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post Mar 26 2010, 09:12 PM
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David Black is your local UKIP candidate for the general election.

On April 15th there will be the chance to meet him and discuss local and national policies.

An informal meeting will be held at the Friends Meeting House, Highfield Avenue (Behind Bus Station) at 8pm.

Please visit http://www.ukipnewbury.org.uk/ to find out about your local candidate and UKIP policy.

All welcome!
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post Mar 26 2010, 11:21 PM
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What is "Natural Justice"?

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I only ask because this is a phrase members of another political party also use and I'm not sure what it means.

The British National Party
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post Mar 26 2010, 11:50 PM
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David Black is an excellent candidate and hopefully he will do well. I am sure that many good people will turn up and give him a rousing welcome.

With the main three parties viewed in a bad and corrupt light the time is right for another party to come in and properly represent the people.

On that note; i was disappointed that when the three major parties held a local debate arena in Newbury UKIP were excluded. So much for democracy. But I put this down to fear.
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post Mar 27 2010, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 26 2010, 11:21 PM) *
What is "Natural Justice"?

UKIP in Berkshire

I only ask because this is a phrase members of another political party also use and I'm not sure what it means.

The British National Party

Someone who is Internet savy could have used Wikipedia! But then, you are only being mischievous, aren't you? wink.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_justice
Natural justice or procedural fairness is a legal philosophy used in some jurisdictions in the determination of just, or fair, processes in legal proceedings. The concept is very closely related to the principle of natural law (Latin: lex naturalis) which has been applied as a philosophical and practical principle in the law in several common law jurisdictions, particularly in the UK and Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principles_of_natural_justice
The principles of natural justice are two fundamental principles widely held to be legally necessary to a fair trial or valid decision in a legal system. These are:

1 "Nobody shall be a judge in his own cause", invalidating any judgement where there is a bias or conflict of interest or duty; and

2. "Hear the other side", giving at least a fair opportunity to present one's case (which may, for example, require access to counsel).


"I believe no-one should be condemned by the circumstances of their birth. And I am certain that is what the British people believe, too. We are a nation with a strong sense of fair play, and natural justice." - Nick Clegg.
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post Mar 27 2010, 04:45 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 26 2010, 03:50 PM) *
David Black is an excellent candidate and hopefully he will do well. I am sure that many good people will turn up and give him a rousing welcome.

With the main three parties viewed in a bad and corrupt light the time is right for another party to come in and properly represent the people.

On that note; i was disappointed that when the three major parties held a local debate arena in Newbury UKIP were excluded. So much for democracy. But I put this down to fear.


It would be good to see all candidates who put themselves forward to participate in public debate so that all of the mis-information can be put aside. If there's a Green party candidate I'd like to see them too. What about Independents, GMR? Would you see a party-less candidate also be invited? I think anyone standing should be allowed, but that could create a logistical problem (or a sanity issue if the Monster Raving Looney Party ran in Newbury again laugh.gif )

As for corruption, personally I found the whole MP expenses thing particularly distasteful (directly taking public money to line the already expensively lined pockets). Therefore it was sad to see that the leader of the UKIP had claimed 100k for his multi-million dollar second home. I would love to see a party who can truly stand apart from the corruption mob, but feel this is unrealistic.
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post Mar 27 2010, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE (Newbury Expat @ Mar 27 2010, 04:45 AM) *
It would be good to see all candidates who put themselves forward to participate in public debate so that all of the mis-information can be put aside. If there's a Green party candidate I'd like to see them too. What about Independents, GMR? Would you see a party-less candidate also be invited? I think anyone standing should be allowed, but that could create a logistical problem (or a sanity issue if the Monster Raving Looney Party ran in Newbury again laugh.gif )

As for corruption, personally I found the whole MP expenses thing particularly distasteful (directly taking public money to line the already expensively lined pockets). Therefore it was sad to see that the leader of the UKIP had claimed 100k for his multi-million dollar second home. I would love to see a party who can truly stand apart from the corruption mob, but feel this is unrealistic.



I totally agree with you. All people who stand should be able to voice their views. Even the BNP. We may not agree with them but we should be able to challenge them.

The three-way debate smacks of elitism (manipulation). Does anybody know who organised it?
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post Mar 27 2010, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 27 2010, 10:52 AM) *
I totally agree with you. All people who stand should be able to voice their views. Even the BNP. We may not agree with them but we should be able to challenge them.

The three-way debate smacks of elitism (manipulation). Does anybody know who organised it?


Quite agree - can't have anyone upsetting the status quo. Shame he didn't simply turn up and jumped in and made a fuss on the night. That would at least enlivened a political meeting - which of late, where they are packed with the local party toadys its all become far too comfortable. Come on, lets have some entertainment for once.


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post Mar 27 2010, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Mar 26 2010, 11:21 PM) *
What is "Natural Justice"?

UKIP in Berkshire

I only ask because this is a phrase members of another political party also use and I'm not sure what it means.

The British National Party


Perhaps I'm getting too old in the tooth - 'natural justice' when I was a lad was practiced by coyboys and indians. It involved guns, trees and ropes. As its been out of use for a while, suspect the 'yellow brigade' have picked it up because it sounds good as a sound bite! Shame our politicians haven't the same degree of respect for Common Law.


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post Mar 27 2010, 10:08 PM
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Here's a novelty.

Instead of expecting the electorate to come to them, how about they get out and start working the shoe leather by knocking on doors?
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post Mar 27 2010, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE (Darren @ Mar 27 2010, 10:08 PM) *
Here's a novelty.

Instead of expecting the electorate to come to them, how about they get out and start working the shoe leather by knocking on doors?


Or you could do both. Which politicians usually do.
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post Mar 27 2010, 11:09 PM
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Do you really want politicians knocking on your door? Personally I'd rather have a double glazing salesman - at least they work to a code of practice!


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post Mar 27 2010, 11:20 PM
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I feel a little backed into the corner on this one. I feel we are being rather taken over by some cultures. I am originally from Yorkshire and the community there is rather a different colour to that of Newbury and the religion of those people is too. Also from first hand those people of the same age as me worked hard, got their exam results and became doctors etc (unlike me) but saying that they then bring in their relatives from overseas and it all begins again.... I have lived in and around Newbury for 25 years and it is totally different (or shall I say was). Newbury now seems to have an influx of eastern europeans (some of whom I am very good friends with) and also they don't go through London with banners saying they are going to dominate the world and everyone apart from them must die. We can't paint everyone with the same brush....
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post Mar 28 2010, 05:23 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Mar 28 2010, 12:09 AM) *
Do you really want politicians knocking on your door? Personally I'd rather have a double glazing salesman - at least they work to a code of practice!


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post Mar 28 2010, 05:26 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Mar 27 2010, 11:48 PM) *
Or you could do both. Which politicians usually do.


Having people come to see him, in my mind, smacks of Lord of the Manor sat at his High Table expecting all his serfs to come and pay tribute.

Another example of politicians forgetting who are their masters.
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post Mar 28 2010, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Mar 27 2010, 05:39 PM) *
Perhaps I'm getting too old in the tooth - 'natural justice' when I was a lad was practiced by coyboys and indians. It involved guns, trees and ropes.
I was thinking along those lines too. Natural Justice sounds a little like mob rule.
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post Mar 28 2010, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Mar 27 2010, 04:39 PM) *
Perhaps I'm getting too old in the tooth - 'natural justice' when I was a lad was practiced by coyboys and indians. It involved guns, trees and ropes. As its been out of use for a while, suspect the 'yellow brigade' have picked it up because it sounds good as a sound bite! Shame our politicians haven't the same degree of respect for Common Law.
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I was thinking along those lines too. Natural Justice sounds a little like mob rule.

Well now you know better! tongue.gif Indeed, mob rule has an element of democracy about it. tongue.gif

Natural Justice is the fundamental principle in UK law. Natural Justice is not the preserve of right-wing extremism, not that I think UKIP are right-wing extremists.
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post Mar 28 2010, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE (Darren @ Mar 28 2010, 06:26 AM) *
Having people come to see him, in my mind, smacks of Lord of the Manor sat at his High Table expecting all his serfs to come and pay tribute.

Another example of politicians forgetting who are their masters.



I agree to a point. However, it is not really realistic to expect any politician or potential politician to knock on every door in their constituency. At least it gives those that were out, when he/ or she was knocking/ couldn't make it, to come and see him/ her.
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post Mar 28 2010, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Mar 28 2010, 09:55 AM) *
Natural Justice is the fundamental principle in UK law. Natural Justice is not the preserve of right-wing extremism, not that I think UKIP are right-wing extremists.


Really? What law school teaches that? What underpins our legal system is the Common Law of old England. We are also strongly influenced by Mosaic law, which, of course explains why we have so much trouble trying to implement directives set by those 'Romans' across the Channel.

The Sheriff of Dodge City and I suppose UKIP are simply interested in maintaining law and order. Nonetheless, lawyer Abe Lincoln and today many others also give a passing thought to how that should be delivered.


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post Mar 28 2010, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Mar 28 2010, 12:09 AM) *
Do you really want politicians knocking on your door? Personally I'd rather have a double glazing salesman - at least they work to a code of practice!

When I was canvassing for the tories once, on a Sunday morning, there was a group of Lib-Dems following behind us. A bit later on we caught up with some Jehovas Witness's who had been doing the same roads. Couldn't help but feel it was a bad morning for the residents!
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post Mar 28 2010, 12:07 PM
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It really wouldn't take much to get me to vote UKIP, I might go and if he seems reasonable he'll get my vote.
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