Alleged UoEA Climate Research Unit Fraud Options

[Iommi]

Well, who thinks this is a hoax, or 'real'? Considering that the tax payer's money has funded this research, perhaps there should be an investigation into possible fraud or corruption? Or are they just doing the 'work' of the governments? Iraq, anyone?

An interesting story that seems to have little interest in the 'popular' media. Perhaps they smell a rat?

http://pubsecrets.wordpress.com/2009/11/21...-fraud-exposed/

http://www.climatechangefraud.com/

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2009/11...ey-cru-exposed/

[On the edge]

Al Gore drives a white Fiat, got that on good authority from Elvis last week...

[JeffG]

Yawn.

[Sarah]

I'm inclined to believe the scientists, who for the past few years have argued that we are experiencing Global Cooling and that it's all a quite natural phenomenon.

[Iommi]

Yes, but beyond that, there is a possibility of a misuse of tax payers money, that puts MPs expenses in the shade.

[Sarah]

I agree, and it needs sorting out, but what are the chances of that happening?.

I'm afraid I have little or no confidence in the honesty or integrity of either our government or the EU, and even less where America is concerned. They've gone too far down the road of Global Warming to admit they got it wrong and change course. If they can squash this story it will just strengthen their cause, and give them a blank cheque to squander.

[JeffG]

Well, you obviously know a lot more than me, so can you explain why the ice caps are melting and glaciers are receding?

[dannyboy]

Well, you obviously know a lot more than me, so can you explain why the ice caps are melting and glaciers are receding?

Oh, it's all just Nature. Doncha know we used to have glaciers at Lambourn - They've receded too & that wasn't anything to do with man [ or so the argument goes ]

[Sarah]

Well, you obviously know a lot more than me, so can you explain why the ice caps are melting and glaciers are receding?

Google Global Cooling and read some of the articles, it just might put some doubt into your mind about Global Warming and the claims that man can destroy the earth in such a short time.

[user23]

Well, you obviously know a lot more than me, so can you explain why the ice caps are melting and glaciers are receding?

Aparently it's all just a massive coincidence and we should continute to use our gas guzzling cars and energy inefficient devices.

So say studies funded by big business anyway.

[Iommi]

Aparently it's all just a massive coincidence and we should continute to use our gas guzzling cars and energy inefficient devices. So say studies funded by big business anyway.

Unlike the studies from Universities funded by the tens of millions from Governments (tax payers purse)?

[Sarah]

Aparently it's all just a massive coincidence and we should continute to use our gas guzzling cars and energy inefficient devices.

So say studies funded by big business anyway.

We can always rely on you to pop on with some sarcastic post that contributes exactly zilch to a topic.

No-one has said we should carry on using energy as if it's plentiful. We need to cut down on our use because we are running out fast, we also need to be looking at alternative sustainable ways of producing it.

Try opening your mind, check out both sides of an issue before jumping to ill informed opinions.

[JeffG]

You can deny global warming all you want. It's not going to change what I see and hear on the news on a daily basis.

Cases can also be made for the earth being flat, and creationism.

[dannyboy]

We can always rely on you to pop on with some sarcastic post that contributes exactly zilch to a topic.

No-one has said we should carry on using energy as if it's plentiful. We need to cut down on our use because we are running out fast, we also need to be looking at alternative sustainable ways of producing it.

Try opening your mind, check out both sides of an issue before jumping to ill informed opinions.

Bayer are busy solving the biofuel problem by planting India with GM Jatropha.

[Biker1]

We need to cut down on our use because we are running out fast, we also need to be looking at alternative sustainable ways of producing it.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

It exits either within the planet or on the radiation that shines upon us.

We cannot produce it - just find ways of converting it for our use.

[Sarah]

You can deny global warming all you want. It's not going to change what I see and hear on the news on a daily basis.

Cases can also be made for the earth being flat, and creationism.

It makes little difference whether we believe in Warming or Cooling, the main thing is that we save energy.

The issue here is an old one, can we really believe the propaganda put out by the powers that be, and if there has been a cover up shouldn't there be an investigation.

[Sarah]

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

It exits either within the planet or on the radiation that shines upon us.

We cannot produce it - just find ways of converting it for our use.

Isn't that rather splitting hairs.

[Andy1]

Energy cannot be created or destroyed.

It exits either within the planet or on the radiation that shines upon us.

We cannot produce it - just find ways of converting it for our use.

We're not converting it enough though. We using coal fired power stations to produce the power we need to live.

Propaganda has been mentioned in other posts, well that is coming from both sides, one side saying millions of jobs are at risk, the other saying our planet is at risk. The issue is down to how we live our daily lives, the amount of wasted food, when other people are starving, the amount of desease because people are living in poor conditions, the amount of Wars because of Religion, Oil and land. Whilst all this goes on little Tommy will get his Playstation 3 for Christmas and Play Call Of Duty.

We live in a consumer society and whilst it is your right to spend your money on what and how you want, someone else in the world is being exploited so that you can. This isn't propaganda, it is fact.

[dannyboy]

What I find amusing is that the Climatologists have only been caught using the same dirty tricks the oil companies have been using for decades......

[lordtup]

Those of us who were somewhat sceptical of the whole global warming evidence from the start are not entirely surprised by the content of the recent leaks from the Climate Research Unit .
We all know that we have been coming out of a mini ice age anyway , so it is fair to assume that "something" is happening to our weather . Whether this is happening because of our industrialised actions or would have occurred naturally is somewhat academic .

What is important , as already stated , is our reliance on fossil fuel energy . This finite resource has to be treated respectfully or we shall literally run out without having a viable alternative . Now it could be that the governments of the developed world recognise this and are playing the "global Warming " card to good effect in order to eek out the remaining volume . It is also a good way of implementing tax hikes .

Now far be it from me ,a mere mortal , to question the directives of our political masters but history doesn't look kindly on incompetence .

One thing is for certain though is that this one is not going to go away , so I feel that things may get a little more interesting before to long .