Richard Garvie on petrol prices locally, Death Wish Options

[user23]

I'm not really going to add anything to the discussion other than Andy's at his straw man fallacies again.
Really doubt he uses it with any sort of distinction and just uses it when he doesn't really have anything useful to say.

I like petrol. It smells nice.

[Simon Kirby]

Yes he is.

Promoting the need for an Asda in Newbury

Why do you persist with the 'straw man' thing?

No he isn't. He's saying that Tesco and Sainsbury charge more for petrol in Newbury because there is no Asda to provide competition. He's not demanding an Asda, he's demanding that Tesco and Sainsbury stop taking advantage of the lack of competition.

Why do you persist with the straw man thing? Personally I think his campaign is the kind of pop-politics that UKIP or the Daily Mail might go in for, pandering to the middle-class motorist who is outraged by the headline price disparity, but not actually bothered enough to shop around. I like Tesco; I liked working for them, I like their staff, and I shop in their shops, and it doesn't bother me that they set their product prices locally, and they do it across all lines, not just fuel, but if Richard thinks it's worth his time and effort to confront the issue then good for him. What Newbury needs is politicians with belief and conviction to put some new ideas out there.

[user23]

No he isn't.

Yes he is

For cheaper fuel prices, we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as ASDA or Morrisons. Without one, our prices will be dearer than

Link to quoted tweet

"we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as ASDA" can't mean much else other than we need an Asda.

[newres]

Yes he is


Link to quoted tweet

"we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as ASDA" can't mean much else other than we need an Asda.

I see it now. Yes. You are on the wind up.

[Sherlock]

I see it now. Yes. You are on the wind up.

Let's not be cruel, I don't think he really understands what a straw man argument is.

Glad to see that my posts about the A339 litter crisis have stirred his employers into action, though. You won't believe what they've done, it's hilarious! Watch this space.

[desres123]

In reality sainsburys and tesco's wont even listen or care they know they are not breaking any laws and can get away with ripping us off. They know people will carry on buying fuel from them regardless and yes only when asda decides to move in will prices start to come down (hopefully) but aint going to holdmy breath

[user23]

I see it now. Yes. You are on the wind up.

Here's you saying the same thing in February, my trolling friend:

We need an Asda.

Anyway, back to the original post, I can't imagine any employer would be too impressed by one of their employees implying they're price fixing.

[Simon Kirby]

Yes he is

Link to quoted tweet

"we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as ASDA" can't mean much else other than we need an Asda.

No he isn't. Read the NWN article. Nowhere does Richard demand an Asda, he is simply pointing out that Sainsbury and Tesco charge less for their fuel in towns that have an Asda, and he's asking Tesco to take the lead from Asda as the cheapest fuel retailer: “I’ve asked Mr Clarke to lead the way and ensure that Tesco offers the best fuel prices everywhere, and to boast about it.”

[user23]

No he isn't. Read the NWN article. Nowhere does Richard demand an Asda, he is simply pointing out that Sainsbury and Tesco charge less for their fuel in towns that have an Asda, and he's asking Tesco to take the lead from Asda as the cheapest fuel retailer: “I’ve asked Mr Clarke to lead the way and ensure that Tesco offers the best fuel prices everywhere, and to boast about it.”

Are you seriously trying to say the statement "we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as Asda" doesn't imply that we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as Asda?

I think you might be being contrary just to start an argument.

[Simon Kirby]

Are you seriously trying to say the statement "we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as Asda" doesn't imply that we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as Asda?

Yes, that's exactly what it says - it's saying we need a fuel discounter such as Asda, and now in Richard's latest campaign he's encouraging Tesco to become just such a fuel discounter: “I’ve asked Mr Clarke to lead the way and ensure that Tesco offers the best fuel prices everywhere, and to boast about it.”

It was your suggestion that Richard was demanding an Asda, and he isn't.

I think you might being contrary just to start an argument.

No I'm not.

[Andy Capp]

Are you seriously trying to say the statement "we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as Asda" doesn't imply that we need a supermarket fuel discounter such as Asda?

I think you might be being contrary just to start an argument.

But that statement doesn't occur in the article.

Here's you saying the same thing in February, my trolling friend:

We need an Asda.

Anyway, back to the original post, I can't imagine any employer would be too impressed by one of their employees implying they're price fixing.

Yes, quite an alien concept that an employee speaks their mind about their employer. You could hardly call him a sycophant, eh?

[user23]

Yes, that's exactly what it says - it's saying we need a fuel discounter such as Asda

Subsequent tweets go on to single out Asda and suggest Newbury should have one.

Blimey, no offence, but you'd argue green was blue for some attention.

[Andy Capp]

I'm not really going to add anything to the discussion other than Andy's at his straw man fallacies again. Really doubt he uses it with any sort of distinction and just uses it when he doesn't really have anything useful to say.

I use it when I see people doing it. People like you for instance who frequently distort people's posts to suit their argument.

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version. This happen when it appeared that user23 had bent the story in the Newbury Today article, when in fact he was talking about something else. If he'd done that then there shouldn't have been any confusion.

[Andy Capp]

Subsequent tweets go on to single out Asda and suggest Newbury should have one.

Blimey, no offence, but you'd argue green was blue for some attention.

Perhaps you should have posted your source, then we would have understood your comment, but we were referring to the NWN article at the time.

[user23]

I use it when I see people doing it. People like you for instance who frequently distort people's posts to suit their argument.

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version.

I'm quoting tweets word for word and linking to those tweets.

Sorry if you don't like the content, but people are starting to notice you mention a straw man, when you can't refute the facts to divert attention away from the debate.

[Simon Kirby]

Subsequent tweets go on to single out Asda and suggest Newbury should have one.

Blimey, no offence, but you'd argue green was blue for some attention.

Oh dear, you got cross, so you lose - sorry, I don't make the rules.

[Andy Capp]

Yes he is.

Promoting the need for an Asda in Newbury

Why do you persist with the 'straw man' thing?

Because you employ it. The link contains no direct promotion for an Asda in Newbury.

[Simon Kirby]

I'm quoting tweets word for word and linking to those tweets.

Sorry if you don't like the content, but people are starting to notice you mention a straw man when you can't refute the facts to divert attention away from the debate.

You attacked Richard's protest as him demanding an Asda, which he wasn't, and you ridiculed a Tesco manager for demanding a competitor's store, which he wasn't - and that's a straw man fallacy, standing up a false premise just to knock it down - one of your favourite ploys.

[user23]

Because you employ it. The link contains no direct promotion for an Asda in Newbury.

The tweet linked to in post #18 does.

[Andy Capp]

http://forum.newburytoday.co.uk/index.php?...ost&p=82580