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Andy Capp
post Jan 15 2013, 01:40 AM
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This should cheer up the deniers! MO 'bury bad news' on Christmas Eve! tongue.gif

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environme...gures-show.html
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post Jan 15 2013, 09:16 AM
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No doubt the governments will claim it's their decisive action that has caused this.
Nothing to do with you know, natural heat cycles of the earth.

In terms of the ecosystem despite the billions of us fatties on the earth, we are still a very minor part of the planets ecosystem.


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post Jan 15 2013, 09:42 AM
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Has anyone actually checked what the IPCC say about this?
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post Jan 15 2013, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 15 2013, 09:42 AM) *
Has anyone actually checked what the IPCC say about this?


Oh come on; why let reasoned assessment get in the way!


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Andy Capp
post Jan 15 2013, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 15 2013, 10:03 AM) *
Oh come on; why let reasoned assessment get in the way!

And they are neutral?


What is is safe to say is that no-one really knows. Whether AGW is true or not suits different people and different countries.


This is interesting: Has the Met Office committed fraud? And it's alleged The Guardian are complicit.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/14/has-...ommitted-fraud/
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post Jan 15 2013, 12:13 PM
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Of course no one knows. All we have are collections of numbers and observations gathered over a very long time. We can use these models to predict and therein lies the issue. The magnitude of the question means that precision isn't possible. Lets face it, in Newbury we can't even predict when a bus will arrive at any given stop, just produce evidence to suggest one might turn up.

The Daily Mail just wants to sell papers hence wants immediate and accurate results. If their journalists were that good how come they didn't predict the economic collapse? The UK's geographic position and that it is a small island means our weather is difficult to predict anyway. This latest information is no more than anyone should have been expecting.

Met Office committing fraud? No more than any other big organisation. Can your trust it? As experience shows it can't even predict the weather, answer is no.

Would respectfully suggest therefore, that the question should be, why don't we make the Met Office redundant and simply rely on Mrs Miggins and her seaweed? At least we'd know when to wear a rain mac.


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post Jan 15 2013, 12:26 PM
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Sounds like the author of that wattsupwiththat link belongs on this forum along with the other crackpots!


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post Jan 15 2013, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 15 2013, 01:40 AM) *
This should cheer up the deniers! MO 'bury bad news' on Christmas Eve! tongue.gif

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environme...gures-show.html

Well, I hate to say I told you so, but.
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post Jan 15 2013, 12:36 PM
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It had been thought that this would be 0.54C during the period 2012 -2016 but new data puts the figure for the 2013-2017 period at 0.43C


so the original estimate is out by 0.11C -

touble is a tenth of a degree does not sound good, so the telegraph sex it up & call it an error of 20%.....
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post Jan 15 2013, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 15 2013, 12:31 PM) *
Well, I hate to say I told you so, but.

Told who, what? huh.gif
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post Jan 15 2013, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 15 2013, 01:17 PM) *
Told who, what? huh.gif

Everyone, that it's a con.
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post Jan 15 2013, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 15 2013, 02:17 PM) *
Everyone, that it's a con.


Right. And what would the reason for the con be?
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post Jan 15 2013, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 15 2013, 02:19 PM) *
Right. And what would the reason for the con be?

Because a lot of people, government included are making lots of cash out of this.
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post Jan 15 2013, 02:38 PM
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But there is one essential point you have all missed.

The warming of the earth amid the emission of greenhouse gases is only a part of the wider, encompassing problem:
CLIMATE CHANGE

If you think we are all safe because there is a momentary slowing of temperatures, don't fool yourself. Climate change still means extremes of weather, floods, swathes of land made infertile, storms, tidal waves etc.

The problem of climate change has not abated and won't unless we all make the required paradigm shift in our lives and on a macro level.
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post Jan 15 2013, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 15 2013, 02:38 PM) *
Because a lot of people, government included are making lots of cash out of this.

What, telling people to stop being wasteful & over consumptive of natural resources?

If it were the opposite, I might go along with you.

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post Jan 15 2013, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 15 2013, 02:38 PM) *
But there is one essential point you have all missed.

The warming of the earth amid the emission of greenhouse gases is only a part of the wider, encompassing problem:
CLIMATE CHANGE

If you think we are all safe because there is a momentary slowing of temperatures, don't fool yourself. Climate change still means extremes of weather, floods, swathes of land made infertile, storms, tidal waves etc.

The problem of climate change has not abated and won't unless we all make the required paradigm shift in our lives and on a macro level.

Scare stories for children and the gullible.
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post Jan 15 2013, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Jan 15 2013, 02:43 PM) *
Scare stories for children and the gullible.

To scare them into spending less......still not convinced.
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post Jan 15 2013, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Jan 15 2013, 12:26 PM) *
Sounds like the author of that wattsupwiththat link belongs on this forum along with the other crackpots!


Well, don't forget, Mockton is also Head of the Policy Unit for UKIP. So he'd fit in real well.
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post Jan 15 2013, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 15 2013, 02:38 PM) *
But there is one essential point you have all missed.

The warming of the earth amid the emission of greenhouse gases is only a part of the wider, encompassing problem:
CLIMATE CHANGE

If you think we are all safe because there is a momentary slowing of temperatures, don't fool yourself. Climate change still means extremes of weather, floods, swathes of land made infertile, storms, tidal waves etc.

The problem of climate change has not abated and won't unless we all make the required paradigm shift in our lives and on a macro level.


Quite agree!!

Most of the sceptics are hoping that 'global warming' simply means we won't need to go to Spain for a warm summer holiday. Bit like the sustainable energy issue; now we can do fracking its all OK and we don't need to worry.

Phew, glad that's all over. Now we can start worrying about real things like who won X factor...


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Andy Capp
post Jan 15 2013, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (Blake @ Jan 15 2013, 02:38 PM) *
But there is one essential point you have all missed.

The warming of the earth amid the emission of greenhouse gases is only a part of the wider, encompassing problem:
CLIMATE CHANGE

If you think we are all safe because there is a momentary slowing of temperatures, don't fool yourself. Climate change still means extremes of weather, floods, swathes of land made infertile, storms, tidal waves etc.

The problem of climate change has not abated and won't unless we all make the required paradigm shift in our lives and on a macro level.

I'm not sure that there is any chance we can change anything, not without mass genocide.
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