SNP - Should we all move to Scotland?, Disaster looms for the English Options

[user23]

Interesting that you see them as sitting on the right of Labour.

You're right (pun intended) I meant left.

They remind me a bit of early 80s Labour, scrapping Trident, raising taxes, etc.

[Simon Kirby]

They remind me a bit of early 80s Labour, scrapping Trident, raising taxes, etc.

I'd say they had a deal more credibility than 80's Labour.

[user23]

I'd say they had a deal more credibility than 80's Labour.

Not in most of England.

[Simon Kirby]

Not in most of England.

Difficult to say, but from here in the South that looks to be popularly true. I suspect though that the further away from London and the South East you go the more sympathy the English have for the SNP's aspirations of localism and self-determination, and the less time they have for the LibLabConKip Home-Counties nonces and their Westminster-centric view of National politics.

[Strafin]

In my circle so friends, I can say that many admire and appreciate the SNP and their ways. They wouldn't vote for them as inhabitants of England, they are unlikely to offer enough to make up for the Scottish focus. But they are jealous that the Scots have a party like them.

[On the edge]

I can see where User23 is coming from saying the SNP are to the right of Labour. The party did have a distinct left / right divide. Gaitskell v Bevan essentially. The hard right came later. However, the old right was generally seen by us soft Londoners as 'the home of the professional northerners', dour, thrifty, a spade is a spade strength workers - who didn't go much on us Fabian, white collar office workers! That's why SNP are big in Glasgow, where the likes of Mandleson and Blair do as much as Cameron or Clegg.

[Berkshirelad]

British MPs voting on British matters - that's how democracy works. You're creating a false paradox.

Exactly so.

However, there is a perception of unfairness in that MPs from constituencies in Scotland will be able to vote as British MPs on matters than only affect England & Wales

[Berkshirelad]

Large numbers are, what can only be described as racist, in their anti English views, yet Camerloon continues to pander to them £directly + indirectly£.

Can't be racist as both parties are white Caucasian.

Maybe jingoistic, but not racist

[On the edge]

Exactly so.

However, there is a perception of unfairness in that MPs from constituencies in Scotland will be able to vote as British MPs on matters than only affect England & Wales

But as we keep seeing, most matters do affect Britian as a whole. If the 'British' majority wanted to end the Barnett formula, it could - very easily. A majority of English MPs would outvote the Scottish ones.

Similarly, England could vote for no prescription charges and even free further education; but they didn't. In spite of their vote mongering retoric, even the LibDems walked away from that.

[Simon Kirby]

Exactly so.

However, there is a perception of unfairness in that MPs from constituencies in Scotland will be able to vote as British MPs on matters than only affect England & Wales

Yes, there is an anomaly, but TD&H's outrage was over-stated.