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post Jun 7 2017, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 7 2017, 09:42 AM) *
Of course we did - the Gulf wars were just a recent a escalation by the West - like most previous attempts to stamp out terrorism by sending in the army the main result has been to increase terrorism.

Did we? Other than plo attacks where Israel was the target? I cant think of any before Gulf War 1. I'm sure you're right though.
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post Jun 7 2017, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 7 2017, 10:48 AM) *
Yes, Je Suise as Teddy Rooseevelt once said, talk softly but carry a big stick. Does seem to work. Nevertheless, thanks to Mrs May and her chums, our navy and army have been so stripped of resource that they are almost ineffective and of course, under get patronage, our Police service similarly. Ironically, the only thing we have left is talk.

Do you really think someone who cares more about Party policy than national defence is really the right person to lead us in this fight?

Interestingly you use the phrase 'big stick' as well as 'national defense' and of course 'fight' all language rather incompatible with the ideals and election cant expounded by Jeremy. Will Labour divert funds from 'social justice' to bolster the armed forces? I think not. It has always been policy to reduce standing armed forces until such a time as is too late, 'Good Queen Bess' she of the Great Armada victory allowed the navy to pay off its ships crews to rot 'on the beach' even while it was still chasing the Spanish fleet around the coast of Scotland. There is no magic money tree as TM pointed out.
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post Jun 7 2017, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 7 2017, 11:10 AM) *
Interestingly you use the phrase 'big stick' as well as 'national defense' and of course 'fight' all language rather incompatible with the ideals and election cant expounded by Jeremy. Will Labour divert funds from 'social justice' to bolster the armed forces? I think not. It has always been policy to reduce standing armed forces until such a time as is too late, 'Good Queen Bess' she of the Great Armada victory allowed the navy to pay off its ships crews to rot 'on the beach' even while it was still chasing the Spanish fleet around the coast of Scotland. There is no magic money tree as TM pointed out.


You are probably right but in Mrs May's case, it's demonstrably just verbiage; all mouth and no substance. Like it or not, the Tory record shows that's just their style. So if you vote Tory, it still won't reverse these spending policies.

At least with Jeremy Corbyn, you get what you see and there is every likelihood his party will change his mind. Again, listening and correcting policy is not a natural Tory trait.

As for the cash, we do have a massive spend on trying to maintain our interest in the unsustainable, illogical and now broadly unnecessary nuclear 'defence' arrangements. Even a small part of that could easily be diverted. Again, unthinkable to a Tory administration.


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post Jun 7 2017, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 7 2017, 11:10 AM) *
Interestingly you use the phrase 'big stick' as well as 'national defense' and of course 'fight' all language rather incompatible with the ideals and election cant expounded by Jeremy. Will Labour divert funds from 'social justice' to bolster the armed forces? I think not. It has always been policy to reduce standing armed forces until such a time as is too late, 'Good Queen Bess' she of the Great Armada victory allowed the navy to pay off its ships crews to rot 'on the beach' even while it was still chasing the Spanish fleet around the coast of Scotland. There is no magic money tree as TM pointed out.

Do we need to divert funds from welfare to the armed forces? Do we in today's world need to be spending masses on weapons and armies? I don't think so. We obviously need to spend some, but I'm happy to be a moderately strong nation militarily - able to defend itself from attack. That incidentally wouldn't include nuclear weapons.
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post Jun 8 2017, 02:20 PM
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Oh Charlie, you little scamp's 👏

"Satirical cartoon magazine Charlie Hebdo is fanning the flames of controversy once more with a graphic depiction of a headless Theresa May on its latest front cover, as it turns its unique brand of caricature to a spate of UK terror attacks.

Quoting the British Prime Minister’s "enough is enough speech" in the wake of the latest atrocity in London, the French language title appears to take a pop at the ideals of multiculturalism with May’s disembodied head saying: 'Too much is too much'.

Inside Charlie Hebdo continues the theme with drawings of people fleeing a terror attack in London captioned: 'Slimming tips from ISIS – run fast', while another page references the title's infamous decision to print images of the Prophet Mohammed, which was followed by a terror attack on its own offices, with a bowler capped Briton saying: 'At least one never caricatured the prophet.'

Run fast! 😂

I spect the women's institute will be round there shortly to shoot the place up!
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post Jun 8 2017, 03:59 PM
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/sau...s-35803139.html
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post Jun 8 2017, 04:37 PM
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Footballers huh 😤
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