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Oct 6 2013, 08:29 AM
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According to this site there is a vast difference across the UK. And we are nowhere near the top!!
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Oct 6 2013, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 6 2013, 09:29 AM) According to this site there is a vast difference across the UK. And we are nowhere near the top!! Well I am sure they will soon rectify that as soon as they read this!
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Oct 8 2013, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 2 2013, 10:22 PM) Richard, can you not find out why we supermarkets price things differently in different areas? That is to say, why are they lower in similarly sized towns else where? What is the driver, or threshold that effects the price? Tesco and Sainsbury's simply match the lowest price. ASDA pride themselves on being the cheapest on fuel / grocery prices and competitors will only ever match them where they have a store. The recent fuel price reductions were part of a move by all retailers to cut prices in line with supply costs which fell a few weeks ago. As fuel is bought in advance, it usually takes a few weeks for the savings to be passed on (if at all). What you'll find is ASDA don't do fuel price gimmicks like "spend £50 to get 5p off", they just charge the cheapest price they can. Other retailers try to boost sales in store by offering the loyalty coupons. I asked lots of questions of the CEO at TESCO and also Justin King at Sainsbury's, and let's say Phil Clarke wasn't best pleased!! To be fair to Sainsbury's, they basically said there wasn't a law against charging more when there was not a discounter in certain markets, and they are right. Until the government look at the price manipulation, they will carry on doing it.
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Oct 8 2013, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Oct 8 2013, 08:47 PM) I see the price at Tesco has gone up 1p....... It will. When they drop like they did, it's usually in reaction to cuts by ASDA and Morrisons. If you look at the headlines in the Standard etc over the past few weeks, they typically read "ASDA to cut fuel by 3p" "Morrisons to follow ASDA on fuel price cut" and then there will be something about the others. Tesco and Sainsbury's always the last to lower prices, and shortly after they float slowly up. Wait until Xmas, and the bank holidays. Sainsbury's are renowned for putting 2p on the price of fuel for the bank holiday days, and then it drops again. Very, very strange.
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Oct 8 2013, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 8 2013, 08:42 PM) I asked lots of questions of the CEO at TESCO and also Justin King at Sainsbury's, and let's say Phil Clarke wasn't best pleased!! To be fair to Sainsbury's, they basically said there wasn't a law against charging more when there was not a discounter in certain markets, and they are right. Until the government look at the price manipulation, they will carry on doing it. In effect, you are saying there is a lack of local competition.
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Oct 9 2013, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 8 2013, 11:19 PM) In effect, you are saying there is a lack of local competition. No I think he is saying 'Can I have a job please ASDA'
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Oct 9 2013, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Oct 8 2013, 08:42 PM) Until the government look at the price manipulation, they will carry on doing it. You lose credibility talking about "price manipulation". This is just how the free-market works, and even if there isn't a "discounter" in Newbury the market is still perfectly free because there is plenty of competition and consumers are free to buy from where they choose, be that around Newbury or at the other end of any regular commute. You vision of the government fixing this "price manipulation" shouts loud of the very worst kind of socialist big-state centralist meddling - very much like Red Ed's idea of fixing energy prices.
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Oct 9 2013, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 9 2013, 12:24 PM) You lose credibility talking about "price manipulation". This is just how the free-market works, and even if there isn't a "discounter" in Newbury the market is still perfectly free because there is plenty of competition and consumers are free to buy from where they choose, be that around Newbury or at the other end of any regular commute.
You vision of the government fixing this "price manipulation" shouts loud of the very worst kind of socialist big-state centralist meddling - very much like Red Ed's idea of fixing energy prices. Hear Hear!!
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Oct 9 2013, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 9 2013, 12:24 PM) You lose credibility talking about "price manipulation". This is just how the free-market works, and even if there isn't a "discounter" in Newbury the market is still perfectly free because there is plenty of competition and consumers are free to buy from where they choose, be that around Newbury or at the other end of any regular commute.
You vision of the government fixing this "price manipulation" shouts loud of the very worst kind of socialist big-state centralist meddling - very much like Red Ed's idea of fixing energy prices. So 'free market' = best? What Newbury exemplifies is what happens when you have a postcode lottery. The illusion of choice.
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Oct 9 2013, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Oct 9 2013, 12:00 PM) No I think he is saying 'Can I have a job please ASDA' So I was right first time.
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Oct 9 2013, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 9 2013, 12:24 PM) You lose credibility talking about "price manipulation". This is just how the free-market works, and even if there isn't a "discounter" in Newbury the market is still perfectly free because there is plenty of competition and consumers are free to buy from where they choose, be that around Newbury or at the other end of any regular commute.
You vision of the government fixing this "price manipulation" shouts loud of the very worst kind of socialist big-state centralist meddling - very much like Red Ed's idea of fixing energy prices. I feel uneasy about a supermarket charging a different price for the same item in different parts of the country. They control our food right through the supply chain. It perhaps isn't manipulation, but it smacks of profiteering. Incidentally, I don't think Ed Milliband was talking about fixing prices. More, he seemed to be implying tighter regulation. A good thing I think.
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Oct 9 2013, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 9 2013, 04:28 PM) I feel uneasy about a supermarket charging a different price for the same item in different parts of the country. They control our food right through the supply chain. It perhaps isn't manipulation, but it smacks of profiteering.
Incidentally, I don't think Ed Milliband was talking about fixing prices. More, he seemed to be implying tighter regulation. A good thing I think. The Regulator agreed that my season ticket should go up dread to think what they'd do to petrol prices.
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Oct 9 2013, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 9 2013, 04:28 PM) I feel uneasy about a supermarket charging a different price for the same item in different parts of the country. They control our food right through the supply chain. It perhaps isn't manipulation, but it smacks of profiteering. If it was one single supermarket that controlled the whole market then that wouldn't be a free market and the lack of competition would be a problem, with higher prices and poor efficiency. As it is there are a number of independent supermarkets competing with each other and competing too against a range of smaller local players so it's as free as a market can be, and food is more or less cheaper now than it has ever been. If a shop (be it supermarket, corner shop, farmers market, whatever) had cornered the supply of a scarce and desirable commodity and was taking advantage of the consumer's need and their monopoly of supply by selling the commodity at an inflated price then that would be profiteering, but simply charging a different price for an item in different locations is just good business nous, taking advantage of the regional differences in taste and affluence. You wouldn't expect independent retailers to charge the exact same price for the same item in different locations - why would they - so I don't see why you'd expect different branches of the same retailer to charge the same unless the retailer was so centralised and rigid that it's systems couldn't cope with regional differences, and I doubt any national that inflexible would last long outside of a socialist autocracy. QUOTE (newres @ Oct 9 2013, 04:28 PM) Incidentally, I don't think Ed Milliband was talking about fixing prices. More, he seemed to be implying tighter regulation. A good thing I think. Milliband is quoted as saying "For too long the companies have been able to over-charge people. Somebody's got to stand up and be counted. We're absolutely confident the companies can stomach this, can make this happen, and we're going to make this happen. That's why we'll freeze energy bills until the beginning of 2017 if we win the election. That will benefit 1.5 million businesses across our country, make a big difference to them."
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Oct 9 2013, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Oct 9 2013, 05:31 PM) If a shop (be it supermarket, corner shop, farmers market, whatever) had cornered the supply of a scarce and desirable commodity and was taking advantage of the consumer's need and their monopoly of supply by selling the commodity at an inflated price then that would be profiteering, but simply charging a different price for an item in different locations is just good business nous, taking advantage of the regional differences in taste and affluence. You wouldn't expect independent retailers to charge the exact same price for the same item in different locations - why would they - so I don't see why you'd expect different branches of the same retailer to charge the same unless the retailer was so centralised and rigid that it's systems couldn't cope with regional differences, and I doubt any national that inflexible would last long outside of a socialist autocracy.
" But they don't charge different prices for anything else. Just fuel.
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