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post Oct 4 2016, 08:34 AM
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Perhaps there is an argument here that WBC (and others) are too small to be effective. Perhaps we could also save a lot of duplication of councilors' allowances and senior staff staff employment costs by merging the unitary authorities into one - we could call it Berkshire County Council!

BTW, is there anybody just in Hants who might like to 'rent' a WBC permit for a visit to the tip?
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post Oct 4 2016, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Oct 4 2016, 09:34 AM) *
Perhaps there is an argument here that WBC (and others) are too small to be effective. Perhaps we could also save a lot of duplication of councilors' allowances and senior staff staff employment costs by merging the unitary authorities into one - we could call it Berkshire County Council!

BTW, is there anybody just in Hants who might like to 'rent' a WBC permit for a visit to the tip?


My son has already loaned his permit to a couple of neighbors just over the border! rolleyes.gif


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post Oct 4 2016, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (Rdg @ Oct 4 2016, 09:28 AM) *
Didn't this whole debacle start because WBC decided it didn't want tocontinue paying a contribution to RE3 to allow West Berks residents in tielhurst and calcot etc to use the Reading tip. So RE3 brought in a permit scheme to identify Reading, Wokingham & Bracknell residenets for their tip (which has a cost not least the guys sat on the gate at Longshot lane and Whitley checking the passes), then Hants said to WBC "if you aren't paying RE3 why should we be making a voluntary contribution to you, so WBC have had to bring in a permit scheme for it's tips to ensure no Hants residents use them (and they need to upgrade the Padworth site for the extra volume coming from the West side of Reading to it now.

So as far as I can see WBC dont pay RE3 but don't get money from Hants and Reading, Wokingham, Bracknell and West Berkshire residents are all having to pay for a permit scheme and it's compliance which didnt exist before - please can someone point me to the overall saving to tax payers ?


Who came up with such an incredibly stupid system in the first place?

Job creation at its worse, no wonder central government doesn't trust local government in the first place. The inter council dole system is exactly the inappropriate and unnecessary waste central governments have been seeking to abolish.

One might also ask why we have such expensive creatures as the District Auditors and Local Government Ombudsmen all the time nonsenses like this are perpetuated; without question.

The Pass System then, is only the latest manifestation of mis management in this area.



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post Oct 4 2016, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Oct 4 2016, 09:34 AM) *
Perhaps there is an argument here that WBC (and others) are too small to be effective. Perhaps we could also save a lot of duplication of councilors' allowances and senior staff staff employment costs by merging the unitary authorities into one - we could call it Berkshire County Council!

BTW, is there anybody just in Hants who might like to 'rent' a WBC permit for a visit to the tip?


Some of us have been saying that for a few years now. It must be quite clear now that local government in the UK is an oxymoron, indeed, it's wholly unnecessary. Absolutely everything they are supposed to be responsible for would be better done and delivered by centrally appointed agencies. Yes, that also includes parish level councils, if residents in a particular locality think they need a collective voice, they would be quite free to set up a residents association.


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post Oct 8 2016, 05:06 PM
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Regarding the tip and passes. Don't see the big deal.

Would you want waste from other large towns being disposed of in your local tip, given those large towns have their own tip?

It's not an awful idea. However as I found out recently you don't need a pass, driving license is fine as long as you live within the right areas.


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post Oct 8 2016, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Oct 8 2016, 06:06 PM) *
Regarding the tip and passes. Don't see the big deal.

Would you want waste from other large towns being disposed of in your local tip, given those large towns have their own tip?

It's not an awful idea. However as I found out recently you don't need a pass, driving license is fine as long as you live within the right areas.

Woolton Hill isn't a large town.
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post Oct 8 2016, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Oct 8 2016, 06:06 PM) *
Regarding the tip and passes. Don't see the big deal.

Would you want waste from other large towns being disposed of in your local tip, given those large towns have their own tip?

It's not an awful idea. However as I found out recently you don't need a pass, driving license is fine as long as you live within the right areas.



And there you have it. FFS, we all live on the same planet!!!


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post Oct 8 2016, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Oct 8 2016, 06:06 PM) *
Regarding the tip and passes. Don't see the big deal.

Would you want waste from other large towns being disposed of in your local tip, given those large towns have their own tip?

It's not an awful idea. However as I found out recently you don't need a pass, driving license is fine as long as you live within the right areas.


Well this started with West Berks which covers all of Calcot and Tilehurst (parts of the large town Reading) deciding it did not want to pay RE3 (Reading, Wokingham & Bracknell's waste contractor) for those people to drop off waste in their own town - everything else stems from that
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post Oct 8 2016, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Oct 8 2016, 06:06 PM) *
Regarding the tip and passes. Don't see the big deal.

Would you want waste from other large towns being disposed of in your local tip, given those large towns have their own tip?

It's not an awful idea. However as I found out recently you don't need a pass, driving license is fine as long as you live within the right areas.


I must admit, when I lived in Reading, I used to get p***** off with Newbury people using our Hospital!


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post Oct 8 2016, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE (Rdg @ Oct 8 2016, 10:34 PM) *
Well this started with West Berks which covers all of Calcot and Tilehurst

No it doesn't. Most of Tilehurst is in Reading.
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post Oct 8 2016, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 8 2016, 07:46 PM) *
And there you have it. FFS, we all live on the same planet!!!



Ummm, yes , but I'm sure you'd moan if everyone from another planet decided to turn up on your doorstep and dump their crap.


I just don't see the problem.
If you live in Reading using the Reading tip.
If you live in Newbury use the newbury one!

I do not know, and do not care, for intricate details, but as an overall scheme, restricting you to tipping in your most local tip, I see no issue with that.


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post Oct 9 2016, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Oct 9 2016, 12:41 AM) *
Ummm, yes , but I'm sure you'd moan if everyone from another planet decided to turn up on your doorstep and dump their crap.


I just don't see the problem.
If you live in Reading using the Reading tip.
If you live in Newbury use the newbury one!

I do not know, and do not care, for intricate details, but as an overall scheme, restricting you to tipping in your most local tip, I see no issue with that.




You still don't get it.


There is no reason whatsoever for there to be a so called boundary based recycling/dumping scheme. The whole country shares the issue of waste and recycling so why on earth can't a nationally based scheme work? Jeez, we have a national tax system, we have national car registration, national loads of stuff.


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post Oct 9 2016, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 8 2016, 10:40 PM) *
I must admit, when I lived in Reading, I used to get p***** off with Newbury people using our Hospital!



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post Oct 9 2016, 04:35 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Oct 9 2016, 12:41 AM) *
Ummm, yes , but I'm sure you'd moan if everyone from another planet decided to turn up on your doorstep and dump their crap.


I just don't see the problem.
If you live in Reading using the Reading tip.
If you live in Newbury use the newbury one!

I do not know, and do not care, for intricate details, but as an overall scheme, restricting you to tipping in your most local tip, I see no issue with that.

If you live in Woolton Hill go to Basingstoke? It's absurd, it really is.
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post Oct 9 2016, 06:14 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Oct 9 2016, 12:41 AM) *
Ummm, yes , but I'm sure you'd moan if everyone from another planet decided to turn up on your doorstep and dump their crap.


I just don't see the problem.
If you live in Reading using the Reading tip.
If you live in Newbury use the newbury one!

I do not know, and do not care, for intricate details, but as an overall scheme, restricting you to tipping in your most local tip, I see no issue with that.

Because for many the nearest and most convenient isn't the one in your council district.
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post Oct 9 2016, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 9 2016, 01:37 AM) *
You still don't get it.


There is no reason whatsoever for there to be a so called boundary based recycling/dumping scheme. The whole country shares the issue of waste and recycling so why on earth can't a nationally based scheme work? Jeez, we have a national tax system, we have national car registration, national loads of stuff.

HMRC, vehicle tax, hospitals etc. are taxed nationally, whereas the funds for waste collection are taxed locally from the rates council tax I believe.
Is this where the problem lies?
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post Oct 9 2016, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 9 2016, 09:34 AM) *
HMRC, vehicle tax, hospitals etc. are taxed nationally, whereas the funds for waste collection are taxed locally from the rates council tax I believe.
Is this where the problem lies?


For the plodding book keepers that presently infest local government today, that's exactly the issue. This has been going on since the end of WW2 and it's now time we put an end this once and for all. No one likes post code lotteries, let's save money as well and have all our services delivered centrally via agents.


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post Oct 9 2016, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Oct 4 2016, 12:55 PM) *
My son has already loaned his permit to a couple of neighbors just over the border! rolleyes.gif

My daughter lives just over the border and has used mine already
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post Oct 9 2016, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 9 2016, 09:49 AM) *
For the plodding book keepers that presently infest local government today, that's exactly the issue. This has been going on since the end of WW2 and it's now time we put an end this once and for all. No one likes post code lotteries, let's save money as well and have all our services delivered centrally via agents.
Be careful what you wish for.

The Government just removed the "postcode lottery" of local residents being able to choose whether they'd like to see fracking in Lancashire.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-37567866

Imagine this applied to all decisions and services.
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post Oct 9 2016, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 9 2016, 10:58 AM) *
Be careful what you wish for.

The Government just removed the "postcode lottery" of local residents being able to choose whether they'd like to see fracking in Lancashire.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-37567866

Imagine this applied to all decisions and services.


So what? I seem to remember a very large number round here didn't want the Vodafone development. Isn't the fracking issue a national issue; same reaction can be expected in any locality where it was proposed. In fact, this particular issue demonstrates why centralising things is actually fairer and better.


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