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post Feb 14 2019, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 08:04 PM) *
That may be more to do with the growth of emerging economies as anything if it transpires. It seems to me that people are desperate for the EU to collapse because it would make our population look less stupid when our own economy collapses.

Or it may be more to do with most of the European major economies circling the drain.


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post Feb 14 2019, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 08:04 PM) *
That may be more to do with the growth of emerging economies as anything if it transpires. It seems to me that people are desperate for the EU to collapse because it would make our population look less stupid when our own economy collapses.


Might be worth reading Nick Comfort's latest book. Very good discourse looking at the collapse of UK commerce since 1952. A chapter explains the failure of our education system illustrated by the reduction in examination standards, the simplification of the cirriculem etc. Followed by a chapter saying much the same thing about our further education approach. In simple terms, these days clever people might not be anywhere near as clever as they might imagine.
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post Feb 14 2019, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 14 2019, 08:04 PM) *
That may be more to do with the growth of emerging economies as anything if it transpires. It seems to me that people are desperate for the EU to collapse because it would make our population look less stupid when our own economy collapses.

Whereas Europhiles like you are desperate for the UK to collapse. Just so you can say "told you". SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.
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post Feb 14 2019, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Feb 14 2019, 09:56 PM) *
Might be worth reading Nick Comfort's latest book. Very good discourse looking at the collapse of UK commerce since 1952. A chapter explains the failure of our education system illustrated by the reduction in examination standards, the simplification of the cirriculem etc. Followed by a chapter saying much the same thing about our further education approach. In simple terms, these days clever people might not be anywhere near as clever as they might imagine.

Couldn't agree more.
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post Feb 15 2019, 12:33 AM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Feb 14 2019, 09:56 PM) *
Might be worth reading Nick Comfort's latest book. Very good discourse looking at the collapse of UK commerce since 1952. A chapter explains the failure of our education system illustrated by the reduction in examination standards, the simplification of the cirriculem etc. Followed by a chapter saying much the same thing about our further education approach. In simple terms, these days clever people might not be anywhere near as clever as they might imagine.

If you only think you're clever you probably aren't. Eh newres.


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post Feb 15 2019, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 14 2019, 09:06 PM) *
The days of Union's holding the Country to ransom are gone.

Apart from the railways?? rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 15 2019, 10:19 AM
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I'm not sure how I missed it at the time, but it seems that the European Parliament's Brexit steering committee (six MEPs and Guy Verhofstadt) has told Ireland (not the UK) that it must set up a hard customs border in the event of a no deal Brexit, or face being ejected from the customs union itself - effectively stating that the integrity of customs union overrides the Good Friday Agreement.

Elmar Brok, of the steering committee said:
“We would have to set up a customs border with Ireland. The defence of the internal market is the basis of our economic success in Germany. If we destroy the Single Market, the EU is finished.”

Philippe Lamberts, also of the steering committee said:
"The British would have a 500km backdoor into the single market. If Ireland refuses to protect the border with Northern Ireland after a hard Brexit, we would have to relocate the customs border to the Continent."

Original German article here:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/b ... 51148.html

Ireland doesn't want a hard border. "Great Britain" doesn't want a hard border. Northern Ireland doesn't want a hard border. No part of the British Isles wants a hard border. The European Parliament says Ireland has an obligation to set up a hard border or it gets kicked out.

So either the EU forces Ireland* to break the Good Friday Agreement, or the EU ejects a member state.

That's a rather interesting change of tack from the EU which seems to have always insisted the UK would be responsible for such a hard border - and quite a distance from Tusk's comments later the same day:

"The top priority for us, remains the issue of the border on the island of Ireland, and the guarantee to maintain the peace process in accordance with the Good Friday Agreement. There is no room for speculation here. The EU itself is first and foremost a peace project. We will not gamble with peace; or put a sell-by date on reconciliation."

Right now it seems to be "**** Good Friday, because our customs union".

I suspect more movement on this issue is to come. From the EU27.

*Like it forced Ireland into a crippling bank bailout package in 2010


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post Feb 15 2019, 01:20 PM
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Meanwhile, on the continent, Ford's just sacked a couple thousand in Bordeaux and Saarlouis, with 20,000 jobs reportedly under threat, as part of a European restructuring - there's a non-zero chance of Ford pulling out of Europe entirely, like GM, but otherwise Jim Farley has been pretty scathing about the performance and health of Ford Europe. It's also just employed a couple thousand at a factory in Craiova, in Romania - which is great news for the French and German workers who lost their jobs, as they have freedom of movement to Romania.

Personally I find Ford UK's warnings about how Brexit will affect it to be comical in that context, particularly while it makes Transits in also-non-EU Turkey rather than in Southampton...😂


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post Feb 15 2019, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 14 2019, 10:03 PM) *
Whereas Europhiles like you are desperate for the UK to collapse. Just so you can say "told you". SHAME. SHAME. SHAME.


No, I would rather be proved wrong. If I jumped off a cliff and didn't seriously injure myself then I would also be happy with that outcome.
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post Feb 15 2019, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Feb 15 2019, 06:04 PM) *
No, I would rather be proved wrong. If I jumped off a cliff and didn't seriously injure myself then I would also be happy with that outcome.

Have you ever jumped off a cliff?
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post Feb 15 2019, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 15 2019, 06:10 PM) *
Have you ever jumped off a cliff?

Only a suicide or a moron would do so.
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post Feb 15 2019, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 15 2019, 08:32 PM) *
Only a suicide or a moron would do so.

Shame on you. Suicide and "moron" should not be in the same sentence. Sad. You really are losing the plot. 42 days. Tic toc
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post Feb 15 2019, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Feb 14 2019, 09:56 PM) *
the cirriculem etc.



Including spelling, one imagines biggrin.gif ohmy.gif
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post Feb 15 2019, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 15 2019, 09:30 AM) *
Apart from the railways?? rolleyes.gif


Well, they only seems to do bits of it at any one time rather than the whole shebang
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post Feb 15 2019, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Feb 15 2019, 08:58 PM) *
Including spelling, one imagines biggrin.gif ohmy.gif


Ah, yes, my favourite American author, Mark Twain.
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 15 2019, 06:10 PM) *
Have you ever jumped off a cliff?


No, I haven't.
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandaBellEnd @ Feb 15 2019, 06:10 PM) *
Have you ever jumped off a cliff?


You are a very strange forum jockey
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QUOTE (Andyisadick @ Feb 18 2019, 02:50 PM) *
You are a very strange forum jockey

Whereas you are just strange.
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 15 2019, 09:47 PM) *
Shame on you. Suicide and "moron" should not be in the same sentence. Sad. You really are losing the plot. 42 days. Tic toc
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Why’s that?
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