Alleged UoEA Climate Research Unit Fraud Options

[dannyboy]

Those of us who were somewhat sceptical of the whole global warming evidence from the start are not entirely surprised by the content of the recent leaks from the Climate Research Unit .
We all know that we have been coming out of a mini ice age anyway , so it is fair to assume that "something" is happening to our weather . Whether this is happening because of our industrialised actions or would have occurred naturally is somewhat academic .

What is important , as already stated , is our reliance on fossil fuel energy . This finite resource has to be treated respectfully or we shall literally run out without having a viable alternative . Now it could be that the governments of the developed world recognise this and are playing the "global Warming " card to good effect in order to eek out the remaining volume . It is also a good way of implementing tax hikes .

Now far be it from me ,a mere mortal , to question the directives of our political masters but history doesn't look kindly on incompetence .

One thing is for certain though is that this one is not going to go away , so I feel that things may get a little more interesting before to long .

You mean you were sceptical human activity had anything to do with Global Warming.

It is the rate of change that is seen to be the problem, to the actual change itself.

[Sarah]

Well put Lordtup.

[Biker1]

The ambient temperature of the world fluctuates all the time.
History has shown that

Were dealing with huge forces of nature here.

What effect mankind has on this I would imagine is very small.

There are many other factors involved in this mainly involving the temperature of the sun, our distance from it etc.

Can a small change in the CO2 content of the atmosphere really prevent that much of the heat from the sun escaping from us thus raising the ambient temperature?

I am not saying that we do not need to clean up our act to conserve fuel and reduce the output of polluting gases but I believe we have little effect on the vast forces of nature.

Bet some of the people on here who support the man-made global warming theory still fly off abroad on their holidays every summer!

[dannyboy]

I am not saying that we do not need to clean up our act to reduce the output of polluting gases but I believe we have little effect on the vast forces of nature.

so why bother changing anything then?

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Mankind won't last until Climate change really affects us anyway. Its all over for the human race. Short but sweet.

[lordtup]

Mankind won't last until Climate change really affects us anyway. Its all over for the human race. Short but sweet.

Bit doom laden TDH aren't we . Though I agree as a species we have reached our zenith but perhaps we could get passed Christmas first .

[user23]

No-one has said we should carry on using energy as if it's plentiful. We need to cut down on our use because we are running out fast, we also need to be looking at alternative sustainable ways of producing it.

Try opening your mind, check out both sides of an issue before jumping to ill informed opinions.

Running out? There's still an estimated 155 years of coal left worldwide and if it has no effect on the climate let's keep pumping it into the atmosphere.

Try not to be so rude, especially when you're so wrong.

Truth is it's big business telling us that global warming is a myth because they want us to keep up current consumption rates and keep them in Caribbean islands and Lear Jets.

[Sarah]

Running out? There's still an estimated 155 years of coal left worldwide and if it has no effect on the climate let's keep pumping it into the atmosphere.

Try not to be so rude, especially when you're so wrong.

You're very selective in what part of the propaganda you believe. It suits you to believe the Global Warming part, but not the running out of fossil fuels part. I suspect the latter is the reason for all the hype and scaremongering, not to mention the vast revenue from green taxes.

And me rude...tough....get over it or put me on ignore, and as for being wrong...never. .

[Iommi]

Truth is it's big business telling us that global warming is a myth because they want us to keep up current consumption rates and keep them in Caribbean islands and Lear Jets.

And governments use what for transport?

[On the edge]

Running out? There's still an estimated 155 years of coal left worldwide and if it has no effect on the climate let's keep pumping it into the atmosphere.

An interesting number. Now lets see what it looks like if oil gets too expensive to extract and we have tgo revert to coal as a feed stock. That number drops rather a lot. In any event, terms of human existance, 155 years isn't very long. What ever measure, we are running out and I for one haven't yet spotted the celestial fuel tanker...

[Biker1]

so why bother changing anything then?

I didn't say that the burning of fossil fuels has no effect on the atmosphere, just that in the bigger picture mankind's effect on climate change I think is negligible.
It is down to forces greater than that.

The fact that fossil fuels are rapidly running out is another issue separate from climate change.

We have (or will have) burned them all up in such a short relative time that we need to be worried.

(Uless mankind is nearing it's end as per TDH! )

[Iommi]

I didn't say that the burning of fossil fuels has no effect on the atmosphere, just that in the bigger picture mankind's effect on climate change I think is negligible.
It is down to forces greater than that.

I understand that when air travel was postponed after 9/11, the temperature dropped a couple of degrees.

[Andy]

I understand that when air travel was postponed after 9/11, the temperature dropped a couple of degrees.

Correct - The result of a process is called Global Dimming and is theorized to be masking the full effects of Global Warming by cooling the planet.

Global Dimming

[dannyboy]

I didn't say that the burning of fossil fuels has no effect on the atmosphere, just that in the bigger picture mankind's effect on climate change I think is negligible.

It seems then you are saying the burning of fossil fuels has a negligible effect. If so, why worry.

[JeffG]

I'm puzzled where the 155 years comes from, which implies that it's possible to calculate this to the nearest 5 years.

[Roost]

That's actually a big error.



It's 154 years, 359 days, 6 hours, 3 minutes and 24 seconds.

[Biker1]

It seems then you are saying the burning of fossil fuels has a negligible effect. If so, why worry.

The only need to worry is that they are running out rapidly with no effective replacement.
(Except nuclear power stations)
(I wonder how much radioactive material there is left to supply these?)

There is no point in worrying about global fluctuations in temperature as there is little we can do about it.

I heard a report today that sea levels may rise by 4 1/2 feet by the end of the century caused by global warming due to the burning of fossil fuels.
Will there be any fossil fuels left to burn by the end of the century at the current rate we are burning them and plan to burn them?

[Iommi]

We'd better hurry up, the Earth will be gone in around 4.5 billion years time. Two of those will be inhabitable.

[Biker1]

We'd better hurry up, the Earth will be gone in around 4.5 billion years time. Two of those will be inhabitable.

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