Our border in France., What's wrong with having it in UK? Options

[On the edge]

Except the Europeans arrived back in force in 1066! And never left.

Except they didn't....

[je suis Charlie]

Except they didn't....

Explain?

[On the edge]

Explain?

In simple terms, the Roman Empire was a common market, with a common currency and a common law whereas William was a contender for the Throne. 1066 was actually a family bust up; where the b a startd won. (Banned word used in correct context)

[blackdog]

They already check passports and tickets on Eurostar and Planes so for those who travel the normal ways would have had to have shown where they come from.

So, they arrive in a normal way on a tourist visa.

They then burn their passport, change their name, and settle down in the black economy for a year or two. Eventually they may claim asylum to get access to benefits, NHS care etc.

[On the edge]

So, they arrive in a normal way on a tourist visa.

They then burn their passport, change their name, and settle down in the black economy for a year or two. Eventually they may claim asylum to get access to benefits, NHS care etc.

As apparently many believe the problem is such a serious threat to national security, lets clamp down on Tourist Visas.

[On the edge]

So, they arrive in a normal way on a tourist visa.

They then burn their passport, change their name, and settle down in the black economy for a year or two. Eventually they may claim asylum to get access to benefits, NHS care etc.

As apparently many believe the problem is such a serious threat to national security, lets clamp down on Tourist Visas.

[blackdog]

As apparently many believe the problem is such a serious threat to national security, lets clamp down on Tourist Visas.

Do they?

It's a loophole used by some to circumvent immigration rules, but I can't see it as a huge security threat.

[On the edge]

Do they?

It's a loophole used by some to circumvent immigration rules, but I can't see it as a huge security threat.

I meant there are said to be large numbers of is in the UK who want to effectively seal off our boarder to keep out immigrants; because hordes of terrorists are gaining access by pretending to be asylum seekers / economic migrants.

[je suis Charlie]

As apparently many believe the problem is such a serious threat to national security, lets clamp down on Tourist Visas.

The USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand all have border control with much stricter immigration and visitor rules.

[On the edge]

The USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand all have border control with much stricter immigration and visitor rules.

Yes, they do, I'm making no judgement, I just want to be assured that people do fully realise what they are saying with soundbite remarks. The American point is interesting - Donald Trump doesn't agree with you, hence his demand for a wall...

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Except the Europeans arrived back in force in 1066! And never left.

Let them all in. No pressure on public services I can see. After all Falkland surgery only have 14000 patients now. May as well make it 250000 as it won't make any difference. You still wont get to see a bl00dy doctor!

[Simon Kirby]

Let them all in. No pressure on public services I can see. After all Falkland surgery only have 14000 patients now. May as well make it 250000 as it won't make any difference. You still wont get to see a bl00dy doctor!

You know of course that the pre-Roman Brits were short, blond, and ugly - tall dark and handsome sounds suspiciously Mediterranean to me...

[TallDarkAndHands...]

You know of course that the pre-Roman Brits were short, blond, and ugly - tall dark and handsome sounds suspiciously Mediterranean to me...

Where did you get that picture of me?

"Kirby" means "Dark Son" so I may be from the med but all indications are you are from further south!!!

[Simon Kirby]

Where did you get that picture of me?

[Berkshirelad]

Yes, and should the UK vote no in the EU referendum we'd see "the Jungle" in Calais move from Calais to Dover.

The border control being in Calais has absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Whichever way we vote.

It is a simple bilateral treaty between two sovereign states and is outwith any EU interference. It exists to make life simpler for bona fide travellers in both directions as border security is dealt with as you arrive at the port and not as everybody gets off the train and has to queue.

Furthermore, in order to set up a 'jungle' in Kent, the migrants would first have to get through the border.

The US has a bilateral deal with Eire. If you fly from Dublin or Shannon to the USA, you clear border controls at the departure airport rather than on arrival in the US

[je suis Charlie]

But, if we had the 'jungle' in Dover it would be so much more convenient for the activists luvvies to go throw rock at the police. I mean, why not?

[Andy Capp]

We wouldn't have a Jungle; that's daft. It would have to be prison for it to have any inhabitants. The Jungle exists because people are queuing to get in to the UK and once in the people would disperse.

[blackdog]

We wouldn't have a Jungle; that's daft. It would have to be prison for it to have any inhabitants. The Jungle exists because people are queuing to get in to the UK and once in the people would disperse.

Quite right(ish). Thousands do get through to the UK and we do have prisons for them- our detention centres are bulging at the seams.

[Cognosco]

Quite right(ish). Thousands do get through to the UK and we do have prisons for them- our detention centres are bulging at the seams.

Illegal immigrants do not get sent to prison they get sent to a detention center, providing one is available of course which very often is not the case, whilst their circumstances are investigate. As the majority of them have no paperwork or any form of identification, often on purpose I believe, then it is very hard indeed to send them back to any other country. Police officers often detain them when found but as there is not enough detention center places for them they then get let out on bail and of course then disappear. again.
The only sure way to stop illegals is to ensure they aren't able to enter the UK in the first place but how you do that has not been decided yet!

[Berkshirelad]

Illegal immigrants do not get sent to prison they get sent to a detention center,

Whereas in Calais, they have built their own...

If an asylum seeker is allowed asylum in an EU country, then after a couple of years, they have the right to avail themselves of free movement within the EU (currently including the UK). Don't confuse this with Schengen which is about border control and not free movement between countries.

Our problem with immigration (if you accept that there is too much at the moment) is that we can only deny access to non-EU citizens. This prevents us controlling numbers of immigrants effectively as well as being entirely unfair on non-EU applicants.

If we leave the EU, we can effectively control all immigration - perhaps with a points system like US, Canada, Australia and others.