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Simon Kirby
post Feb 22 2011, 12:07 PM
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The Town Council have issued a press-release about my dispute with them. I would be grateful if you would read it and comment.


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Andy Capp
post Feb 22 2011, 06:51 PM
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I think it stands out clearly that the council appear 'happy' that self management is not to proceed, despite being an example of the flagship Tories policy. I think we really should be asking why the council are not promoting this as an option. There's nothing in the public notice that suggests to me they are eager to off-load the burden of allotments from the tax payer to the allotmenteers.

Put in simple terms, it seems like they are ducking the issue.
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post Feb 22 2011, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 06:51 PM) *
I think it stands out clearly that the council appear 'happy' that self management is not to proceed, despite being an example of the flagship Tories policy. I think we really should be asking why the council are not promoting this as an option. There's nothing in the public notice that suggests to me they are eager to off-load the burden of allotments from the tax payer to the allotmenteers.

You'd think they would be as the Lib Dems wanted to whack up the rent to reduce the burden on the tax payer.

I can understand a site hut request being turned down, regardless of the status of the allotments. If one site gets one, they'll all want one & who is paying for them? Seems a bit selfish to ask for a hut & have it paid for & then take over site management so you don't have to pay as much rent!

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post Feb 22 2011, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:00 PM) *
You'd think they would be as the Lib Dems wanted to whack up the rent to reduce the burden on the tax payer.

I can understand a site hut request being turned down, regardless of the status of the allotments. If one site gets one, they'll all want one & who is paying for them? Seems a bit selfish to ask for a hut & have it paid for & then take over site management so you don't have to pay as much rent!


If I understood the request for a site hut properly it was to be funded by the allotment society?

It still boils down to why the council do not want to reduce the taxpayers precept by offloading the high costs of the allotments to self management.

I would still like to know why the allotment costs are relatively so high compared to other councils?

From what little information I have at the moment I would agree it seems the council have not acted with the best of decorum in this?

Why did they not want a Wash Common Allotment Society to be formed?
Instead of answers it just produces more questions?

A council should be able to deal with something like this without resorting to tactics like this?
Is there any arbitration procedure that could be used to try and get this to some sort of conclusion so there are no losers?


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post Feb 22 2011, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Feb 22 2011, 07:26 PM) *
If I understood the request for a site hut properly it was to be funded by the allotment society?

It still boils down to why the council do not want to reduce the taxpayers precept by offloading the high costs of the allotments to self management.

I would still like to know why the allotment costs are relatively so high compared to other councils?

From what little information I have at the moment I would agree it seems the council have not acted with the best of decorum in this?

Why did they not want a Wash Common Allotment Society to be formed?
Instead of answers it just produces more questions?

A council should be able to deal with something like this without resorting to tactics like this?
Is there any arbitration procedure that could be used to try and get this to some sort of conclusion so there are no losers?


Yes but your biased.
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Andy Capp
post Feb 22 2011, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:36 PM) *
Yes but your biased.

Wishing for arbitration is reasonable. I'd like to think something like that exists. I don't like to think our council has the power to ignore.

Now that Simon Kirkby has confirmed the cost of the shed to the tax payer, what is your complaint now towards him?
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post Feb 22 2011, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 07:44 PM) *
Wishing for arbitration is reasonable. I'd like to think something like that exists. I don't like to think our council has the power to ignore.

Now that Simon Kirkby has confirmed the cost of the shed to the tax payer, what is your complaint now towards him?

Same as it was when he first posted, months back - lack of support from the other allotment holders.


I've said before that I don't care who runs the allotments. I don't have one or want one.
But if folk really do want to run their own allotments & the cost to the tax payer would be £0.00 then it should have happened years ago. NTC can't ignore 525 allotment holders.



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- Simon Kirby   Allotment Dispute   Feb 22 2011, 12:07 PM
- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 12:07 P...   Feb 22 2011, 12:12 PM
- - NWNREADER   That is a news report. I doubt NTC would quote Si...   Feb 22 2011, 12:17 PM
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