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je suis Charlie
post Dec 19 2017, 04:58 PM
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Heavy goods, long distances, economically; ever heard of electric trains?

Really, with our network? Goods into every town And village from everywhere else? Really? Oh and don't forget the magic fairy dust to make aeroplanes get off the ground. And of course you can make ships all electric too? Well done you!
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post Dec 19 2017, 05:57 PM
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Really, with our network? Goods into every town And village from everywhere else? Really? Oh and don't forget the magic fairy dust to make aeroplanes get off the ground. And of course you can make ships all electric too? Well done you!


We are being insular aren't we? laugh.gif


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post Dec 20 2017, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Dec 19 2017, 05:42 PM) *
Heavy goods, long distances, economically; ever heard of electric trains?

Like these?
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post Dec 22 2017, 06:04 AM
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It's not "disruption", it's planned engineering work that has been well publicised for months. smile.gif
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post Dec 22 2017, 06:47 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Dec 22 2017, 06:04 AM) *
It's not "disruption", it's planned engineering work that has been well publicised for months. smile.gif


Wouldn't disagree. The cause would have been helped a little if the online timetables had been updated to prevent the media complaints, but that's just me being picky! Apparently its the signalling getting an upgrade; so much needed. At last, the 'we regret the delay because of a signalling failure'.


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post Jan 2 2018, 08:02 AM
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An enjoyable start to the new year at least!

The new fare increases cut in today, but I'm not sure Mrs May would appreciate the unusually audible comments made by my fellow travellers as we passed through Maidenhead. Probably a bit naughty, but I couldn't help but mention that we were so,privileged being able to travel in a 'heritage train' for free. Normally, trains of this age command an even higher premium!

The younger element seem to think there is a chap called Corbyn who could make things cheaper and better. Is this the same Corbyn that us oldies on here keep banging on about?

Bye for now, my heavily promoted GWR broadband connection is about to st


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post Jan 2 2018, 10:24 AM
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Yes, I can reluctantly support my g/f's decision to use her car instead of the train for work. Sadly it's an old diesel, but then so are the trains.
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post Jan 2 2018, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (The Hatter @ Jan 2 2018, 10:24 AM) *
Yes, I can reluctantly support my g/f's decision to use her car instead of the train for work. Sadly it's an old diesel, but then so are the trains.


Fairs up. Train late. No crew. Missed connection. Escalators broken.
@gwr don't do new year resolutions!!
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post Jan 2 2018, 06:42 PM
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It's a shambles. And more union action on the way. A foretaste of things to come.


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post Jan 3 2018, 09:08 AM
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Yes, cost seems inversely proportional to service. Train’s packed and we’re not even out of Thatcham. At least I was fortunate to get one; friends report cancellations.
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post Jan 4 2018, 07:47 AM
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Yep, and so it goes on!

Signalling problems this morning holding up the Basingstoke route.

Words fail; but thinking about it, as it's a de facto monopoly, on the executive salaries they pay, nothing will change. Presumably this is what Mrs May wants to demonstrate successful free market capitalisim.

Great Western Railways; taking you for a ride.....


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post Jan 4 2018, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 4 2018, 08:47 AM) *
Yep, and so it goes on!

Signalling problems this morning holding up the Basingstoke route.

Words fail; but thinking about it, as it's a de facto monopoly, on the executive salaries they pay, nothing will change. Presumably this is what Mrs May wants to demonstrate successful free market capitalisim.

Great Western Railways; taking you for a ride.....

signalling problems ...................Network Rail, a government owned company, not GWR.
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post Jan 4 2018, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 4 2018, 08:36 AM) *
signalling problems ...................Network Rail, a government owned company, not GWR.

Details, details! Scientifically*, its the governments fault.

*(No actual scientific evidence exists)


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post Jan 4 2018, 10:17 AM
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People on here and elsewhere are saying what a shambles privatisation was / is.
I'm not denying that.
People on here / elsewhere are saying that the railways would be better re-nationalised.
I am saying that NR is already effectively nationalised and the problems remain.
Richard Branson's East Coast is being handed back to government control as he can'r meet the promises he made when given the franchise.
We can see how that goes eh?
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post Jan 4 2018, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 4 2018, 08:36 AM) *
signalling problems ...................Network Rail, a government owned company, not GWR.


Classic railway mentality, blame someone else!

What would happen if John Lewis (say) kept having exactly the same issue with one of its key suppliers? I suspect a size 12 would be administered in short order.

If GWR do nothing apart from issuing tickets, why on earth do they need so many highly paid executives? By the way, they aren't even particularly good at issuing tickets quickly of efficiently.

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post Jan 4 2018, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 4 2018, 10:17 AM) *
People on here and elsewhere are saying what a shambles privatisation was / is.
I'm not denying that.
People on here / elsewhere are saying that the railways would be better re-nationalised.
I am saying that NR is already effectively nationalised and the problems remain.
Richard Branson's East Coast is being handed back to government control as he can'r meet the promises he made when given the franchise.
We can see how that goes eh?


Network Rail shares are the Government interest. It's still essentially a Plc managed by the same old executives whose only real interest is the size of their personal take.

Surely as we've been told by successive governments that 'privatisation' would put it all right and the massive, massive injections of private cash would deliver results. What's gone wrong?

Simply claiming that things were worse under public ownership isn't going to put things right. The service right now is still dreadful and from Newbury at least, still using BR rolling stock - how ironic!

The worst thing about BR were said to be the sandwiches, oh if that were true about GWR!


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post Jan 4 2018, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 4 2018, 12:48 PM) *
Classic railway mentality, blame someone else!

I'm not blaming anybody.
The railway industry is fragmented and people blame the wrong entity.
I'm not defending the industry or any particular company.

John Lewis can change supplier. GWR cannot.
Many on here think I am solely defending he rail industry which I am most definitely not!I'm just stating the facts that are often misconstrued.
The service that passengers receive is overpriced and, more often than not, appalling and I agree with most of your points OTE and others.
All I try to do is portray the facts as I see them so people perhaps have a better understanding.
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post Jan 4 2018, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 4 2018, 01:08 PM) *
The worst thing about BR were said to be the sandwiches, oh if that were true about GWR!

Oh there were a lot things worse than the sandwiches OTE! laugh.gif
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post Jan 4 2018, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 4 2018, 12:23 PM) *
I'm not blaming anybody.
The railway industry is fragmented and people blame the wrong entity.
I'm not defending the industry or any particular company.

John Lewis can change supplier. GWR cannot.
Many on here think I am solely defending he rail industry which I am most definitely not!I'm just stating the facts that are often misconstrued.
The service that passengers receive is overpriced and, more often than not, appalling and I agree with most of your points OTE and others.
All I try to do is portray the facts as I see them so people perhaps have a better understanding.


And you are actually doing a pretty good job, good to have a robust debate. For my part, claims about the effectiveness of BR are very tounge in cheek and not based on my commuting experiences into Waterloo.


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post Jan 4 2018, 06:45 PM
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Let's face it, the rail service is in a semi derelict state and has been for as long as I can remember. As someone who used to commute regularly I have lost track of the number of times I have ended up sitting on my briefcase, on the floor, simply because there was no where else to sit. Plus the number of times when the train broke down, rails broke, signals broke or any number of other delays. There seems to be a collective folk memory, much like people telling you " in my day, we had proper summers" of little Choo choos puffing contentedly along pristine tracks all three quarters full of smiling commuters. I don't think it's ever been like that. And with a rising population, greater centralisation of jobs into the major towns and cities it's only going to get worse.


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