Baby Peter disclosure today Options

[Rachel]

Any one see the program about the murder of Lesley Molseed? Good job Stefan Kiszko wasn't sent to the gallows, eh?

[GMR]

Any one see the program about the murder of Lesley Molseed? Good job Stefan Kiszko wasn't sent to the gallows, eh?

First of all I agree (about Kiszko etc). Secondly; people like you bring up the same old argument. Who said that if we had the death penalty again it would be with the same flaws? This is an old trick that is used by anti-death-penalty PC's; force people to look at the past, show the faults etc. For a start who said it would play that way if we brought it back? I wouldn't accept the death penalty brought back under the same old lines. There would have to be safe guards.

[Sarah]

First of all I agree (about Kiszko etc). Secondly; people like you bring up the same old argument. Who said that if we had the death penalty again it would be with the same flaws? This is an old trick that is used by anti-death-penalty PC's; force people to look at the past, show the faults etc. For a start who said it would play that way if we brought it back? I wouldn't accept the death penalty brought back under the same old lines. There would have to be safe guards.

I think it is a very valid point, and I'd be interested to hear your ideas on safeguards that could be guaranteed 100% fool proof.

[GMR]

I think it is a very valid point, and I'd be interested to hear your ideas on safeguards that could be guaranteed 100% fool proof.

Well we have cases already that we are 100% sure of: Moor's etc. The ones you mentioned where there was doubt and therefore they should be just put into jail.

[Iommi]

Well we have cases already that we are 100% sure of: Moor's etc. The ones you mentioned where there was doubt and therefore they should be just put into jail.

There is always doubt, including sanity. All you would get are cleverer lawyers. I also resent your phrase 'trick'. We use no tricks, we simply refer to the past as a reference. The future will do the same to us.

[GMR]

There is always doubt, including sanity. All you would get are cleverer lawyers. I also resent your phrase 'trick'. We use no tricks, we simply refer to the past as a reference. The future will do the same to us.

Maybe not a trick by you, but by some who like playing semantics.

[Sarah]

Well we have cases already that we are 100% sure of: Moor's etc. The ones you mentioned where there was doubt and therefore they should be just put into jail.

As I thought, you haven't really given the subject much thought.

[GMR]

As I thought, you haven't really given the subject much thought.

I have actually... but if it ever happens it won't be me who decides... or even you.

[Sarah]

I have actually... but if it ever happens it won't be me who decides... or even you.

Thank goodness for that, I had the impression that you thought we should.

[Guest_Newbury Expat_*]

I think it is a very valid point, and I'd be interested to hear your ideas on safeguards that could be guaranteed 100% fool proof.

Agreed Sarah, a valid point from Rachel.

It could equally be said that it is a common 'trick' (hate that term but it's been used so I'll go with it) of proponents of the death penalty to say "well that's the old system, of course the new one would be better".

Um, how exactly? The penalty is a consequence of a trial and conviction which, being part of the British justice system is not 100%. Safeguards are never completely safe.

[GMR]

Agreed Sarah, a valid point from Rachel.

It could equally be said that it is a common 'trick' (hate that term but it's been used so I'll go with it) of proponents of the death penalty to say "well that's the old system, of course the new one would be better".

Um, how exactly? The penalty is a consequence of a trial and conviction which, being part of the British justice system is not 100%. Safeguards are never completely safe.

But that isn't a good enough reason not to do anything.

[Iommi]

But that isn't a good enough reason not to do anything.

But it is good enough (for me) to not have the DP.

[Guest_Newbury Expat_*]

But that isn't a good enough reason not to do anything.

The something I would do is life means life. 'Anything' isn't limited to the death penalty but as that was what was being discussed.

[GMR]

But it is good enough (for me) to not have the DP.

But as we have all different views then shouldn't there be a way to allow the majority to decide? And if you voted against it - believing it was wrong - but the majority said yes and we had it at least your conscience would be clear.

[GMR]

The something I would do is life means life. 'Anything' isn't limited to the death penalty but as that was what was being discussed.

I agree life should mean life and that life sentence shouldn't be a soft one.

[Rachel]

Ha ha! I type 21 words, light the touch paper, stand well back & wait for for the fireworks! Now THAT'S wot I call playing Devil's advocate, GMR!!!!!!!!!! But then that's what 'People like me' do I'm sorry, GMR, was too tempting x

[GMR]

Ha ha! I type 21 words, light the touch paper, stand well back & wait for for the fireworks! Now THAT'S wot I call playing Devil's advocate, GMR!!!!!!!!!! But then that's what 'People like me' do I'm sorry, GMR, was too tempting x

But I agree... and call me Glenn... it is better than saying GMR. There are many ways of playing the Devil's Advocate and your way is just as good as anybody's; but the main point is to see if people bite, as that is the way we judge. Of course such tactics are not everybody's cup of tea and if they don't like your style they usually sulk... but then again if I could please everybody I would be charging myself out to the highest bidder (even better, if I could please User I would be considered a Warlock; i.e. a caster of magical spells)

Live long and prosper my friend

[JeffG]

a caster of magical spells)

Wasn't that John Wellington Wells?

[Sarah]

Ha ha! I type 21 words, light the touch paper, stand well back & wait for for the fireworks! Now THAT'S wot I call playing Devil's advocate, GMR!!!!!!!!!! But then that's what 'People like me' do I'm sorry, GMR, was too tempting x

That's why he's no good at it, he can't restrict himself to 21 words.

[GMR]

Wasn't that John Wellington Wells?

The sorcerer in the Gilbert & Sullivan’s comic Opera; we are connoisseur my friend... nice to meet a literary mind.