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post Nov 14 2015, 06:20 AM
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I don't want to enter into a discussion on this, not yet. But I merely want to express my deepest sorrow to the people of both Paris and of France in general and to anyone caught up in the utter horror of last night's events. Bonne nuit mes amis. Je suis de tout cœur avec toi.


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post Nov 14 2015, 01:28 PM
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It really is shocking.
That was the area I liked.
Le Marais.
We would take a train on birthdays for lunch.

It does seem we have a problem as well.





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post Nov 14 2015, 06:17 PM
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Nothing you can say really. Its just a matter of time before it is London.

I won't "pray for Paris" though as "religion" is the reason all the people died.

Let's knock all the churches, mosques, synagogues, temple's down.

Amazing that in the 21st century where we have literally all the knowledge that our forefathers could not even comprehend to understand that people still believe in a "supreme being"

Anyone who still has this point of view deserves to be treated for a mild form of psychosis.

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post Nov 14 2015, 06:34 PM
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Yep! That'll do it; why don't we shove all the immigrants inside as well before the bulldozer starts as well?



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post Nov 14 2015, 06:47 PM
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Let's not, not today.
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post Nov 14 2015, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 14 2015, 06:47 PM) *
Let's not, not today.


Why not? The world could have been ending last night but the BBC would have still been showing CIN..
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post Nov 14 2015, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 14 2015, 06:17 PM) *
Nothing you can say really. Its just a matter of time before it is London.

I won't "pray for Paris" though as "religion" is the reason all the people died.

Let's knock all the churches, mosques, synagogues, temple's down.

Amazing that in the 21st century where we have literally all the knowledge that our forefathers could not even comprehend to understand that people still believe in a "supreme being"

Anyone who still has this point of view deserves to be treated for a mild form of psychosis.

Saying that religions is the cause is just plain inaccurate.
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post Nov 14 2015, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Nov 14 2015, 08:15 PM) *
Saying that religions is the cause is just plain inaccurate.


How many people in history have been killed because of differing religious beliefs? All extreme versions of religion are bad news.
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post Nov 14 2015, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 14 2015, 08:18 PM) *
How many people in history have been killed because of differing religious beliefs? All extreme versions of religion are bad news.


Actually, in reality wars are caused and continued by hot headed people.


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post Nov 14 2015, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 14 2015, 08:47 PM) *
Actually, in reality wars are caused and continued by hot headed people.


Are you really calling suicide vest wearing ISLAMIC fundamentalists "hot headed"?

I guess they were just misguided. I'm just waiting for the Islam is a peaceful religion diatribe to start. It's a bit like saying all Catholic priests are innocent of paedophillia.

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post Nov 14 2015, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 14 2015, 08:55 PM) *
Are you really calling suicide vest wearing ISLAMIC fundamentalists "hot headed"?j

I guess they were just misguided. I'm just waiting for the Islam is a peaceful religion diatribe to start. It's a bit like saying all Catholic priests are innocent of paedophillia.


Frankly, you are simply displaying exactly the same dogmatic attitude as those you criticise. Were World War 1 or World War 2 started for religious reasons? I suspect Gordon Brown would have have had a bad press day if ever he'd met you! (Deleted)


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post Nov 14 2015, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 14 2015, 10:39 PM) *
Frankly, you are simply displaying exactly the same dogmatic attitude as those you criticise. Were World War 1 or World War 2 started for religious reasons? I suspect Gordon Brown would have have had a bad press day if ever he'd met you! laugh.gif


Not sure this topic has a laugh.gif in it. Sad.
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post Nov 15 2015, 01:06 AM
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NO! It does not. Try to give the deaths of 130 people at least 24 hours before trying to score petty keyboard points please.
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post Nov 15 2015, 07:52 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 15 2015, 01:06 AM) *
NO! It does not. Try to give the deaths of 130 people at least 24 hours before trying to score petty keyboard points please.


I apologise, but can we please not respond to blind intolerant hatred with yet more blind intolerant hatred.


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post Nov 15 2015, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 14 2015, 08:18 PM) *
How many people in history have been killed because of differing religious beliefs? All extreme versions of religion are bad news.


The difference in religious beliefs is usually just coincidental. The attacks in Paris weren't because we're Christian an they're Muslims. It's to do with Israel and Palestine, the Gulf wars, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and air at racks in Syria. And those invasions were largely because of oil, not because the inhabitants were muslims. It's a whole range of reasons.

Basically, you are just wrong.
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post Nov 15 2015, 08:50 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2015, 08:23 AM) *
The difference in religious beliefs is usually just coincidental. The attacks in Paris weren't because we're Christian an they're Muslims. It's to do with Israel and Palestine, the Gulf wars, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and air at racks in Syria. And those invasions were largely because of oil, not because the inhabitants were muslims. It's a whole range of reasons.

Basically, you are just wrong.


What was the name of the terrorist outfit that carried out the attack?

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post Nov 15 2015, 09:06 AM
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Disappointing that the other terrorist attacks this week have received hardly any coverage in the mainstream media.
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post Nov 15 2015, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 15 2015, 08:50 AM) *
What was the name of the terrorist outfit that carried out the attack?

If you will persist in your simplified and ignorant view there's not much point in debating. Let's be honest, anyone that takes the view that a believer in God is psychotic is beyond help. I speak as an atheist incidentally.
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post Nov 15 2015, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 15 2015, 09:06 AM) *
Disappointing that the other terrorist attacks this week have received hardly any coverage in the mainstream media.

It can't be helped that they are geographically far away and terrorist attacks much less newsworthy there. I do take your point though.
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post Nov 15 2015, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2015, 12:01 PM) *
If you will persist in your simplified and ignorant view there's not much point in debating. Let's be honest, anyone that takes the view that a believer in God is psychotic is beyond help. I speak as an atheist incidentally.


You have a right to an opinion. So do I. Calling me beyond help and simple and ignorant is in my opinion quite wrong.

Sometimes the answers are simple.
You did not answer the question.

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