doesn't need any help from the local cops in the near future !!

His quote apparently :-
I would go into Newbury myself. It would be a laugh, especially if any police got cut up. Police deserve getting killed - I support any riot that targets police and property. All cops are scum.”

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 17 2011, 07:09 PM

How much of it was caused by this guy (and soley this guy?)

You can't become like America in a time of National Crisis when someone in the government screws up - you can't go around punishing people who weren't directly responsible

Posted by: spartacus Nov 17 2011, 07:38 PM

oooh... well let's not make this 'kid' angry shall we. We've got yumen rights to think about.

All this bleating that comes from the 'Teenagers of Today' saying that they want to be treated as adults (from 14 years old upwards) yet when the excrement hits the air conditioning device they (defence lawyers, family members etc) try to point out that "He's only young..." Can't have it both ways

BANG HIM UP I say...!

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 17 2011, 07:49 PM

In the interests of fairness and having looked at both sides of the argument and balanced the issues and taking his comments into consideration my considered opinion is that while we still have that nice crane in Newbury, we should :

STRING HIM UP !!

By the whatsits preferably.

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 17 2011, 10:54 PM

I think the ball bag would rip.



It wasn't anything regarding human rights; it was just how people talk and the use of language and how it's evolved over the last 10 years or so. I grew up in this generation and while I don't know your age I can only guess you're at least mid 40's (sorry ) as most people on this forum are so old they have wee bags. (I want a wee bag, imagine being able to wee anywhere, that would be brilliant)

And how I might post on my blog how I hope someone dies or that if I had a gun I'd shoot everyone who talked to me *at a given time*....doesn't mean I would do it, while the anger or dislike towards a person (or in this young chaps case the police) may be real the actual actions are probably not literally intended.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 17 2011, 11:02 PM

You'd like to think that is true, but I don't think it is. We all use slang like this, but it would be in context. The fact only a few people have been pulled up for this suggests that the language is not THAT common amongst the grunt generation.

Posted by: x2lls Nov 17 2011, 11:37 PM

If the police had not acted upon the stupidity of a complete tw@t and damage to property or worse someone injured or even killed, what would be said on this forum?

It's all very well saying 'I didn't mean it', but funnily enough, we are still not able to read minds.
Considering the possibility that what is said 'maybe' true, you cannot take the risk.


He's so lucky he doesn't reside in Sweden or the USA!!!!

Posted by: Bofem Nov 18 2011, 06:21 AM

Why would he?

I think we can see what's really going on here.

There were 10 threats to kill reported to police in the last six months in West Berkshire. Only 2 have been 'solved'. http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/performance-pdfs-west-berkshire.pdf

As forhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElLxLWwdPMY.....

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 19 2011, 03:57 PM

Well based on what you're saying you're only allowed to say exactly what you mean and you're not allowed to be angry (which would invariably involve yelling out "I'D KILL SOMEONE RIGHT NOW".

So next time you say "kill" how about a meat wagon pulls up outside your house and apprehends you?

Posted by: Strafin Nov 19 2011, 08:32 PM

I am pretty sure you are in a minority there - I certainly so.

Posted by: blackdog Nov 20 2011, 09:45 AM

I was going to make a quip about not being the sharpest knife in the drawer, but the post has disappeared - perhaps he's a bit sharper than I supposed.

Posted by: Bloggo Nov 21 2011, 11:18 AM

Thank you for your observations, always a treat.
Actually I do have something to say.
Firstly the court has decided that he is not a threat to society and has let him off. and I accept that although I don't agree with it.
I personally think the lad is a thug and a moron and I expect that he will continue to make his contribution to society in the manner that he has until he does cross the line that our courts do find unacceptable.

Posted by: Darren Nov 21 2011, 01:22 PM

Unfortunately being stupid isnt a crime

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 21 2011, 01:27 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8903177/Judge-its-no-crime-to-swear-at-police-they-are-used-to-it.html
Whatever happened to public decency?
Should please some on here with their pro-criminal, anti-police views!!
(Should have posted in the "Tasers" thread really but it applies to so many cases these days. )

Posted by: Simon Kirby Nov 21 2011, 01:38 PM

Might be better in a thread of its own, but anywho:



Hardly a bombarding was it. Three f**ks, none directed at the police.

Posted by: x2lls Nov 21 2011, 05:03 PM

I think you have completely missed my point and are putting words into my mouth(or keyboard!).

I did not at all say you should ONLY SAY EXACTLY what you mean. There ws NO NEED to do what he did. My point was, how do the authorites know there was no intent? Considering the events going on around the country at the time, I believe they did the right thing. If there was no intent, then why 'pretend' there was?

Posted by: Roost Nov 22 2011, 02:04 AM

Ok, I ask a question.

Who, in their job would either expect or be happy to put up with such abuse / bad language??

Please answer truthfully

Posted by: Strafin Nov 22 2011, 08:19 AM

That's stupid. I wouldn't expect to be shot at at work, but if I was the army I would be!

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 22 2011, 08:53 AM

People say and do a lot of things they do not mean. Take a psychology class.

Posted by: Bofem Nov 22 2011, 08:58 AM

I don't think anyone's 'happy' about it, but many put up with it.

Bus drivers, green meanies, driving instructors all get abused regularly but get up again the next day for more. And if you're black in this town, you are expected to put up with all sorts of hilarious jokes at your expense. Ask the lads in the Indian restaurants, try Botans at 3am, or speak with any of the bar staff.

Black footballers have just been told by their governing body it's OK if they are racially abused at their place of work.

What I think this case demonstrates is that we're still just about a free country, which is incredible after 13 years of Labour giving away all our freedoms after lobbying from ACPO (remember ID cards and 90 day lock-up without charge - yeah that was them).

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 22 2011, 09:38 AM

OK it happens but it is all unacceptable and in many cases illegal. (Racist comments etc.)
Driving instructors??

Posted by: JeffG Nov 22 2011, 09:40 AM

Try joking that you have a bomb at Heathrow, then say you didn't mean it...

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 22 2011, 10:25 AM

Been there, done that. Not at Heathrow but I was at a train station and got asked what was in my bag (it was a computer and a Logitech G25 so quite a big bad) and I said "well it's not a bomb so it doesn't matter" - they weren't happy.

Besides I'm physically unable to be a terrorist as I don't use public transport so it would be a pointless career choice.

Posted by: massifheed Nov 22 2011, 10:35 AM

You make about as much sense as GMR. I can only assume that you are him, or you're part of some kind of GMR affiliation program.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 22 2011, 10:39 AM

You get a lot of idiots doing lots of stupid things at railway stations!

Posted by: xjay1337 Nov 22 2011, 01:42 PM

I agree Mr Biker. People feeding pigeons and everything.

I can not say with any degree of uncertainty, that this is or isn't possibly true. On the contrary without saying yes or no we cannot agree nor disagree with the statement.

Posted by: massifheed Nov 22 2011, 01:46 PM

Classic GMR!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 22 2011, 01:57 PM

Agree about the cost in keeping the moron in jail. Not worth it.
Such an idiot doen not even deserve peoples derision. He's obviously 'challenged' in the grey matter area.
My personal view is that he must be so dense that he's probably only a danger to himself. After all if you go round threatening people it's only a matter of time before you pick on the wrong chap and get a good old fashioned smack in the chops. And that would be such a shame....

Posted by: Strafin Dec 15 2011, 07:48 PM

I see in the NWN today he has refused to do his community service as he is not allowed his mobile phone on whilst he does it.

Posted by: HJD Dec 18 2011, 07:53 AM

Looks like you were correct Bloggo, though in what manner it might take one may ask !

Posted by: Exhausted Dec 19 2011, 10:29 AM

Taking away their mobile phone sounds to me like a punishment that the courts could hand out. No mobile phone or texting for three months. That would be a great punishment but unfortunately unenforceable.

The killing type statement has to be seen in context. A direct "I could kill you" made to another, friend/relative could be considered along with the body language that goes with it an extension of our modern language. The F word is already part of our common language but doesn't now mean "I wish to conjugate with you".
The statement made on a public, facebook post is not that by any means. We might just think "what a d*ckhead" but there are always one or two that will be fired up by such dialogue and we end up with rioting. It only takes one person with a grudge and a gun to read such a statement and get tipped over the edge and we have another massacre.

Posted by: JeffG Dec 19 2011, 11:59 AM

Group Latin sessions?

Posted by: xjay1337 Dec 19 2011, 01:55 PM

Who/what?

Posted by: Bloggo Dec 20 2011, 09:04 AM

Let'swait and see as it is very probable that he will end up in court again.
This twit needs some discipline and some respect instilled in him and until that happens he will be a pain in the a**e to someone most days.

Posted by: xjay1337 Dec 20 2011, 09:20 AM

lol. Oh my days.

Posted by: Berkshirelad Dec 20 2011, 02:26 PM

Why Latin?

Verbs are conjugated in all languages

Posted by: Penelope Dec 20 2011, 06:58 PM

That xjay can conjugate my verbs anyday !

Posted by: Cognosco Dec 20 2011, 07:17 PM

I bet he won't though? He may damage his alloys!

Posted by: xjay1337 Dec 20 2011, 08:14 PM

Slightly creeped but still, I'm game.

Posted by: blackdog Dec 20 2011, 10:25 PM

I thought he'd painted them orange.

Posted by: blackdog Dec 20 2011, 10:25 PM

I thought he'd painted them orange.

Posted by: blackdog Jan 25 2012, 03:03 PM

The Facebook moron from Hungerford was due back in court a couple of weeks ago after refusing to do community service because they wouldn't allow him to spend the time on his mobile. Anyone know what happened?

Posted by: Strafin Jan 25 2012, 05:51 PM

It was in the paper this week, I think he got a community order.

Posted by: Exhausted Jan 26 2012, 06:21 PM

This is a meaning from a respected dictionary which fits the bill.

conjugation, in biology, sexual process in which two lower organisms of the same species, such as bacteria, protozoans, and some algae and fungi, exchange material during a temporary union (e.g., ciliated protozoans), completely transfer one organism’s contents to the other organism

Posted by: Turin Machine Jan 26 2012, 06:22 PM

You always have to bring it down to your level don't you, Mucky pup !