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post Apr 15 2015, 06:38 AM
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HGV Overtaking ban? sad.gif

Presumably OCC have liaised with their WBC counterparts on proposed ban on HGV overtaking:
there's already a small section on A34N just after E Ilsley turn at Gore Hill.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/12889957....er___Your_Vote/
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post Apr 15 2015, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE (gel @ Apr 15 2015, 07:38 AM) *
HGV Overtaking ban? sad.gif

Presumably OCC have liaised with their WBC counterparts on proposed ban on HGV overtaking:
there's already a small section on A34N just after E Ilsley turn at Gore Hill.

Which, it seems to me, most ignore!
Never policed is it?
Probably got better things to do.
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post Apr 15 2015, 10:01 AM
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I don't like the idea of restricting traffic movement ever. I have a lot of sympathy for lorry drivers, who are already subject to an incredible amount of restrictions. However there is a long history of regular accidents on this road, as we have discussed before on these boards. Are HGV's the cause? I can't imagine they are, if you restrict them to one lane, I foresee a long queue of cars in the outside lane travelling nose to tail, and not pulling back across, just like the rest of the A34 and most dual carriageways I've ever driven on.
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post Apr 15 2015, 04:54 PM
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A34 Cameras?

I note on the Green Party candidate local election leaflet (sure it was a female from E Ilsley)
it proposed speed cameras along whole length angry.gif, or was it reverting to horse + cart!
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post Apr 15 2015, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 15 2015, 08:53 AM) *
Which, it seems to me, most ignore!
Never policed is it?
Probably got better things to do.



Not any more.

It was an experiment with a limited life - they just never took the signs down

Oxon CC is just looking for headlines, it has no authority over traffic regulation on the A34 - not even the bit that runs through Oxfordshire.

It is a trunk road and only the Highways Agency have the necessary authority
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post Apr 15 2015, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 15 2015, 11:01 AM) *
I don't like the idea of restricting traffic movement ever. I have a lot of sympathy for lorry drivers, who are already subject to an incredible amount of restrictions. However there is a long history of regular accidents on this road, as we have discussed before on these boards. Are HGV's the cause? I can't imagine they are, if you restrict them to one lane, I foresee a long queue of cars in the outside lane travelling nose to tail, and not pulling back across, just like the rest of the A34 and most dual carriageways I've ever driven on.


Not to mention a long queue of HGVs stuck behind a tractor/trailer doing 20 mph with no opportunity to overtake...
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post Apr 15 2015, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Apr 15 2015, 07:42 PM) *
It was an experiment with a limited life - they just never took the signs down

FORGOT TO TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN??? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
Now where have I heard that one before? tongue.gif
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post Apr 15 2015, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Apr 15 2015, 07:38 AM) *
HGV Overtaking ban? sad.gif

Presumably OCC have liaised with their WBC counterparts on proposed ban on HGV overtaking:
there's already a small section on A34N just after E Ilsley turn at Gore Hill.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/12889957....er___Your_Vote/

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post Apr 15 2015, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Apr 15 2015, 07:38 AM) *
HGV Overtaking ban? sad.gif

Presumably OCC have liaised with their WBC counterparts on proposed ban on HGV overtaking:
there's already a small section on A34N just after E Ilsley turn at Gore Hill.

As the A34 is a Trunk Road it doesn't fall under the control of OCC or WBC. The Highways Agency are the higher authority on the national strategic road network (motorways and Trunk Roads). If they approve, the minor Local Authorities comply. It doesn't generally work the other way around.

QUOTE (gel @ Apr 15 2015, 05:54 PM) *
A34 Cameras?

I note on the Green Party candidate local election leaflet (sure it was a female from E Ilsley)
it proposed speed cameras along whole length angry.gif, or was it reverting to horse + cart!

Don't these Green Party tree huggers realise that even tofu needs to actually get from where is made to where it is sold and that generally means there's an HGV involved somewhere along the line?
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post Apr 15 2015, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (CrackerJack @ Apr 15 2015, 08:46 PM) *
As the A34 is a Trunk Road it doesn't fall under the control of OCC or WBC. The Highways Agency are the higher authority on the national strategic road network (motorways and Trunk Roads). If they approve, the minor Local Authorities comply. It doesn't generally work the other way around.
The Highways Agency no longer exists.

It was replaced with a company called Highways England this month.
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post Apr 15 2015, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 15 2015, 09:06 PM) *
The Highways Agency no longer exists.

It was replaced with a company called Highways England this month.



Highways Agency - Highways England - same thing really wink.gif
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post Apr 15 2015, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (CrackerJack @ Apr 15 2015, 09:18 PM) *
Highways Agency - Highways England - same thing really wink.gif
There's a difference.

One was part of the government, the other's a government owned company that will most likely be sold off.
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post Apr 16 2015, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 15 2015, 09:21 PM) *
There's a difference.

One was part of the government, the other's a government owned company that will most likely be sold off.


Regardless of which, OCC and WBC have no authority to manage traffic on the A34
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post Apr 16 2015, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Apr 16 2015, 09:30 AM) *
Regardless of which, OCC and WBC have no authority to manage traffic on the A34

Which is probably why the article linked in the OP says THE Government is to be asked to ban lorries from overtaking on the A34 by Oxfordshire County Council. rather than OCC are to ban overtaking.

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post Apr 16 2015, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Apr 15 2015, 09:21 PM) *
There's a difference.

One was part of the government, the other's a government owned company that will most likely be sold off.


Interesting one that, one might ask what's the point? Or was the 'Agency' idea simply a bluff. Not too much has been said about it, I wonder why?


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post Apr 16 2015, 02:37 PM
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I'd be up for this.
So many times I get delayed because of a lorry overtaking another lorry doing 55 while doing 56mph.


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post Apr 16 2015, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 16 2015, 02:37 PM) *
I'd be up for this.
So many times I get delayed because of a lorry overtaking another lorry doing 55 while doing 56mph.


You will be able to go a bit faster now, from 6 April 2015, the speed limit for HGVs travelling on single and dual carriageways in England and Wales has increased.The national speed limits for HGVs over 7.5 tonnes, travelling on a single carriageway will increase from 40mph to 50mph. The speed limit for HGVs over 7.5 tonnes, travelling on dual carriageways will increase from 50mph to 60mph.
You will still get delayed though because of a lorry overtaking another lorry doing 60 while doing 61 mph. rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 16 2015, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Apr 16 2015, 03:37 PM) *
I'd be up for this.
So many times I get delayed because of a lorry overtaking another lorry doing 55 while doing 56mph.



And soon you'll be delayed getting onto the A34 from a slip road or behind some numpty 'Sunday driving' ar 60 mph and nowhere to pull in to the nearside - not to mention trying to get off the A34.
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post Apr 17 2015, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (HJD @ Apr 16 2015, 07:01 PM) *
You will be able to go a bit faster now, from 6 April 2015, the speed limit for HGVs travelling on single and dual carriageways in England and Wales has increased.The national speed limits for HGVs over 7.5 tonnes, travelling on a single carriageway will increase from 40mph to 50mph. The speed limit for HGVs over 7.5 tonnes, travelling on dual carriageways will increase from 50mph to 60mph.
You will still get delayed though because of a lorry overtaking another lorry doing 60 while doing 61 mph. rolleyes.gif


I never understood why lorries could only do 40 on the A4 - that's a lot better smile.gif



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post Apr 19 2015, 11:59 AM
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Mainly due to the time and distance required to stop a fully-laden HGV (or at least reduce the impact speed to manageable).

Modern trucks have much improved over those when the limit was set (mush like cars) so it makes sense to raise the limit to 50 mph
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