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post Apr 23 2015, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Apr 23 2015, 10:53 AM) *
Congratulations goes to Simon Kirby and Mark Knight for never succumbing to the barriers that they faced for such a long time to reveal the reports that should never have been hidden from public view. This success could if pressed home lead to further questions that have been fudged by the leadership of Newbury Town Council finally being answered. I have to say that both Simon and Mark would have made genuinely excellent Liberal Democrat candidates, but my parties loss is the Apoliticals gain. Yours, Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera Liberal Democrat 'whistleblower'





I second that.

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post Apr 23 2015, 02:47 PM
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Is Petra related to Pauline?
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post Apr 23 2015, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Apr 23 2015, 10:53 AM) *
Congratulations goes to Simon Kirby and Mark Knight for never succumbing to the barriers that they faced for such a long time to reveal the reports that should never have been hidden from public view.

This success could if pressed home lead to further questions that have been fudged by the leadership of Newbury Town Council finally being answered.

I have to say that both Simon and Mark would have made genuinely excellent Liberal Democrat candidates, but my parties loss is the Apoliticals gain.

Yours,

Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera
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Totally agree! He should wear his vexatious badge with honour. Whilst the useless Councillors should hang their heads in shame and do the honourable thing and immediately resign. angry.gif


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post Apr 23 2015, 05:58 PM
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Thanks Ruwan! Just for the avoidance of doubt, as those who come to NEWTS realise, I am the other Apolitical standing with Simon - I'll wear a vexatious medal with pride.


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post Apr 23 2015, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 22 2015, 06:48 PM) *
But it isn't and still isn't


They are learned people, but I wager that their 'agenda' is likely to be more balanced than that of an entity that wishes to pursue a hidden one. However, if you have evidence, lets see it. Show me how you can justify a cynical stance on their judgement?


Only if they wish to pursue an unjustifiable stance; however, agreeing or disagreeing isn't the issue: it is what is reasonable, and the council's actions, had they chose that route, would have been unjustifiable when measured by 'common sense'.


You obviously don't recognise satire or irony when you read it (don't worry, I recognise trolling when I see it, but this is fun!). However, your arguments remain incoherent as you offer no supplementary ideas other than to contradict and as the old comedy sketch goes: "this isn't an argument; it's just contradiction". I have no doubt you are not thick, but the problem is it takes a lot of imagination to defend the indefensible and you don't seem to show much of that.


How is that an issue? I doubt few people will be motivated to do anything ridiculous; no more ridiculous than building a multi-story development and underground car park in a marsh, anyway.


This shows your ignorance of the judgement. NTC were not defending anything litigious; they were just judged to have behaved unnecessarily. Perhaps now things are in the open the council may be free to explain themselves.




I wonder of anyone is wishing they'd just let Simon have his allotment back, yet? tongue.gif



Dear Mr Capp,

I think you are under the misapprehension that I joined this forum to debate with the numbskulls on here. You are wrong. I am on here to give another side to the one-sided arguments that are constantly spouted. I am neither worried that you answer me or criticise me or follow your usual diatribe of “don’t feed the trolls” or putting people on “ignore,” whom you can’t get the better of. If this was a private conversation then that would be a different matter. But this is an open forum for all to read. It is more to do with those that view or are on here, but refuse to partake with the fatuous elements on this forum.

Since coming on here I’ve had quite a few PMs saying that it is nice to see somebody standing up to the bully boys on here. Even when people have said they disagree with me, they’ve at least appreciated my point of view (which is so refreshing on here). It is not about you, but those outside judging.

Didn’t you say on here once that you “can’t educate pork”? I agree, that is why I am not interested in trying to educate you, but to respond to a more intelligent element that is on here and beyond. Whether you answer me or not, that is your prerogative, but I shall continue replying to your misinformed or ignorant waffles you so much love sermonizing about.

You, above all else, is the one who is the local Troll. You are on here everyday, every week and every year. Taking your 9,000 odd posts and adding them to your other names you have written approximately 30,000 posts. So I can understand this forum is your life, where no life exists beyond this forum. I don’t blame you for that as we all need something extra in ou lives to make it all bearable. But I would say one thing, there are others here with different points of view other than your self-serving own viewpoint.

Take a leaf out of Monsieurs User23, Blackdog, Crackerjack, On the Edge, Biker1, Simon Kirby and one or two others on here in how to debate without being abusive or up ones own nose.

Yours,

Petra.

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post Apr 23 2015, 07:05 PM
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For those of you who have read the report, has anyone noticed that the Parkway bridge actually has a name. I have never heard it called anything other than Park Way or Parkway bridge and perhaps the old bridge which was known locally as the American Bridge. Anyway it is referred to in the report, twice I believe as Fishbone Bridge. Where did that come from I ask. I note that Mr Singleton on the letters page of the NWN, has nicknamed it Troll Bridge.
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post Apr 23 2015, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Apr 23 2015, 10:53 AM) *
Congratulations goes to Simon Kirby and Mark Knight for never succumbing to the barriers that they faced for such a long time to reveal the reports that should never have been hidden from public view.

This success could if pressed home lead to further questions that have been fudged by the leadership of Newbury Town Council finally being answered.

I have to say that both Simon and Mark would have made genuinely excellent Liberal Democrat candidates, but my parties loss is the Apoliticals gain.

Yours,

Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera
Liberal Democrat 'whistleblower'

Thank you Ruwan. There is certainly a stink at Newbury Town Council, and it won't just go away. I hope I get the chance to do something more about it.


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post Apr 23 2015, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 23 2015, 06:58 PM) *
Thanks Ruwan! Just for the avoidance of doubt, as those who come to NEWTS realise, I am the other Apolitical standing with Simon - I'll wear a vexatious medal with pride.

Well outed Mark. smile.gif


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post Apr 23 2015, 09:34 PM
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You've got my vote OtE! As would you Simon if I could, will be encouraging my family who live in the ward you're standing in to vote for you!

Having read the report, still baffled as to what was so confidential/contentious that NTC couldn't have saved themselves a load of faff and just published it in the first place. Hopefully you both get elected, so that there can be a massive change towards transparency. After all, I think a lot of credibility can be gained from that and a bit of humility!
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post Apr 23 2015, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 23 2015, 07:40 PM) *
Dear Mr Capp,

I think you are under the misapprehension that I joined this forum to debate with the numbskulls on here. You are wrong. I am on here to give another side to the one-sided arguments that are constantly spouted. I am neither worried that you answer me or criticise me or follow your usual diatribe of “don’t feed the trolls” or putting people on “ignore,” whom you can’t get the better of. If this was a private conversation then that would be a different matter. But this is an open forum for all to read. It is more to do with those that view or are on here, but refuse to partake with the fatuous elements on this forum.

Since coming on here I’ve had quite a few PMs saying that it is nice to see somebody standing up to the bully boys on here. Even when people have said they disagree with me, they’ve at least appreciated my point of view (which is so refreshing on here). It is not about you, but those outside judging.

Didn’t you say on here once that you “can’t educate pork”? I agree, that is why I am not interested in trying to educate you, but to respond to a more intelligent element that is on here and beyond. Whether you answer me or not, that is your prerogative, but I shall continue replying to your misinformed or ignorant waffles you so much love sermonizing about.

You, above all else, is the one who is the local Troll. You are on here everyday, every week and every year. Taking your 9,000 odd posts and adding them to your other names you have written approximately 30,000 posts. So I can understand this forum is your life, where no life exists beyond this forum. I don’t blame you for that as we all need something extra in ou lives to make it all bearable. But I would say one thing, there are others here with different points of view other than your self-serving own viewpoint.

Take a leaf out of Monsieurs User23, Blackdog, Crackerjack, On the Edge, Biker1, Simon Kirby and one or two others on here in how to debate without being abusive or up ones own nose.

Yours,

Petra.


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post Apr 23 2015, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (J C @ Apr 23 2015, 10:34 PM) *
You've got my vote OtE! As would you Simon if I could, will be encouraging my family who live in the ward you're standing in to vote for you!

Having read the report, still baffled as to what was so confidential/contentious that NTC couldn't have saved themselves a load of faff and just published it in the first place. Hopefully you both get elected, so that there can be a massive change towards transparency. After all, I think a lot of credibility can be gained from that and a bit of humility!

Well that's kind, and encouraging, thank you. I really hope we get the chance to do some more good.


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post Apr 23 2015, 10:02 PM
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Sadly the electorate are sheep, so I would be surprised if you all made 4 figures.
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post Apr 23 2015, 10:42 PM
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Would someone clarify if all this stuff is incumbent on the NTC? Was it their responsibility to investigate and 'pay' for remedial work?
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post Apr 24 2015, 12:02 AM
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Interesting that JSH said they didn't want to publish the documents because it would put them at an unfair tactical disadvantage because their opponent are not required to make public its evidence!

Eh??? huh.gif
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post Apr 24 2015, 06:20 AM
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QUOTE (J C @ Apr 23 2015, 10:34 PM) *
You've got my vote OtE! As would you Simon if I could, will be encouraging my family who live in the ward you're standing in to vote for you!

Having read the report, still baffled as to what was so confidential/contentious that NTC couldn't have saved themselves a load of faff and just published it in the first place. Hopefully you both get elected, so that there can be a massive change towards transparency. After all, I think a lot of credibility can be gained from that and a bit of humility!


Thanks!


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post Apr 24 2015, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (Petra @ Apr 23 2015, 06:40 PM) *
Dear Mr Capp,

.........

Didn’t you say on here once that you “can’t educate pork”? I agree, that is why I am not interested in trying to educate you, but to respond to a more intelligent element that is on here and beyond. Whether you answer me or not, that is your prerogative, but I shall continue replying to your misinformed or ignorant waffles you so much love sermonizing about.

......

Take a leaf out of Monsieurs User23, Blackdog, Crackerjack, On the Edge, Biker1, Simon Kirby and one or two others on here in how to debate without being abusive or up ones own nose.

Yours,

Petra.


Advice that you are obviously not taking yourself then!
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post Apr 24 2015, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (MontyPython @ Apr 24 2015, 03:12 PM) *
Advice that you are obviously not taking yourself then!



Yes a case of know your place and do as you are told not as I do! rolleyes.gif


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post Apr 24 2015, 04:30 PM
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It saves talking on-topic. I have no idea where the putting on ignore, 30,000 posts, or bully boys comes from. Sounds like someone's on a wind-up. Attacking me means that people can post something when they are unable to address the issues in hand I suppose.



On topic: I suppose that 'most likely' isn't a strong enough position to go to court. I presume therefore, the only rational reason I can think of to withhold the document is that it was seen as a bargaining tool with Costain, OR West Berkshire Council's Environmental Agency asked the council if they would not publish, as it were.
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post Apr 24 2015, 04:46 PM
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Petra's posts remind me of the "Bag Lady" tramp on Waterloo station, shouting at the passers-by, generally with irrelevant or incomprehensible comments, as she swigs on her bottle of Gin. Does anyone else get the same feeling?
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post Apr 24 2015, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (MontyPython @ Apr 24 2015, 05:46 PM) *
Petra's posts remind me of the "Bag Lady" tramp on Waterloo station, shouting at the passers-by, generally with irrelevant or incomprehensible comments, as she swigs on her bottle of Gin. Does anyone else get the same feeling?


Yes. Actually, now come to say that, there was a lady - with bag - at Waterloo, shouting her head off as the police dragged her away. But no, too much of a coincidence, but then again, and as Mulder once said, anything is possible. Even aliens.

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