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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 24 2017, 07:30 PM

"Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war.
And if then the tyrants dare,
Let them ride among you there;
Slash, and stab, and maim and hew;
What they like, that let them do.
With folded arms and steady eyes,
And little fear, and less surprise,
Look upon them as they slay,
Till their rage has died away:
Then they will return with shame,
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek:
Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are manyóthey are few!"
Shelley

Not sure what to make of that!
Is it a call to arms to overthrow the government "rise like lions" or a pacifist saying you can kill us all and we will just take it? 😮

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 24 2017, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 24 2017, 08:30 PM) *
"Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war.
And if then the tyrants dare,
Let them ride among you there;
Slash, and stab, and maim and hew;
What they like, that let them do.
With folded arms and steady eyes,
And little fear, and less surprise,
Look upon them as they slay,
Till their rage has died away:
Then they will return with shame,
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek:
Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are manyóthey are few!"
Shelley

Not sure what to make of that!
Is it a call to arms to overthrow the government "rise like lions" or a pacifist saying you can kill us all and we will just take it? 😮

Been on the old mushrooms, pretentious ****.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 24 2017, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 24 2017, 09:11 PM) *
Been on the old mushrooms, pretentious ****.


The real irony is that the poor could never afford to go to Glasto..

Sell out.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 24 2017, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 24 2017, 09:22 PM) *
The real irony is that the poor could never afford to go to Glasto..

Sell out.

Yeah, he's gone 'mainstream', liked some of his early stuff but just too populist to be cool now. Old news.

Posted by: Simon Kirby Jun 24 2017, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 24 2017, 08:30 PM) *
"Stand ye calm and resolute...

Not sure what to make of that!
Is it a call to arms to overthrow the government "rise like lions" or a pacifist saying you can kill us all and we will just take it? 😮

It's neither TDH. Shelley wrote this after the Peterloo massacre and it supports non-violent resistence to injustice.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 25 2017, 02:28 AM

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 24 2017, 10:38 PM) *
It's neither TDH. Shelley wrote this after the Peterloo massacre and it supports non-violent resistence to injustice.


Yep. Run us over. Blow us up. And we'll ask you to please stop...

Posted by: newres Jun 25 2017, 06:06 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 24 2017, 08:30 PM) *
"Stand ye calm and resolute,
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war.
And if then the tyrants dare,
Let them ride among you there;
Slash, and stab, and maim and hew;
What they like, that let them do.
With folded arms and steady eyes,
And little fear, and less surprise,
Look upon them as they slay,
Till their rage has died away:
Then they will return with shame,
To the place from which they came,
And the blood thus shed will speak
In hot blushes on their cheek:
Rise, like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth like dew
Which in sleep had fallen on you:
Ye are manyóthey are few!"
Shelley

Not sure what to make of that!
Is it a call to arms to overthrow the government "rise like lions" or a pacifist saying you can kill us all and we will just take it? 😮



I think it's a very powerful poem. Thanks for sharing.


Posted by: Simon Kirby Jun 25 2017, 07:59 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 25 2017, 03:28 AM) *
Yep. Run us over. Blow us up. And we'll ask you to please stop...

Certainly there is a subtlety to nonviolent civil disobedience, but the alternatives are either to accept tyrrany or take up arms, and I have the deepest admiration for people brave enough to take a stand without adopting violence - it's always the tyrants that get bronze statues in the high street while the martyrs get forgotten, but the justice and dignity of their protest can't be ignored.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 25 2017, 08:52 AM

Interesting how we "adopt" a piece of literature to fit our present environment. No one can argue for the heavy-handed response to what was basically a voicing for a political change in a time that pen and paper were still the preserve of the privileged, but as the reform act ( 1832) was not presented for a further 13 years and not implemented till 1867 one needs to question the wisdom of putting one's life in jeopardy for the sake of a principal . Unfortunately, we do not know how much of the demonstration was orchestrated by outside influence or just a part of society who were at the bottom of the heap.
The Masque of Anarchy was not published for another 30 years so very doubtful that any of those who suffered in Manchester ever got to hear the work. Shelley himself was ostracised for being an atheist as opposed to a mouthpiece for the masses.
To be fair to Corbyn he is not the first politician to use other's works to hammer home their point of view, but I very much doubt he would stand at the front of his supporters if a sabre waving cavalry approached with malice intent.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 25 2017, 09:16 AM

Our armed forces are used for disaster relief and anti drug, anti slavery, anti people smuggling and anti pirate operations as well. Helping the poorest and the most vulnerable around the world.
Idealism meets reality.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 25 2017, 09:19 AM

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, ó is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.Ē
― John Stuart Mill, Principles of Political Economy

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 26 2017, 10:48 AM

Violence is a very base response to something we object too. It is an intrinsic trait in all animals to fight when faced with an adversary that poses a threat to our lives or those close to us. The debate centres around should we stand against the tyrant or allow them free reign to impose upon our lives? Do we take up arms and fight in the knowledge that the outcome may not be in our favour or accept our lot?

The real problem is the rise of those who would do us harm. Nationalism breeds a collective voice that feeds upon our fears which in turn throws up leaders that exploit the rhetoric. J C, ( the present one ) may well have pacifist views but this does not mean he is weak as a leader, but neither does it send a positive message to those that would do us harm.

With a global population explosion, the pressure on maintaining the peace is a precarious balancing act and only history will show at what point in time the wrong decision was made.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 26 2017, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 25 2017, 08:59 AM) *
Certainly there is a subtlety to nonviolent civil disobedience, but the alternatives are either to accept tyrrany or take up arms, and I have the deepest admiration for people brave enough to take a stand without adopting violence - it's always the tyrants that get bronze statues in the high street while the martyrs get forgotten,

Or awarded a commemorative plaque outside a former school building.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 26 2017, 12:04 PM

'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.' Ghandi seems to be predicting that Jeremy doesn't have too far to go.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 26 2017, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 26 2017, 01:04 PM) *
'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.' Ghandi seems to be predicting that Jeremy doesn't have too far to go.

And they shot Ghandi.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 26 2017, 01:19 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 26 2017, 02:03 PM) *
And they shot Ghandi.


Yes, fear of violent response didn't ever worry Ghandi, and on his past record, like it or not Corbyn is certainly no coward when push comes to shove. One thing I do hope je suis, is that your Tory friends and colleagues don't resort to physical force just because they start to lose.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 26 2017, 01:30 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 26 2017, 02:19 PM) *
Yes, fear of violent response didn't ever worry Ghandi, and on his past record, like it or not Corbyn is certainly no coward when push comes to shove. One thing I do hope je suis, is that your Tory friends and colleagues don't resort to physical force just because they start to lose.

You mean take a leaf out of the lefty activists book of thuggery?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 26 2017, 01:34 PM

I'm sure I can get a few busloads of activists with badly spelt placards together, you know, give as ye so shall receive. I've already got a job lot of pickaxe handles coming in for my other 'arbitration' project.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 26 2017, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 26 2017, 02:30 PM) *
You mean take a leaf out of the lefty activists book of thuggery?


Just following our peers dearest. History was never a strong point at 'selective' grammars was it!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 26 2017, 06:44 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 26 2017, 02:03 PM) *
And they shot Ghandi.


And that is just the point. Dead heroes may well be ideal role models for others but I would rather be alive under a dictator than be cannon fodder for a cause. Ok cowards hardly make their mark in the grand scheme of things but death eventually visits us all and I would like to get my 3 score years and 10................Actually, come to think about it I am on borrowed time so please comment quickly.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 26 2017, 07:07 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 26 2017, 05:12 PM) *
Just following our peers dearest. History was never a strong point at 'selective' grammars was it!

But, I have no peer 🤗

Posted by: blackdog Jun 26 2017, 11:34 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 26 2017, 08:07 PM) *
But, I have no peer 🤗


Thank God! laugh.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 26 2017, 11:56 PM

Didn't mix well.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 27 2017, 07:30 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 27 2017, 12:56 AM) *
Didn't mix well.

Been using Anusol to brush your teeth again ?

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 27 2017, 08:32 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 26 2017, 08:07 PM) *
But, I have no peer 🤗

You are indeed sir, without peer 😍

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 27 2017, 09:12 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 27 2017, 09:32 AM) *
You are indeed sir, without peer 😍

https://youtu.be/NNC0kIzM1Fo

tongue.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 27 2017, 10:17 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 27 2017, 12:56 AM) *
Didn't mix well.

Says Billy (calls people racist) no mates

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 27 2017, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 27 2017, 11:17 AM) *
Says Billy (calls people racist) no mates

That s right; I find playground ignorance tiresome. sad.gif

Posted by: On the edge Jun 27 2017, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 27 2017, 03:36 PM) *
That s right; I find playground ignorance tiresome. sad.gif


Take heart, 'If they attack you personally, it means they have not a single political argument left' as Mrs Thatcher once said. It was her supporters who pulled her down; Tories don't ever seem to learn!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 27 2017, 03:41 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 27 2017, 04:19 PM) *
Take heart, 'If they attack you personally, it means they have not a single political argument left' as Mrs Thatcher once said. It was her supporters who pulled her down; Tories don't ever seem to learn!

Which is why he resorted to flinging the racist jibe around. The last resort of the inept and morally bankrupt is to simply call everyone you disagree with either racist or Nazi. laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 27 2017, 06:31 PM

Surely the whole point of any forum is either to argue your cause or disagree with the views of others. Once it degenerates into personal attacks, ( however justified ), the impetus is lost.
Only a complete bigot would consider himself to hold views beyond question or be man enough to accept that the other party may just be right.

Not many politicians signing up to this philosophy.


Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 27 2017, 06:56 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 27 2017, 04:41 PM) *
Which is why he resorted to flinging the racist jibe around. The last resort of the inept and morally bankrupt is to simply call everyone you disagree with either racist or Nazi. laugh.gif

The irony.... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 27 2017, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 27 2017, 07:31 PM) *
Surely the whole point of any forum is either to argue your cause or disagree with the views of others. Once it degenerates into personal attacks, ( however justified ), the impetus is lost.
Only a complete bigot would consider himself to hold views beyond question or be man enough to accept that the other party may just be right.

In an ideal world that might be true, but I think a lot of forums and social networking sites are full of egotist with not much to share other than ignorance or bigotry and these people seek out like minded people to help support their views. If true the chances of a meaningful debate are small.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 27 2017, 09:10 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 27 2017, 08:01 PM) *
In an ideal world that might be true, but I think a lot of forums and social networking sites are full of egotist with not much to share other than ignorance or bigotry and these people seek out like minded people to help support their views. If true the chances of a meaningful debate are small.

Unless you like calling people racist.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 27 2017, 09:10 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 27 2017, 07:56 PM) *
The irony.... rolleyes.gif

That, isnt irony. get a grip.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 27 2017, 11:17 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 27 2017, 10:10 PM) *
That, isnt irony. get a grip.

There is more than one type of irony, but it is ironic that you should appear to be so offended by a behaviour that underpins many if not most of the things you post here.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 27 2017, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 27 2017, 10:10 PM) *
Unless you like calling people racist.

While I believe a number of board members are racist (not necessarily always above the national average), is there any particular incidence you have in mind?

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 27 2017, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 28 2017, 12:17 AM) *
There is more than one type of irony.

Irony. The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
Or, A state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.

To which 'type' were you alluding to?

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 27 2017, 11:43 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 28 2017, 12:35 AM) *
Irony. The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
Or, A state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.

To which 'type' were you alluding to?

One wouldn't expect someone who complains about someone else being a certain way, is themselves a model example of that they complain of.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 27 2017, 11:45 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 28 2017, 12:43 AM) *
One would expect someone who complains about someone else being a certain way, is themselves a model example of that they complain of.

But, that's not irony, is it?

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 28 2017, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 28 2017, 12:45 AM) *
But, that's not irony, is it?

I believe it is because you would expect someone that complains of people who are quick to throw abuse at another when they are at a loss of things to say, not to be guilty of doing the same thing themselves.

PS - I corrected a typo in my last post.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 28 2017, 05:27 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 27 2017, 07:31 PM) *
Surely the whole point of any forum is either to argue your cause or disagree with the views of others. Once it degenerates into personal attacks, ( however justified ), the impetus is lost.
Only a complete bigot would consider himself to hold views beyond question or be man enough to accept that the other party may just be right.

So correct Sir!! smile.gif
Good luck with that on here, although it is considerably better than many other forums and streets ahead of the "social media" rabble!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 28 2017, 08:56 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 28 2017, 06:27 AM) *
So correct Sir!! smile.gif
Good luck with that on here, although it is considerably better than many other forums and streets ahead of the "social media" rabble!



I would not know about other forums and know even less about the social media thingy that seems to rule the lives of so many.
Even the President of the most powerful country, ( supposedly ), on earth seems to consider that social media is a more adept means of relaying his message than actually standing in front of an audience.

What is very apparent is that the written word can not only be miss-construed but actually miss-read in order to fit the reader's criteria. Perhaps we should just revert to talking face to face? huh.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 28 2017, 09:48 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 28 2017, 09:56 AM) *
What is very apparent is that the written word can not only be miss-construed but actually miss-read in order to fit the reader's criteria. Perhaps we should just revert to talking face to face? huh.gif

The later won't necessarily fix the former.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 28 2017, 10:32 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 28 2017, 10:48 AM) *
The later won't necessarily fix the former.



Agreed.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 29 2017, 03:02 PM

https://youtu.be/i4_WuFTX-5E

Posted by: Andy Capp Jul 5 2017, 08:21 AM

It looks like the left/rightists have ran-out of bickering! tongue.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 5 2017, 11:54 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 5 2017, 09:21 AM) *
It looks like the left/rightists have ran-out of bickering! tongue.gif



Even the ambidextrous are quite. rolleyes.gif




Posted by: On the edge Jul 5 2017, 12:19 PM

Britainís wealth problem Ė we donít create enough of it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40506570

As even the BBC have woken up and spotted the reason why, under its present regime, we are well and truly stuffed. In effect, what's been happening since 1979 has reached its logical conclusion.

So, it may well be that those threatening to go have done the decent thing and actually done so. Meaning we still have a chance to clear up the mess once the next election is out of the way.


Posted by: Andy Capp Jul 5 2017, 02:01 PM

It says to me that we need a new economics. The one that has been served up hitherto is not sustainable. The global economy, cheap/subsidised fuel and fast Internet mean low wages. Low wages = low tax yields.

Posted by: x2lls Jul 5 2017, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 5 2017, 03:01 PM) *
It says to me that we need a new economics. The one that has been served up hitherto is not sustainable. The global economy, cheap/subsidised fuel and fast Internet mean low wages. Low wages = low tax yields.



Exasperated by more reliance on the (reducing) return.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 5 2017, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 5 2017, 01:19 PM) *
Britainís wealth problem Ė we donít create enough of it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40506570

As even the BBC have woken up and spotted the reason why, under its present regime, we are well and truly stuffed. In effect, what's been happening since 1979 has reached its logical conclusion.

So, it may well be that those threatening to go have done the decent thing and actually done so. Meaning we still have a chance to clear up the mess once the next election is out of the way.

You mean those whose pockets you want to pick to pay for your garden of Eden, gone and taken their taxable income with them! Yup, the decent thing.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 5 2017, 05:58 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 5 2017, 12:54 PM) *
Even the ambidextrous are quite. rolleyes.gif

Quite what?

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 5 2017, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 5 2017, 06:58 PM) *
Quite what?




Wrong ?...... rolleyes.gif

Not sure who I despise the most , those who proofread every comment or the bloody spellchecker that treats me like an imbecile. angry.gif


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 5 2017, 06:44 PM


Hello from the Sunny Bahamas. Hows life in the sh1thole that is the UK? Has that nice Mr Corbyn been elected yet??

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 5 2017, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 5 2017, 07:44 PM) *
Hello from the Sunny Bahamas. Hows life in the sh1thole that is the UK? Has that nice Mr Corbyn been elected yet??

Nice, only two weeks to go and I'm off for three weeks in the Maldives! Yippee!

Posted by: On the edge Jul 5 2017, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 5 2017, 07:44 PM) *
Hello from the Sunny Bahamas. Hows life in the sh1thole that is the UK? Has that nice Mr Corbyn been elected yet??


Don't screw yourself up worrying about us, we'll be fine. Fretting about the minutia of UK politics suggests you want to come back!

Posted by: On the edge Jul 5 2017, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 5 2017, 09:07 PM) *
Nice, only two weeks to go and I'm off for three weeks in the Maldives! Yippee!


Just three weeks; come on you can do better than that.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jul 5 2017, 10:41 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 5 2017, 07:44 PM) *
Hello from the Sunny Bahamas. Hows life in the sh1thole that is the UK? Has that nice Mr Corbyn been elected yet??

It's peacing in the Bahamas at the moment I understand.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 6 2017, 03:43 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 5 2017, 09:05 PM) *
Just three weeks; come on you can do better than that.

Yes I can. And it's a lot better than the fortnight in a boarding house in Bournemouth that will be the highlight of your little socialist life!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 6 2017, 03:44 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 5 2017, 10:41 PM) *
It's peacing in the Bahamas at the moment I understand.

Hmm, forehead and keyboard! Remember?

Posted by: On the edge Jul 6 2017, 05:20 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 6 2017, 04:43 AM) *
Yes I can. And it's a lot better than the fortnight in a boarding house in Bournemouth that will be the highlight of your little socialist life!


That's what gets me about you Tories, run down the Country at the drop of a hat; even Dave Cameron managed to holiday in the UK and support our tourist industry! tongue.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Jul 6 2017, 07:10 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 6 2017, 04:43 AM) *
Yes I can. And it's a lot better than the fortnight in a boarding house in Bournemouth that will be the highlight of your little socialist life!

So long as you're all right, eh?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 6 2017, 08:05 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 6 2017, 07:10 AM) *
So long as you're all right, eh?

I'm fine mate! Better than fine actually.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jul 6 2017, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 6 2017, 09:05 AM) *
I'm fine mate! Better than fine actually.

Excellent!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 6 2017, 09:07 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 6 2017, 08:23 AM) *
Excellent!

Yup!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 21 2017, 12:03 PM

"Get on your knees *****" Ah good old momentum, the inclusive side of politics. The same momentum that rails against the rich but who's leader is, yup, filthy rich. Couldn't make it up.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 24 2017, 01:41 AM

" Hallam MP Nagar O'Mara (Labour) said he was deeply ashamed at his online history, unearthed by the Guido Fawkes website. The comments included jokes about having an orgy with members of Girls Aloud, a claim that Michelle McManus had only won Pop Idol ďbecause she was fatĒ, and a suggestion it would be funny if the jazz star Jamie Cullum were ďsodomised with his own pianoĒ.

A candidate for the leadership maybe? Is there anyone Labour don't hate?

Posted by: newres Oct 24 2017, 06:38 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 24 2017, 02:41 AM) *
" Hallam MP Nagar O'Mara (Labour) said he was deeply ashamed at his online history, unearthed by the Guido Fawkes website. The comments included jokes about having an orgy with members of Girls Aloud, a claim that Michelle McManus had only won Pop Idol ďbecause she was fatĒ, and a suggestion it would be funny if the jazz star Jamie Cullum were ďsodomised with his own pianoĒ.

A candidate for the leadership maybe? Is there anyone Labour don't hate?

How old was he at the time? 2004 wasn't it? He looks like a child now! It's Jared isn't it?

And how is wanting to have sex with someone hate? Perhaps that's how it works for you.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 24 2017, 07:48 AM

Recent scientific revelations allow me to better understand some people. So if we are to place ourselves on the moral high ground, we should feel sorry for some of the posters on this site! Especially Monster Raving Righties! 😋

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 24 2017, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 24 2017, 08:48 AM) *
Recent scientific revelations allow me to better understand some people. So if we are to place ourselves on the moral high ground, we should feel sorry for some of the posters on this site! Especially Monster Raving Righties! 😋

And for the gibbering Libtards.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 24 2017, 08:35 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 24 2017, 07:38 AM) *
How old was he at the time? 2004 wasn't it? He looks like a child now! It's Jared isn't it?

And how is wanting to have sex with someone hate? Perhaps that's how it works for you.

"Labour MP Jared O'Mara has quit the Commons equality committee over online homophobic comments he made before being elected to parliament.Mr O'Mara also made misogynistic remarks, joked about having an orgy with members ofGirls Aloud and posted degrading commentsabout fat people."

Hate crimes, certainly for anyone who isn't a leftie libtard anyways.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 24 2017, 10:01 AM

It sounds like the libtards have hit a nerve! 😆

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 24 2017, 11:11 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 24 2017, 11:01 AM) *
It sounds like the libtards have hit a nerve! 😆

Keep on gibbering, Libtard. Say it often enough and you might even start believing it!

Posted by: newres Oct 24 2017, 05:15 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 24 2017, 09:35 AM) *
"Labour MP Jared O'Mara has quit the Commons equality committee over online homophobic comments he made before being elected to parliament.Mr O'Mara also made misogynistic remarks, joked about having an orgy with members ofGirls Aloud and posted degrading commentsabout fat people."

Hate crimes, certainly for anyone who isn't a leftie libtard anyways.

Well youíd call me a liberal, but Iím not terribly PC Iím afraid. Even so, Iíd hate to be judged now for some of the things I did and said in my 40s, much less my 20s. Itís a bit desperate and compared to Boris Johnson he is a saint.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 24 2017, 05:25 PM

If he was a "swivel eyed loon" the knives would be out by now though. And at a time when looking at someone 'in a funny way' is considered hate crime by the left it hardly matters if he was 'only' in his twenties does it. Most of the Hitler youth were younger than that, wouldn't say they were all innocent would you? Different standards for different political parties.

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 24 2017, 05:41 PM

Saint or sinner dependant on one's own political leaning seems to summarise the debacle . We all change our views as we age but those who spout personal vitriol at any time in their pathetic lives should be precluded from a position of public service . The worrying aspect is that element of the electorate that supports such rhetoric .

Posted by: newres Oct 24 2017, 05:44 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 24 2017, 06:25 PM) *
If he was a "swivel eyed loon" the knives would be out by now though. And at a time when looking at someone 'in a funny way' is considered hate crime by the left it hardly matters if he was 'only' in his twenties does it. Most of the Hitler youth were younger than that, wouldn't say they were all innocent would you? Different standards for different political parties.

Are you comparing a couple of daft social media comments with mass extermination of the Jews? I seriously think you need to get a grip old man!

It's not even on a par with Darius?Boris affair.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 24 2017, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 24 2017, 06:44 PM) *
Are you comparing a couple of daft social media comments with mass extermination of the Jews? I seriously think you need to get a grip old man!

It's not even on a par with Darius?Boris affair.

It's a hate crime, pure, simple, and should be viewed as such not as some youthful peccadillo by an errant schoolboy. And what has saint Jeremy said? Nowt, that's what. Utter and total hypocrisy. As expected.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 24 2017, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 24 2017, 06:50 PM) *
It's a hate crime, pure, simple, and should be viewed as such not as some youthful peccadillo by an errant schoolboy. And what has saint Jeremy said? Nowt, that's what. Utter and total hypocrisy. As expected.


Tories = Evil
Labour = Saint Corbyn of Islington
Brexiteers = Idiots and Bigots
Remainers = Intelligent multi-cultural inclusive beacons of humanity

Its quite easy in Libtard world. No greys. Only good and evil.😂

Barking mad.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 24 2017, 06:06 PM

Woof woof!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 24 2017, 06:07 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 24 2017, 06:50 PM) *
It's a hate crime, pure, simple, and should be viewed as such not as some youthful peccadillo by an errant schoolboy. And what has saint Jeremy said? Nowt, that's what. Utter and total hypocrisy. As expected.


A bit like the all the codemnation Im hearing from Herr Juncker and co on the Police brutality in Catalonia.... Waits for tumbleweed to blow past....

Even Putin is criticising the EU on it!😂

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 24 2017, 06:08 PM

Er, he is guilty and has been condemned - by all sides - so I donít know what the swivle eyeds are on about.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 24 2017, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 24 2017, 07:08 PM) *
Er, he is guilty and has been condemned - by all sides - so I donít know what the swivle eyeds are on about.

Oh, and it's Swivel! If you're going to try to insult your betters, at least try a bit harder. There's a good boy.

Posted by: Andy1 Oct 24 2017, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 24 2017, 07:19 PM) *
Oh, and it's Swivel! If you're going to try to insult your betters, at least try a bit harder. There's a good boy.

No wonder the post updates are few and far between on this forum

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 24 2017, 08:17 PM

QUOTE (Andy1 @ Oct 24 2017, 08:42 PM) *
No wonder the post updates are few and far between on this forum

😂😂😂 Been more posts in the last 2 days than the laat 3 months. The board woukd be dead completely without me and jesuis. No one else has anything remotely challenging to say. Apart from the usual libtard pc bull.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 24 2017, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 24 2017, 07:19 PM) *
Oh, and it's Swivel! If you're going to try to insult your betters, at least try a bit harder. There's a good boy.

Sorry mum.

Posted by: newres Oct 25 2017, 06:23 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 24 2017, 09:49 PM) *
Sorry mum.

Donít be sorry. Itís science.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 25 2017, 07:24 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 25 2017, 07:23 AM) *
Donít be sorry. Itís science.

Flat Earth science. As practiced by the church of Saint Libtard the genetically weak.

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 25 2017, 08:24 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 24 2017, 07:03 PM) *
Tories = Evil
Labour = Saint Corbyn of Islington
Brexiteers = Idiots and Bigots
Remainers = Intelligent multi-cultural inclusive beacons of humanity

Its quite easy in Libtard world. No greys. Only good and evil.😂

Barking mad.


" Woof woof ". In the interest of multiculturalism everyone should learn a foreign language . rolleyes.gif

Posted by: The Hatter Oct 25 2017, 09:27 AM

QUOTE (Andy1 @ Oct 24 2017, 08:42 PM) *
No wonder the post updates are few and far between on this forum


Won't last long, probably Auditors in and they've been told to 'work from home' for a few days!

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 25 2017, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 24 2017, 07:03 PM) *
Tories = Evil
Labour = Saint Corbyn of Islington
Brexiteers = Idiots and Bigots
Remainers = Intelligent multi-cultural inclusive beacons of humanity

Its quite easy in Libtard world. No greys. Only good and evil.😂

Barking mad.

I think binary opinions exist on both sides; however, I note people are also quick to make it up when facts arenít available.

Jeremy Corbynís popularity is a reaction to the mean spirited Tory twaddle, but he is certainly no hero of mine.

Posted by: newres Oct 25 2017, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 25 2017, 03:50 PM) *
I think digital opinions exist on both sides; however, I note people are also quick to make it up when facts arenít available.

Jeremy Corbynís popularity is a reaction to the mean spirited Tory twaddle, but he is certainly no hero of mine.

Nor mine but it keeps it simple for the scientifically proven dullards on here.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 25 2017, 06:16 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 25 2017, 06:57 PM) *
Nor mine but it keeps it simple for the scientifically proven dullards on here.

Duh! Said the genetically challenged Libtard remoaner.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 25 2017, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 25 2017, 06:57 PM) *
Nor mine but it keeps it simple for the scientifically proven dullards on here.


Scientifically proven dullards? How about patriotic British nationals?And what group do you belong to? Brainwashed libtard Euromaniacs? I expect you have pictures of Tusk, Juncker and Verstofhadt on your bedroom ceiling and an EU flag fluttering outaide your house (next to the Corbyn poster). 💩

Posted by: newres Oct 25 2017, 06:22 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 25 2017, 07:16 PM) *
Duh! Said the genetically challenged Libtard remoaner.


Donít blame me. Itís science mate. laugh.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 25 2017, 06:38 PM

Being right wing doesnít seem to adversly effect their imagination!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 25 2017, 06:46 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 25 2017, 07:38 PM) *
Being right wing doesnít seem to adversly effect their imagination!

Thats because we can imagine life outside of the EU. Thats why we are business leaders and visionaries. And not 🐑 like you.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 25 2017, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 25 2017, 07:22 PM) *
Donít blame me. Itís science mate. laugh.gif

Yeah so was eugenics, totally science. I bet you still believe the sun goes round the earth..

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 25 2017, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 25 2017, 07:38 PM) *
Being right wing doesnít seem to adversly effect their imagination!

Or left wing your stupidity.

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 25 2017, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 25 2017, 07:38 PM) *
Being right wing doesnít seem to adversly effect their imagination!
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 25 2017, 08:35 PM) *
Or left wing your stupidity.

QED

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 26 2017, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 25 2017, 08:34 PM) *
Yeah so was eugenics, totally science. I bet you still believe the sun goes round the earth..


Another jaw dropping revelation . Next thing you will be telling me is we have evolved from apes . wink.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 26 2017, 09:08 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 26 2017, 10:01 AM) *
Another jaw dropping revelation . Next thing you will be telling me is we have evolved from apes . wink.gif

AC hasn't got that far, has he?

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 26 2017, 10:25 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 26 2017, 10:08 AM) *
AC hasn't got that far, has he?


Once more the quality of our education system is brought into question . wink.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 26 2017, 02:18 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 24 2017, 07:08 PM) *
Er, he is guilty and has been condemned - by all sides - so I donít know what the swivle eyeds are on about.

"YOU SHOULD STAY! Jeremy Corbyn tried to persuade shamed Labour MP Jared OíMara NOT to resign from the Commons equalities committee
At a private meeting of Labour MPs earlier this week the Labour leader said he shouldnít have been forced to stand down from the influential committee - despite being exposed for homophobic and racist comments"

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 26 2017, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 26 2017, 03:18 PM) *
"YOU SHOULD STAY! Jeremy Corbyn tried to persuade shamed Labour MP Jared OíMara NOT to resign from the Commons equalities committee
At a private meeting of Labour MPs earlier this week the Labour leader said he shouldnít have been forced to stand down from the influential committee - despite being exposed for homophobic and racist comments"

The horror... JCs a knob any way.

Posted by: newres Oct 26 2017, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 26 2017, 03:18 PM) *
"YOU SHOULD STAY! Jeremy Corbyn tried to persuade shamed Labour MP Jared OíMara NOT to resign from the Commons equalities committee
At a private meeting of Labour MPs earlier this week the Labour leader said he shouldnít have been forced to stand down from the influential committee - despite being exposed for homophobic and racist comments"

What were the racist and homophobic comments? The ones I saw were a bit rude and sexist but nothing particularly shameful.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 26 2017, 04:40 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 26 2017, 05:33 PM) *
What were the racist and homophobic comments? The ones I saw were a bit rude and sexist but nothing particularly shameful.

His local rag says "On Monday Mr O'Mara resigned from his position on the Commons Women and Equalities Committee in a row over homophobic and sexist online comments he admitted he posted more than a decade ago."

Why would he admit to something he hadn't done?

Posted by: Andy Capp Oct 26 2017, 04:56 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 26 2017, 05:33 PM) *
What were the racist and homophobic comments? The ones I saw were a bit rude and sexist but nothing particularly shameful.

This is developing into a 21c issue: hard words being used in soft situations.

To me homophobia and misogyny mean hate, not just impolite.

Posted by: newres Oct 26 2017, 05:10 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 26 2017, 05:40 PM) *
His local rag says "On Monday Mr O'Mara resigned from his position on the Commons Women and Equalities Committee in a row over homophobic and sexist online comments he admitted he posted more than a decade ago."

Why would he admit to something he hadn't done?

Further scientific evidence. That's a quote from a newspaper.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 26 2017, 05:16 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 26 2017, 05:56 PM) *
This is developing into a 21c issue: hard words being used in soft situations.

To me homophobia and misogyny mean hate, not just impolite.


Conservatives = Bad
Labour = Good

It's all so simple in the Newres world. 😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 26 2017, 05:22 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 26 2017, 06:10 PM) *
Further scientific evidence. That's a quote from a newspaper.

Wow! You recognise it it, must be the quote marks gave it away! Wow. Scientific evidence.

Posted by: newres Oct 26 2017, 06:13 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 26 2017, 06:22 PM) *
Wow! You recognise it it, must be the quote marks gave it away! Wow. Scientific evidence.

However your interpretation was that it was an admission. Hence my quip about further scientific evidence of the bigoted being stupid. tongue.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 26 2017, 06:46 PM

"A source close to Labourís national executive committee said OíMaraís selection in Sheffield had been backed by the local Momentum group, after the 2015 candidate Oliver Coppard did not stand again.

Tweets from the Momentum Sheffield account from the election campaign call on volunteers to campaign for OíMara, calling him ďthe pro-Corbyn candidateĒ.

Figures!

"She said, however, that OíMara had later abused her Ė before he became an MP Ė when she encountered him while out with friends. Asked what OíMara said, she replied: ďObviously, some of the things arenít broadcastable. There were some transphobic slurs in there. He called me an ugly *****.Ē

Hmm.

"Fresh allegations emerged after a string of offensive comments he made in blog posts made online emerged.
In one he asked Girls Aloud to have an orgy with him, attacked 'fatties' and said it would be funny if Jamie Cullum was 'sodomised with his own piano' in posts exposed yesterday."

Nasty!

"And he told another woman he was chatting with online: 'Don't worry luv, I'll lay on your rack any day.'

Oh you little scamp!

"You canít blame the Labour Party for letting one of their members, Jared OíMara, slip through the system and become an MP, even though he made comments online calling gay people ďfudgepackersĒ and women at a club ďsexy little slagsĒ.

Go Labour! Be inclusive!

Not scientific, of course, very little is. However, the preponderance of the evidence would tend to swing any rational person not totally mired in his or her lefty defensive position to conclude that sadly these are some of the people labour see fit to field as peoples representatives in parliament.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 26 2017, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 26 2017, 07:46 PM) *
"A source close to Labourís national executive committee said OíMaraís selection in Sheffield had been backed by the local Momentum group, after the 2015 candidate Oliver Coppard did not stand again.

Tweets from the Momentum Sheffield account from the election campaign call on volunteers to campaign for OíMara, calling him ďthe pro-Corbyn candidateĒ.

Figures!

"She said, however, that OíMara had later abused her Ė before he became an MP Ė when she encountered him while out with friends. Asked what OíMara said, she replied: ďObviously, some of the things arenít broadcastable. There were some transphobic slurs in there. He called me an ugly *****.Ē

Hmm.

"Fresh allegations emerged after a string of offensive comments he made in blog posts made online emerged.
In one he asked Girls Aloud to have an orgy with him, attacked 'fatties' and said it would be funny if Jamie Cullum was 'sodomised with his own piano' in posts exposed yesterday."

Nasty!

"And he told another woman he was chatting with online: 'Don't worry luv, I'll lay on your rack any day.'

Oh you little scamp!

"You canít blame the Labour Party for letting one of their members, Jared OíMara, slip through the system and become an MP, even though he made comments online calling gay people ďfudgepackersĒ and women at a club ďsexy little slagsĒ.

Go Labour! Be inclusive!

Not scientific, of course, very little is. However, the preponderance of the evidence would tend to swing any rational person not totally mired in his or her lefty defensive position to conclude that sadly these are some of the people labour see fit to field as peoples representatives in parliament.


Newres starred in Star Trek once. Liars paradox. We are Kirk...😂


Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 26 2017, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 26 2017, 08:22 PM) *
Newres starred in Star Trek once. Liars paradox. We are Kirk...😂

I think I saw him! Wasn't he also in the episode 'the trouble with libtards'? He should be at home with all that pseudo science.

Posted by: Turin Machine Oct 31 2017, 06:39 PM

Best make sure none of us buy a red poppy this year, according to the glorious left (bless'em) it's racist. Couldn't make it up I swear

Posted by: newres Oct 31 2017, 06:58 PM

Morons.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Oct 31 2017, 08:33 PM

Typical of this bunch of self satisfied, lily livered, treacherous, cowardly bunch. How dare they disrespect the fallen. Arsehats!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Oct 31 2017, 09:08 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Oct 31 2017, 06:58 PM) *
Morons.


The left? 😂

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2017, 12:54 AM

Oh no, Mr & Mrs Outraged are upset again, what is it now thatís got you spitting out your Cornflakes? huh.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 1 2017, 06:04 AM

tongue.gif

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 1 2017, 01:54 AM) *
Oh no, Mr & Mrs Outraged are upset again, what is it now thatís got you spitting out your Cornflakes? huh.gif

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/873627/remembrance-poppy-red-white-british-legion I think, and rightly so!! angry.gif

Posted by: newres Nov 1 2017, 06:27 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 1 2017, 06:04 AM) *
tongue.gif
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/873627/remembrance-poppy-red-white-british-legion I think, and rightly so!! angry.gif

Where does anyone say itís a fascist symbol? The problem here is the intelligence of the readership.

Posted by: newres Nov 1 2017, 07:22 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 06:27 AM) *
Where does anyone say itís a fascist symbol? The problem here is the intelligence of the readership.

Just to add. I no longer wear one. I used to before the recent wars and attend the ceremony but I wonít now as I see it now as a symbol of support of our recent wars. Iíd be tempted to wear a white one but instead I just wonít wear one anymore. Nothing to do with it being a fascist symbol but itís a shame right wing groups have begun to appropriate it.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 1 2017, 08:00 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 07:22 AM) *
Just to add. I no longer wear one. I used to before the recent wars and attend the ceremony but I wonít now as I see it now as a symbol of support of our recent wars. Iíd be tempted to wear a white one but instead I just wonít wear one anymore. Nothing to do with it being a fascist symbol but itís a shame right wing groups have begun to appropriate it.


T R A I T O R

Yep. Those 80 year old ex service men selling poppies look like facists to me....

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2017, 08:08 AM

For me it symbolises the conscripted WW dead, but I realise money raised now goes to other recipients too. I think Fiskís words are inflammatory and somewhat presumptive.

Posted by: newres Nov 1 2017, 08:36 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 1 2017, 08:00 AM) *
T R A I T O R

T O S S E R

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2017, 09:15 AM

T I T T E R

Posted by: SirWilliam Nov 1 2017, 09:26 AM

I must admit that "Poppy Day" seems to have been hijacked by the commercial moguls . Like Easter eggs and christmas tree decorated , their appearance gets earlier year on year . I wear my poppy on the day and that's it , but not to wear one on some missguided impression that it somehow glorifies our involvement in armed conflict is a little short sighted . No one , apart from the odd Millwall FC supporter , wants to go to war but are forced into the position by bad people in charge , ( sounds like Trump , I apologise ), who wish to impress their power by any means .
Buy your poppy and wear it ,not so much in pride, more a recognition of the futility of war and it's victims .

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 1 2017, 09:39 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 07:27 AM) *
Where does anyone say itís a fascist symbol? The problem here is the intelligence of the readership.

Has anyone said it was fascist? My post drew attention to the fact the left were calling it racist, not fascist. I suggest you go back a page and reread my post before you start flinging groundless and silly accusations at me.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2017, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 1 2017, 09:39 AM) *
Has anyone said it was fascist? My post drew attention to the fact the left were calling it racist, not fascist. I suggest you go back a page and reread my post before you start flinging groundless and silly accusations at me.

I donít believe the author of the premise you refer to (Fisk: the poppy is racist) could legitimately claim to speak for the left. Children on this forum believe me to be Ďleftí; however, I usually wear a poppy, so it is not entirely true.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 1 2017, 10:21 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 1 2017, 11:05 AM) *
I don’t believe the author of the premise you refer to (Fisk: the poppy is racist) could legitimately claim to speak for the left. Children on this forum believe me to be ‘left’; however, I usually wear a poppy, so it is not entirely true.

The poppy is and should be a mark of respect for the fallen, for the blood spilt and young lives lost in defense of our country, to mark the blood soaked butchers bill that comes with sacrifice. Not some token of a tawdry attempt by silly and thoughtless fools to turn it to political advantage. And the poppies should always be red, as were the flowers that bloomed at Flanders.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2017, 01:03 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 1 2017, 10:21 AM) *
The poppy is and should be a mark of respect for the fallen, for the blood spilt and young lives lost in defense of our country, to mark the blood soaked butchers bill that comes with sacrifice. Not some token of a tawdry attempt by silly and thoughtless fools to turn it to political advantage. And the poppies should always be red, as were the flowers that bloomed at Flanders.

Poppy wearing is by its nature a political force, but not all military actions taken by a professional volunteer force is something some are proud of.

Laying down your life for a fellow human being is an honourable thing, but soldiers are not the only casualty in war or military conflict.

I wear a poppy lest I forget, not for any other reason.

Posted by: newres Nov 1 2017, 02:06 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 1 2017, 01:03 PM) *
Poppy wearing is by its nature a political force, but not all military actions taken by a professional volunteer force is something some are proud of.

Laying down your life for a fellow human being is an honourable thing, but soldiers are not the only casualty in war or military conflict.

I wear a poppy lest I forget, not for any other reason.

And I have no problem at all with people wearing a poppy. It's just for me it would symbolise a support for Blair's wars as the modern charities have adopted the poppy as a symbol (it seems to me).

I honestly have never heard it suggested that the poppy is a symbol of racism or fascism, but personally I'm uncomfortable with it being used by Britain First as a political football.

Do you lot spend your whole lives looking for things to be angry about?

Posted by: SirWilliam Nov 1 2017, 03:17 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 02:06 PM) *
And I have no problem at all with people wearing a poppy. It's just for me it would symbolise a support for Blair's wars as the modern charities have adopted the poppy as a symbol (it seems to me).

I honestly have never heard it suggested that the poppy is a symbol of racism or fascism, but personally I'm uncomfortable with it being used by Britain First as a political football.

Do you lot spend your whole lives looking for things to be angry about?


In agreement , ( bit of a collectors item wink.gif ) ; but remember our armed forces did not go into Iraq because they wanted to , they got sent by our democratically elected government . No one thinks it a good idea in hindsight , indeed it was a very bad idea , but wars are very seldom started by the people who fight them so to those who fell in any conflict we should salute their memory .

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 1 2017, 04:03 PM

Labour want to sully and despoil all concepts of loyalty to Britain, honour and service. To them, anything British is bad.

Posted by: newres Nov 1 2017, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 1 2017, 04:03 PM) *
Labour want to sully and despoil all concepts of loyalty to Britain, honour and service. To them, anything British is bad.

You really are an idiot! laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 1 2017, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 05:31 PM) *
You really are an idiot! laugh.gif

And you are a liberal clichť spouting weapons grade fool.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 1 2017, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 04:06 PM) *
And I have no problem at all with people wearing a poppy. It's just for me it would symbolise a support for Blair's wars as the modern charities have adopted the poppy as a symbol (it seems to me).

Wearing a poppy and the associated Festival of Remembrance and Remembrance Sunday do not support any war.
The clue is in the word "remembrance"!
QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 04:06 PM) *
Do you lot spend your whole lives looking for things to be angry about?

Who are "you lot"?
This is a forum of views and debate is a substantial part of that.
Some of the views of others will ignite some form of anger. Especially when covering subjects such as war and disrespect for the casualties of war.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2017, 07:40 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Nov 1 2017, 03:17 PM) *
In agreement , ( bit of a collectors item wink.gif ) ; but remember our armed forces did not go into Iraq because they wanted to , they got sent by our democratically elected government . No one thinks it a good idea in hindsight , indeed it was a very bad idea , but wars are very seldom started by the people who fight them so to those who fell in any conflict we should salute their memory .

I think more and more people are starting to see the folly in military ventures. It is one thing to respond to a direct threat, but another to know we voted for people to endorse a campaign that has killed hundreds of thousands of poor people.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2017, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 1 2017, 04:03 PM) *
Labour want to sully and despoil all concepts of loyalty to Britain, honour and service. To them, anything British is bad.

I feel Blairís military motives were an ill advised attempt at Ďmaking Britain great againí.

Posted by: SirWilliam Nov 1 2017, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 1 2017, 07:42 PM) *
I feel Blairís military motives were an ill advised attempt at Ďmaking Britain great againí.


And there I was thinking he had been in touch with the almighty . Blair was/is an egomaniac who is far more interested in having his name hewn into tablets of granite for posterity than doing something positive for the wretches who bought him to power .
Bush on the other hand was just thick .

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 1 2017, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 07:22 AM) *
Just to add. I no longer wear one. I used to before the recent wars and attend the ceremony but I wonít now as I see it now as a symbol of support of our recent wars. Iíd be tempted to wear a white one but instead I just wonít wear one anymore. Nothing to do with it being a fascist symbol but itís a shame right wing groups have begun to appropriate it.


I have no doubt you would be a conscientious objector if we had a conventional war again.

You may say this is your choice and indeed it is.

A lot of people though would consider you a coward.
White feather for Newres.

Posted by: newres Nov 1 2017, 08:58 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 1 2017, 08:10 PM) *
I have no doubt you would be a conscientious objector if we had a conventional war again.

You may say this is your choice and indeed it is.

A lot of people though would consider you a coward.
White feather for Newres.

D I C K H E A D

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 1 2017, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 08:58 PM) *
D I C K H E A D


Are you the girl on the roof???

http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/kfortmueller/clips/independence-day-1996

Thats you that is.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 1 2017, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 1 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Are you the girl on the roof???

http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/kfortmueller/clips/independence-day-1996

Thats you that is.

Well we can see who the Tories are in that clip.

Mind you, under the circumstances, top of the roof looks like a wise choice.

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 2 2017, 06:01 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 1 2017, 10:58 PM) *
D I C K H E A D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1leDAwjtto
It's not a playground!! dry.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Nov 2 2017, 11:25 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 2 2017, 06:01 AM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1leDAwjtto
It's not a playground!! dry.gif


Detention for the lower 4th cool.gif Somewhat ironical with MPs falling on their swords for making an off the cuff remark regarding a young ladies physique, contributors to this , and one surmises other , forums are free to say what they like about other members . I appreciate an element of banter on a quid pro quo principle but critical rhetoric should be centred on a persons view not them personally .

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 2 2017, 02:49 PM

"Corbynmania (ˌkɔːbɪnˈmeɪnɪə) noun: fervent enthusiasm for Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the UK Labour Party"

As demonstrated at length on this forum. See also 'Tardism' noun: fervent enthusiasm for being loony.

Posted by: The Hatter Nov 2 2017, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 2 2017, 02:49 PM) *
"Corbynmania (ˌkɔːbɪnˈmeɪnɪə) noun: fervent enthusiasm for Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the UK Labour Party"

As demonstrated at length on this forum. See also 'Tardism' noun: fervent enthusiasm for being loony.


Seems more like an echo chamber for you Britain First lads to me.

Posted by: SirWilliam Nov 2 2017, 03:25 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 2 2017, 02:49 PM) *
"Corbynmania (ˌkɔːbɪnˈmeɪnɪə) noun: fervent enthusiasm for Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the UK Labour Party"

As demonstrated at length on this forum. See also 'Tardism' noun: fervent enthusiasm for being loony.


Seems to me , as a paid up member of the uninitiated society , that the following JC commands has very little to do with his policy more a collective devotion orchestrated by Labour high command .
Tardism ? Isn't that something to do with Dr Who ?

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 2 2017, 04:39 PM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Nov 2 2017, 04:16 PM) *
Seems more like an echo chamber for you Britain First lads to me.


I begin to see what the JSC is getting at. I truly do. Sadly. sad.gif

Posted by: newres Nov 2 2017, 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 2 2017, 04:39 PM) *
I begin to see what the JSC is getting at. I truly do. Sadly. sad.gif

Well thatís how you come across and you accuse anyone who doesnít agree with you of being a Corbynite. I didnít even vote Labour! That said Britain in Europe under Corbin will b a safer economy whatever he does than a Britain out of it. Pragmatism is what you seething nutters will never learn.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 2 2017, 05:44 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 2 2017, 06:37 PM) *
Well thatís how you come across and you accuse anyone who doesnít agree with you of being a Corbynite. I didnít even vote Labour! That said Britain in Europe under Corbin will b a safer economy whatever he does than a Britain out of it. Pragmatism is what you seething nutters will never learn.

Please, just go ahead and show your true colours, don't sit on the fence. Oh and by the way, Britain under Corbin will suffer total financial meltdown, just as it did under the last labour government.

Posted by: SirWilliam Nov 2 2017, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 2 2017, 05:44 PM) *
Please, just go ahead and show your true colours, don't sit on the fence. Oh and by the way, Britain under Corbin will suffer total financial meltdown, just as it did under the last labour government.


Is that important ? Every time a Labour government is elected we end up in a financial mess ; each time we vote Conservative the underprivileged feel the effect . Like the eponymous pig cycle no single political party has the ability to break away from the system. Rather like the Planet's orbit of the Sun ,it is the way things are . I have sympathy with both groups but by the same token both parties are responsible for the mess and only be uniting as a common voice will it improve .

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 2 2017, 06:53 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 2 2017, 06:37 PM) *
Well thatís how you come across and you accuse anyone who doesnít agree with you of being a Corbynite. I didnít even vote Labour! That said Britain in Europe under Corbin will b a safer economy whatever he does than a Britain out of it. Pragmatism is what you seething nutters will never learn.

Ahh, seething nutters, how pragmatic is that! Try being 'pragmatic' about other peeps views, for a change. No, course not, not the lefts way is it, just shut down anyone who trys to have an alternate view. Well done. true to form, again.

Posted by: newres Nov 2 2017, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 2 2017, 06:53 PM) *
Ahh, seething nutters, how pragmatic is that! Try being 'pragmatic' about other peeps views, for a change. No, course not, not the lefts way is it, just shut down anyone who trys to have an alternate view. Well done. true to form, again.

But that's how you and a few others come across! It's you that shuts down the alternative view. Calling me a traitor and a coward because I consider wearing a poppy to be support for Iraq & Afghanistan. I don't mind other people wearing them and it no doubt doesn't mean that to them.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 2 2017, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 2 2017, 07:59 PM) *
But that's how you and a few others come across! It's you that shuts down the alternative view. Calling me a traitor and a coward because I consider wearing a poppy to be support for Iraq & Afghanistan. I don't mind other people wearing them and it no doubt doesn't mean that to them.

The whole point of the poppy is in my opinion and I know others think differently is that it's tied intimately to Remembrance day. To remember the nations dead, who (in general) went to fight in defense of our country. So that we could enjoy the freedoms enjoyed by you and I, Iraq and Afghanistan were to some extent politically inspired conflicts which we were never going to win. That said, people still died, they didn't choose to go, they were sent. As a soldier to don't get to pick and choose were you go or who you fight, that's always a political decision and to try to twist that to gain some pitiful little political advantage is in my view incredibly distasteful.

No doubt you will disagree and come back with some clever little comeback but that's up to you really.

Posted by: newres Nov 2 2017, 07:20 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 2 2017, 07:14 PM) *
The whole point of the poppy is in my opinion and I know others think differently is that it's tied intimately to Remembrance day. To remember the nations dead, who (in general) went to fight in defense of our country. So that we could enjoy the freedoms enjoyed by you and I, Iraq and Afghanistan were to some extent politically inspired conflicts which we were never going to win. That said, people still died, they didn't choose to go, they were sent. As a soldier to don't get to pick and choose were you go or who you fight, that's always a political decision and to try to twist that to gain some pitiful little political advantage is in my view incredibly distasteful.

No doubt you will disagree and come back with some clever little comeback but that's up to you really.

There you go again. Couldnít make it up. Prat.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 2 2017, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 2 2017, 07:20 PM) *
There you go again. Couldnít make it up. Prat.

And I was right, he did, even sensible discourse isn't to his taste, find it a bit sad really that some people appear to be so far up their own fundaments that even the sky looks brown to them. Oh well, tried to be civil.

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 2 2017, 07:45 PM

Used to enjoy reading the posts on this forum. Now it's just sad drivell.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 2 2017, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 2 2017, 07:42 PM) *
And I was right, he did, even sensible discourse isn't to his taste, find it a bit sad really that some people appear to be so far up their own fundaments that even the sky looks brown to them. Oh well, tried to be civil.

I tried being sensible with newres. I just gave up in the end. He can't cope with people that think differently.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Nov 2 2017, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 2 2017, 08:03 PM) *
I tried being sensible with newres. I just gave up in the end. He can't cope with people that think differently.

He comes across like a weapons grade ****** (personal opinion)

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 2 2017, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Andy1 @ Nov 2 2017, 07:45 PM) *
Used to enjoy reading the posts on this forum. Now it's just sad drivell.

Feel free to start a new thread, you might be surprised biggrin.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 2 2017, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 2 2017, 08:09 PM) *
He comes across like a weapons grade ****** (personal opinion)

Without wishing to start a fight, he doesn't come across as being too bright at the moment.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 2 2017, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 2 2017, 07:14 PM) *
The whole point of the poppy is in my opinion and I know others think differently is that it's tied intimately to Remembrance day. To remember the nations dead, who (in general) went to fight in defense of our country. So that we could enjoy the freedoms enjoyed by you and I, Iraq and Afghanistan were to some extent politically inspired conflicts which we were never going to win. That said, people still died, they didn't choose to go, they were sent. As a soldier to don't get to pick and choose were you go or who you fight, that's always a political decision and to try to twist that to gain some pitiful little political advantage is in my view incredibly distasteful.

No doubt you will disagree and come back with some clever little comeback but that's up to you really.

The problem starts when wearing one becomes a social obligation which is fine if it were a symbol of respect for soldiers who were volunteers and conscripted to defend against impending tyranny, but less agreeable when its to pay tribute to people who signed up willingly in the knowledge they may be shot at or bombed one day, made worse when it was to prosecute a war on a very questionable legal basis.

I will still pay tribute to those that did and still support the poppy, but I am beginning to question whether I should continue to do so. Vietnamís conclusion was hastened I feel due to public resentment and there was a draft for that.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 2 2017, 08:29 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 2 2017, 08:09 PM) *
He comes across like a weapons grade ****** (personal opinion)

He does have footage of you though on one of your jaunts out...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/controversial-political-ad-pulled-new-york-terror-attack-article-1.3603015

😂

Posted by: newres Nov 2 2017, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 2 2017, 08:09 PM) *
He comes across like a weapons grade ****** (personal opinion)

Everything about you including your forum name sings small town reactionary ******** but hey ho. laugh.gif

Posted by: newres Nov 2 2017, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 2 2017, 08:03 PM) *
I tried being sensible with newres. I just gave up in the end. He can't cope with people that think differently.

You think like everyone else on here that's fed a diet of Mail/Express nonsense without the intelligence to question what you're fed. Others have left this forum because of people like you. Have you not noticed that generally there's no debate here anymore? Unless I pop by? It's because everyone else is fed up fed up with your right wing / Britain First agenda.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 2 2017, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 2 2017, 09:00 PM) *
You think like everyone else on here that's fed a diet of Mail/Express nonsense without the intelligence to question what you're fed. Others have left this forum because of people like you. Have you not noticed that generally there's no debate here anymore? Unless I pop by? It's because everyone else is fed up fed up with your right wing / Britain First agenda.


Comparing us to a group who inspired a nut job to kill Jo Cox. Nice!
I guess that makes you an ISIS sympathiser who wants all white people ethnically cleansed. Fool..

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 2 2017, 09:18 PM

I miss the old days: slagging off the council stooges; however, I am certain that several posts on here has led to changes about town.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 2 2017, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 2 2017, 08:56 PM) *
Everything about you including your forum name sings small town reactionary ******** but hey ho. laugh.gif

Says someone called 'newres', funny if it wasn't sad. smile.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 2 2017, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 2 2017, 09:23 PM) *
Says someone called 'newres', funny if it wasn't sad. smile.gif

He's not even from Newbury. Bl00dy foreigner. He is a white flight from London. And his views are bordering on extremist in good old Newbury town.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 2 2017, 10:59 PM

Iím surprised you all let each other get under each otherís skin so readily. I treat it with the contempt it deserves. I couldnít care less about being called a libtard or whatever. In fact I welcome it; it proves to me that my indirect baiting with my peace taking is working. All this left wing libtard stuff is laughably pathetic.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 2 2017, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 2 2017, 10:59 PM) *
Iím surprised you all let each other get under each otherís skin so readily. I treat it with the contempt it deserves. I couldnít care less about being called a libtard or whatever. In fact I welcome it; it proves to me that my indirect baiting with my peace taking is working. All this left wing libtard stuff is laughably pathetic.

As is the Britain First nonsene. I may disagree with you on policy but at least you argue the point. Newres won't accomodate anyone elses views. That's why the forum has descensed into farce. Cant imagine what it must be like for his poor employees!

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 3 2017, 08:52 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 2 2017, 09:14 PM) *
No doubt you will disagree and come back with some clever little comeback but that's up to you really.


QUOTE (newres @ Nov 2 2017, 09:20 PM) *
There you go again. Couldn’t make it up. Prat.

Wasn't that clever was it? laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Nov 3 2017, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 2 2017, 11:00 PM) *
You think like everyone else on here that's fed a diet of Mail/Express nonsense without the intelligence to question what you're fed. Others have left this forum because of people like you. Have you not noticed that generally there's no debate here anymore? Unless I pop by? It's because everyone else is fed up fed up with your right wing / Britain First agenda.

"everyone else on here" "without the intelligence" Please elaborate.
Actually when you "pop by" the debate often lessens and regularly resorts to insult.
When someone posts something that you disagree with try and counteract with debate to make your point as to why you disagree.
(Hang on............am I going back to basics here, like the BBC this morning telling us to "wrap up warm" if we are going to a firework display?) rolleyes.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Nov 3 2017, 09:22 AM

Once more a cross section of adults from West Berkshire revert to type . One assumes that most read Golding's novel at an informative age and it has left an indelible impression on their subconscious .
Little wonder so few now contribute to this forum , as they probably feel intimidated by the content . Stick to the subject chaps and leave the playground stuff to the little ones . cool.gif

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 3 2017, 12:53 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 2 2017, 08:18 PM) *
Feel free to start a new thread, you might be surprised biggrin.gif


Well it would seem even the moderator is bored of this forum too.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Dec 16 2017, 12:23 PM

"Mob storms celeb party near Grenfell chanting: Tory scum"

Momentum, you soo silly.

"This is disrespectful, I hear there are Jews and wealthy people inside"

Well done those people for demonstrating the lefts anti Semitism. A view of Corbyn s Britain. laugh.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Dec 16 2017, 12:37 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 16 2017, 12:23 PM) *
"Mob storms celeb party near Grenfell chanting: Tory scum"

Momentum, you soo silly.

"This is disrespectful, I hear there are Jews and wealthy people inside"

Well done those people for demonstrating the lefts anti Semitism. A view of Corbyn s Britain. laugh.gif

And the inspiration behind the celebrity party storming a view of Tory Britain.

Posted by: Andy Capp Dec 16 2017, 06:56 PM

Yes, flog the silvery and fk the rest; Iíve got a boat.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Dec 16 2017, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 16 2017, 12:37 PM) *
And the inspiration behind the celebrity party storming a view of Tory Britain.

Oh hello, have you met? Keyboard, this is forehead. Forehead, this is keyboard.

Posted by: Andy Capp Dec 17 2017, 06:15 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 16 2017, 08:06 PM) *
Oh hello, have you met? Keyboard, this is forehead. Forehead, this is keyboard.

Well one involves bad language, the other involves death. Guess which Britain is Tory. Not that people like you care.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Dec 17 2017, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 17 2017, 06:15 PM) *
Well one involves bad language, the other involves death. Guess which Britain is Tory. Not that people like you care.

Or people like you understand, Libtard!

Posted by: Andy Capp Dec 18 2017, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 17 2017, 06:23 PM) *
Or people like you understand, Libtard!

It seems vulgar language is not the sole preserve of leftist anarchists.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Dec 18 2017, 11:35 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 16 2017, 12:37 PM) *
And the inspiration behind the celebrity party storming a view of Tory Britain.

On the subject of language, care to translate this from forehead into something readable?

Posted by: Andy Capp Dec 18 2017, 11:51 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 18 2017, 11:35 AM) *
On the subject of language, care to translate this from forehead into something readable?

Not really, not until you can be civil.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Dec 18 2017, 12:32 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 18 2017, 11:51 AM) *
Not really, not until you can be civil.

Long wait then.

Posted by: Andy Capp Dec 18 2017, 12:36 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 18 2017, 12:32 PM) *
Long wait then.

We know.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Feb 25 2018, 02:43 AM

She's getting good at this politician thing:

https://youtu.be/G-vGQJIxkzQ

Posted by: The Hatter Feb 25 2018, 08:51 AM

Same old, same old, we've all got access to you tube.

Posted by: Turin Machine Feb 25 2018, 10:13 AM

Poor old girl, too confused and fuddled to understand the question. I believe it happens when you get to that sort of age. dry.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Feb 25 2018, 11:10 AM

Or simply an incompetent politician.

Posted by: Turin Machine Feb 25 2018, 11:36 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 25 2018, 11:10 AM) *
Or simply an incompetent politician.

The Peter principle.

Posted by: SirWilliam Feb 25 2018, 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Feb 25 2018, 11:36 AM) *
The Peter principle.


Bet that one got google working overtime. wink.gif wink.gif

Posted by: x2lls Feb 25 2018, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (The Hatter @ Feb 25 2018, 08:51 AM) *
Same old, same old, we've all got access to you tube.



Technology moves on, the muppet doesn't.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 6 2018, 11:24 AM

In case you were in any doubt as to the sanity of the lefts political ambitions:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/686733/Kings-College-London-Anti-facist-protesters-attack-free-speech-event-Sargon-of-Akkad-video

Posted by: newres Mar 6 2018, 03:27 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 6 2018, 11:24 AM) *
In case you were in any doubt as to the sanity of the lefts political ambitions:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/686733/Kings-College-London-Anti-facist-protesters-attack-free-speech-event-Sargon-of-Akkad-video

Your choice of source speaks volumes. laugh.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 6 2018, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 6 2018, 03:27 PM) *
Your choice of source speaks volumes. laugh.gif

So, denying it happened then?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 6 2018, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 6 2018, 03:27 PM) *
Your choice of source speaks volumes. laugh.gif

Your argument speaks volumes about your entrenched liberal racism, and all your arguments are weak, this is in the star, the sun, the telegraph, the evening standard and the coverage is growing.

Posted by: newres Mar 6 2018, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 6 2018, 04:05 PM) *
Your argument speaks volumes about your entrenched liberal racism, and all your arguments are weak, this is in the star, the sun, the telegraph, the evening standard and the coverage is growing.

But it's just a few agitators. It doesn't signify anything more than me posting a link to BNP rallies or Britain First. It's meaningless so the only thing left to draw a conclusion from is what the poster reads.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 6 2018, 04:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 6 2018, 04:08 PM) *
But it's just a few agitators. It doesn't signify anything more than me posting a link to BNP rallies or Britain First. It's meaningless so the only thing left to draw a conclusion from is what the poster reads.

Not the same at all, it's something on the increase, where thugs (all masked) invade peaceful meetings with the sole aim of disruption. It's hilarious that the so called anti fascist movement are so **** bent on acting exactly like fascists.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 6 2018, 04:55 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 6 2018, 04:05 PM) *
Your argument speaks volumes about your entrenched liberal racism, and all your arguments are weak, this is in the star, the sun, the telegraph, the evening standard and the coverage is growing.

Like many others today I do not subscribe to nor buy any daily paper. I get the news I need from various news feeds, all of which provides a wide range of news and opinions. The only paper I used to get was the Sunday sport? Used to enjoy finding out about all the B52 bombers and London buses on the moon. I hear Elvis is up there as well now! laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 6 2018, 05:10 PM

Lest we forget.

https://youtu.be/w-Syo86gsHk

Comedy gold!

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 6 2018, 07:44 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 6 2018, 04:05 PM) *
Your argument speaks volumes about your entrenched liberal racism, and all your arguments are weak, this is in the star, the sun, the telegraph, the evening standard and the coverage is growing.

laugh.gif some highbrow reading there!

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 6 2018, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 6 2018, 07:44 PM) *
laugh.gif some highbrow reading there!

The quality of the media cannot retrospectively alter the events.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 6 2018, 08:14 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 6 2018, 07:48 PM) *
The quality of the media cannot retrospectively alter the events.

Unless you are a gurdian reading sandal wearing beardy weirdy channel4 watching soy boy libtard then you just dont understand the world these days.....

Its funny that CNNs ratings have nosedived and that the guardian begs for money each time you read an article. Anyone would think that people were not interested in the drivel that they expunge...

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 7 2018, 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 6 2018, 07:48 PM) *
The quality of the media cannot retrospectively alter the events.

No, but history shows the media will misrepresent it.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 7 2018, 09:05 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 6 2018, 08:14 PM) *
Unless you are a gurdian reading sandal wearing beardy weirdy channel4 watching soy boy libtard then you just dont understand the world these days.....

Its funny that CNNs ratings have nosedived and that the guardian begs for money each time you read an article. Anyone would think that people were not interested in the drivel that they expunge...

People are notoriously narrow minded and bigoted, so it comes as no surprise to me. My mantra is not to trust the news.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 7 2018, 01:57 PM

JC caught 'mansplaining'. laugh.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 8 2018, 03:45 PM

Even better!

"Jeremy Corbyn has admitted having been a member of a controversial private Facebook group about Palestine but denied ever seeing anti-Semitic posts.
Labour is investigating after claims abusive messages about Jews where exchanged on the forum emerged.

Mr Corbyn said he was signed up to the group without his knowledge but later exchanged messages on it."

Soon, basically he's saying he didn't inhale. laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 8 2018, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 8 2018, 03:45 PM) *
Even better!

"Jeremy Corbyn has admitted having been a member of a controversial private Facebook group about Palestine but denied ever seeing anti-Semitic posts.
Labour is investigating after claims abusive messages about Jews where exchanged on the forum emerged.

Mr Corbyn said he was signed up to the group without his knowledge but later exchanged messages on it."

Soon, basically he's saying he didn't inhale. laugh.gif


Another paid up member of the "couldn't run straight up a drainpipe" brigade. Duplicitous sod. angry.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 8 2018, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 8 2018, 04:07 PM) *
Another paid up member of the "couldn't run straight up a drainpipe" brigade. Duplicitous sod. angry.gif

Thereís a lot of it about.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 8 2018, 10:24 PM

I see the Maybot was caught out with a vicious question about how she liked to let her hair down; that sent her program into a for-loop!

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 9 2018, 12:24 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 8 2018, 10:24 PM) *
I see the Maybot was caught out with a vicious question about how she liked to let her hair down; that sent her program into a for-loop!

That's The Blessed Saint Theresa to you sonny boy!

Posted by: newres Mar 9 2018, 12:02 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 9 2018, 12:24 AM) *
That's The Blessed Saint Theresa to you sonny boy!

She's pretty hapless though. I appreciate she's walking a fine line, but a woman of strength would just do what she thinks is right and is supported by the majority of her MPs.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 9 2018, 12:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 9 2018, 12:02 PM) *
She's pretty hapless though. I appreciate she's walking a fine line, but a woman of strength would just do what she thinks is right and is supported by the majority of her MPs.


Strength of character is not her forte thats for sure. Still she doesn't have to much competition for the top job and for that reason alone she needs a little encouragement. Just imagine life under Boris. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 9 2018, 12:39 PM

It's a tough call, no-one expected the brexit vote to go the way it did and she's been handed a poison chalice and, succeed or fail she will always be remembered for brexit. All parties are ridden by infighting and power grabs, just look at Labour. Personally? I would like to see a bit more Churchillian statesmanship with a touch of Maggie's waspishness thrown in. But it is what it is, at least she's not a supporter of terrorists.

Posted by: newres Mar 9 2018, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 9 2018, 12:39 PM) *
It's a tough call, no-one expected the brexit vote to go the way it did and she's been handed a poison chalice and, succeed or fail she will always be remembered for brexit. All parties are ridden by infighting and power grabs, just look at Labour. Personally? I would like to see a bit more Churchillian statesmanship with a touch of Maggie's waspishness thrown in. But it is what it is, at least she's not a supporter of terrorists.

Well letís not forget that Israel was founded on terror and todayís terrorist is tomorrowís statesman. Mandela anyone?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 16 2018, 01:28 AM

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Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 05:13 PM

Senior Labour officials quit ahead of new general secretary
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43462223

More rats, same ship.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 26 2018, 08:01 PM

Next installment.

Who to believe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=38&v=k2gh8vpIyoY

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 26 2018, 10:05 PM

Social justice.

For the many,
Not the Jew.

Labours catchy new slogan.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 26 2018, 10:52 PM

How about,

"Vote labour, get a free ride to the 1930's"

Has a certain ring to it.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 27 2018, 07:17 AM

Under May weíre not far away already!

How about: "If you want a druggy for a neighbour, vote Labour!

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 27 2018, 07:44 AM

What's the difference between,
a, Tearing up your voting slip
b,. Voting liberal?

It's a trick question! There is no difference! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: newres Mar 27 2018, 11:25 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 27 2018, 08:44 AM) *
What's the difference between,
a, Tearing up your voting slip
b,. Voting liberal?

It's a trick question! There is no difference! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Didnít we not so long ago have a Libdem mp?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 27 2018, 03:33 PM

NATO and 26 nations have now taken action against Russia. Jeremy still wants tea and sweet biscuits. Not looking good for national security under his tenure is it.

Posted by: newres Mar 27 2018, 04:57 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 27 2018, 04:33 PM) *
NATO and 26 nations have now taken action against Russia. Jeremy still wants tea and sweet biscuits. Not looking good for national security under his tenure is it.

And Donald Trump tweets about everybody except Putin. Looks like thereís a lot of evidence over collusion in the election. I know who Iíd trust more and it isnít Trump. It would be the man who has been on the right side of history on every foreign policy vote. Iraq, South Africa, Syria, Afghanistan and so on. Heís not entirely to my taste but he is a moral man with better vision on policy than any PM in the last 50 years.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 27 2018, 05:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 27 2018, 04:57 PM) *
And Donald Trump tweets about everybody except Putin. Looks like thereís a lot of evidence over collusion in the election. I know who Iíd trust more and it isnít Trump. It would be the man who has been on the right side of history on every foreign policy vote. Iraq, South Africa, Syria, Afghanistan and so on. Heís not entirely to my taste but he is a moral man with better vision on policy than any PM in the last 50 years.



Talking of Hitler, (Did you see what I did there?) how is the recent activity in SA against white farmers being reported? You still don't address the ACTUAL issues, you continually go for those speaking up.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 27 2018, 06:04 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 27 2018, 06:34 PM) *
Talking of Hitler, (Did you see what I did there?) how is the recent activity in SA against white farmers being reported? You still don't address the ACTUAL issues, you continually go for those speaking up.


Zimbabwe today = South Africa tomorrow. Just dont even think about having a charity appeal when the inebitible famine occurs.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 27 2018, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 27 2018, 07:04 PM) *
Zimbabwe today = South Africa tomorrow. Just dont even think about having a charity appeal when the inebitible famine occurs.


Quick google search and a figure of $2.4 trillion is shown to have been donated to Africa in aid since the 1960's. Now for that sort of outlay I could pipe running water to every mud hut on the continent. We all know where most of it has ended up and now it looks as though South Africa is going to join the ranks of other ex colonial countries in the belief that starvation is the result of nasty white imperialists as opposed to their own ineptitude in food production. angry.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 27 2018, 08:05 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 27 2018, 08:32 PM) *
Quick google search and a figure of $2.4 trillion is shown to have been donated to Africa in aid since the 1960's. Now for that sort of outlay I could pipe running water to every mud hut on the continent. We all know where most of it has ended up and now it looks as though South Africa is going to join the ranks of other ex colonial countries in the belief that starvation is the result of nasty white imperialists as opposed to their own ineptitude in food production. angry.gif


Quite. But you just know Ewan McGregor, Bono and co are going to be appearing on a tv screen soon begging for aid for S Africa.. I have no issue with places like Syria and Yemen receiving aid where war has been visited on the general populous often through no fault of there own. I don't have as much sympathy with agriculturally rich countries with no wars and a racist policy.

Posted by: newres Mar 27 2018, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 27 2018, 06:34 PM) *
Talking of Hitler, (Did you see what I did there?) how is the recent activity in SA against white farmers being reported? You still don't address the ACTUAL issues, you continually go for those speaking up.

Ach, you and your brown shirt buddies.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 27 2018, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 27 2018, 09:10 PM) *
Ach, you and your brown shirt buddies.

Please name and shame these "brown shirt buddies" of JSC. I mean I know JSC is hitler reborn 😂 but the rest of us? Himmler? Mengele? Come on... Let it all out you poor soul...

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 27 2018, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 27 2018, 05:57 PM) *
And Donald Trump tweets about everybody except Putin. Looks like thereís a lot of evidence over collusion in the election. I know who Iíd trust more and it isnít Trump. It would be the man who has been on the right side of history on every foreign policy vote. Iraq, South Africa, Syria, Afghanistan and so on. Heís not entirely to my taste but he is a moral man with better vision on policy than any PM in the last 50 years.

Its the lure of all that anti-sematism that's the lure for you. You can go around asking "what tribe they're from"

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 27 2018, 10:54 PM

Jeremy Corbyn Is a Moral Rot Consuming Labour From the Inside. He Must Be Destroyed

By Louis McEvoy
"As has been clear for over a year now, Jeremy Corbyn is not a decent man. Jeremy Corbyn is a nasty, morally questionable and dishonest narcissist with a third-rate mind; a man who stands against so much of what the Labour Party ought to exist for. In an era where capitalism has triumphed, identity politics is often the only successful repository of leftist thought, and old-school social democracy can amount to little more than a quaint anachronism supporting the illusion of political choice, itís hardly a surprise that such a mean-spirited and meaningless faux-leftist ideology has successfully filled the vacated space of left-wing philosophy. Itís the Parliamentary Labour Partyís equivalent of the vile backbench Tory Right. What makes this so much worse is that, well, the Tories would never allow someone like Andrea Leadsom to become Prime Minister. Labour threw up their own Leadsom in order to have a broad debate last year - and this Leadsom won. Itís hilarious for the first few seconds, before you realise the implications this has for the welfare state, the NHS, basic standards of living...just take your pick, really. But the Corbyn problem is not purely one of electoral impotence, even as Owen Smith (pragmatically, rightly) presents it as such. There can be a real malice to Corbyn, as a popular political phenomenon - in terms of both belief and practice."

Posted by: newres Mar 28 2018, 06:13 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 27 2018, 11:54 PM) *
Jeremy Corbyn Is a Moral Rot Consuming Labour From the Inside. He Must Be Destroyed

By Louis McEvoy
"As has been clear for over a year now, Jeremy Corbyn is not a decent man. Jeremy Corbyn is a nasty, morally questionable and dishonest narcissist with a third-rate mind; a man who stands against so much of what the Labour Party ought to exist for. In an era where capitalism has triumphed, identity politics is often the only successful repository of leftist thought, and old-school social democracy can amount to little more than a quaint anachronism supporting the illusion of political choice, itís hardly a surprise that such a mean-spirited and meaningless faux-leftist ideology has successfully filled the vacated space of left-wing philosophy. Itís the Parliamentary Labour Partyís equivalent of the vile backbench Tory Right. What makes this so much worse is that, well, the Tories would never allow someone like Andrea Leadsom to become Prime Minister. Labour threw up their own Leadsom in order to have a broad debate last year - and this Leadsom won. Itís hilarious for the first few seconds, before you realise the implications this has for the welfare state, the NHS, basic standards of living...just take your pick, really. But the Corbyn problem is not purely one of electoral impotence, even as Owen Smith (pragmatically, rightly) presents it as such. There can be a real malice to Corbyn, as a popular political phenomenon - in terms of both belief and practice."

Again, I wouldnít choose him as leader, I might not even vote Labour, but even Michael Heseltine has said that the economy would be safer under Corbyn than after Brexit. He does sound like a tough leader, but none of you swivel eyed loons complained about Maggie.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 28 2018, 08:00 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 27 2018, 12:25 PM) *
Didnít we not so long ago have a Libdem mp?

Oh god, unfortunately yes.
Please don't remind me! sad.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 28 2018, 08:22 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 07:13 AM) *
Again, I wouldnít choose him as leader, I might not even vote Labour, but even Michael Heseltine has said that the economy would be safer under Corbyn than after Brexit. He does sound like a tough leader, but none of you swivel eyed loons complained about Maggie.


Michael Heseltine????? A chap whose primary claim to fame is his falling out of love with his boss over a helicopter manufacturers future, an ability to wield a symbolic mace and to shoot a squirrel.
This "either or" approach only shows what a slippery slope UK politics finds itself.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 28 2018, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 07:13 AM) *
the economy would be safer under Corbyn than after Brexit. He does sound like a tough leader, but none of you swivel eyed loons complained about Maggie.

Safer than after Brexit? Really? What does that even mean? It's gibberish!

Sounds like a tough leader? Really? In what way? Compared to a single celled lifeform, maybe. But that's about it. Sonny, you need to get out more.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 28 2018, 11:34 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 28 2018, 10:51 AM) *
Safer than after Brexit? Really? What does that even mean? It's gibberish!

Sounds like a tough leader? Really? In what way? Compared to a single celled lifeform, maybe. But that's about it. Sonny, you need to get out more.

"Tough leader"?? laugh.gif
We haven't had one of those for a very long time and sadly doesn't seem to be much prospect of one.
Badly needed though. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 28 2018, 12:14 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 28 2018, 12:34 PM) *
"Tough leader"?? laugh.gif
We haven't had one of those for a very long time and sadly doesn't seem to be much prospect of one.
Badly needed though. rolleyes.gif


Not tough? Seems to me JC is taking a strong position against those "nasty" Jewish people. Probably retribution for nailing his namesake to a plank of wood.

Posted by: newres Mar 28 2018, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 28 2018, 01:14 PM) *
Not tough? Seems to me JC is taking a strong position against those "nasty" Jewish people. Probably retribution for nailing his namesake to a plank of wood.

Since when does opposing Israeli oppression of its neighbours equate to being anti Semitic? Itís ridiculous and unfortunately the less than bright swallow it. The nearest comparison is to call someone an Islamaphobe for criticising Saudi Arabia in Yemen. Itís thick to be frank to believe it.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 28 2018, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 04:18 PM) *
Since when does opposing Israeli oppression of its neighbours equate to being anti Semitic? Itís ridiculous and unfortunately the less than bright swallow it. The nearest comparison is to call someone an Islamaphobe for criticising Saudi Arabia in Yemen. Itís thick to be frank to believe it.

Yes... Everyone in this forum is thick apart from you! Funny that..

Posted by: x2lls Mar 28 2018, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 03:18 PM) *
Since when does opposing Israeli oppression of its neighbours equate to being anti Semitic? Itís ridiculous and unfortunately the less than bright swallow it. The nearest comparison is to call someone an Islamaphobe for criticising Saudi Arabia in Yemen. Itís thick to be frank to believe it.



Dear bright person (You see what I did there?)

Please try addressing the points made previously before the current diatribe and deflection.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 28 2018, 08:22 PM

Hmm, sound like anyone??

Man has 'world's worst' super-gonorrhoea - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43571120

Posted by: newres Mar 28 2018, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 28 2018, 09:07 PM) *
Dear bright person (You see what I did there?)

Please try addressing the points made previously before the current diatribe and deflection.

Itís actually difficult to take seriously anyone that attends a brown shirt rally.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 28 2018, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 28 2018, 09:22 PM) *
Hmm, sound like anyone??

Man has 'world's worst' super-gonorrhoea - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43571120


Can't be newres. Didn't think soy boys did "sexual relations".😂

Posted by: newres Mar 28 2018, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 28 2018, 09:22 PM) *
Hmm, sound like anyone??

Man has 'world's worst' super-gonorrhoea - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43571120

Have you not had your knuckles rapped once for calling me a paedophile? Now Iíve got an STD? You really are a very immature arenít you?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 28 2018, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 09:44 PM) *
Itís actually difficult to take seriously anyone that attends a brown shirt rally.

Is the opposite of a brown shirt rally a momemtum rally? Or an antifa rally? Or are they ok in your view? What about the make Britain an Islamic state rally where some "people" call for an islamic state and sharia law? Dont hear much from you about them? Or are they ok? Its just anyone right of Vince Cable that gets you going...

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 28 2018, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 09:46 PM) *
Have you not had your knuckles rapped once for calling me a paedophile? Now Iíve got an STD? You really are a very immature arenít you?

Call the cops!!!!

Posted by: newres Mar 28 2018, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 28 2018, 09:44 PM) *
Can't be newres. Didn't think soy boys did "sexual relations".😂

Itís got past any discussion. Itís just childish insults now. The fact is that there isnít any debate on here normally and you drive away anyone that disagrees with you. Simon disappeared and the forum is a poorer place for it.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 28 2018, 08:54 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 09:52 PM) *
Itís got past any discussion. Itís just childish insults now. The fact is that there isnít any debate on here normally and you drive away anyone that disagrees with you. Simon disappeared and the forum is a poorer place for it.

In all seriousness you need to improve your debating. Its poor.

Posted by: newres Mar 28 2018, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 28 2018, 09:49 PM) *
Is the opposite of a brown shirt rally a momemtum rally? Or an antifa rally? Or are they ok in your view? What about the make Britain an Islamic state rally where some "people" call for an islamic state and sharia law? Dont hear much from you about them? Or are they ok? Its just anyone right of Vince Cable that gets you going...

Just because Iím not a racist or Iskamaphobe, it doesnít mean that Iím a communist. You are really quite black and white arenít you? I run a business. I employ people. I make profit from the labour if others. That kind of disqualifies me from membership of the party donít you think?

Posted by: newres Mar 28 2018, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 28 2018, 09:54 PM) *
In all seriousness you need to improve your debating. Its poor.

Oh dear...,

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 28 2018, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 09:46 PM) *
Have you not had your knuckles rapped once for calling me a paedophile? Now Iíve got an STD? You really are a very immature arenít you?

Did I say it was you? Or do you either have a guilty conscience or believe everything has to be about you? Knuckles rapped? Not so I'd noticed?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 28 2018, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 09:57 PM) *
Just because Iím not a racist or Iskamaphobe, it doesnít mean that Iím a communist. You are really quite black and white arenít you? I run a business. I employ people. I make profit from the labour if others. That kind of disqualifies me from membership of the party donít you think?

Walter Mitty syndrome.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 28 2018, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 28 2018, 10:06 PM) *
Walter Mitty syndrome.

About as much business acumen as Donald Trump!!!!
I've really insulted him now.😂

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 28 2018, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 09:57 PM) *
Just because Iím not a racist or Iskamaphobe, it doesnít mean that Iím a communist. You are really quite black and white arenít you? I run a business. I employ people. I make profit from the labour if others. That kind of disqualifies me from membership of the party donít you think?


I don't understand how anyone with any knowledge of economics could vote for Corbyn. I guess you just don't follow what happens in other countries with a left wing government. Give me an example of a success.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 29 2018, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 28 2018, 10:40 PM) *
I don't understand how anyone with any knowledge of economics could vote for Corbyn. I guess you just don't follow what happens in other countries with a left wing government. Give me an example of a success.


Could someone define a "left wing government"? Those who purport to be working on behalf of the proletariat invariably are using the populist support to prop up their particular agenda, which is at odds with what the masses actually want but having been subjected to the "other" side of politics for generations are more than happy to embrace the new order so they can put one over on the past masters. The only real left wing government we have experienced was the Attlee regime after the war and history has shown that was not the utopia promised.

Let's face it politics stink whichever flag they sit under.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 29 2018, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 28 2018, 08:44 PM) *
Itís actually difficult to take seriously anyone that attends a brown shirt rally.



Apparently Labour voters are telling people they vote UKIP to avoid being thought of as racists.

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 03:50 PM

Well it's true that every racist is a Brexiteer so you might have something there.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 04:50 PM) *
Well it's true that every racist is a Brexiteer so you might have something there.

So by this measure, 51% of those who voted are racist? Really? Please tell me more Mr Mitty.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 29 2018, 05:09 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 04:50 PM) *
Well it's true that every racist is a Brexiteer so you might have something there.


I trust you are not implying that every brexiteer is therefore a racist? I doubt if many of the hardline bigots could find their way to a polling station let alone manage to place a X in the box of their choosing.

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 05:13 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 29 2018, 06:09 PM) *
I trust you are not implying that every brexiteer is therefore a racist? I doubt if many of the hardline bigots could find their way to a polling station let alone manage to place a X in the box of their choosing.

Actually, no I'm not. Every racist is a Brexiteer, but not every Brexiteer is a racist.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 05:13 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 29 2018, 06:09 PM) *
I trust you are not implying that every brexiteer is therefore a racist? I doubt if many of the hardline bigots could find their way to a polling station let alone manage to place a X in the box of their choosing.

Actually quite easy, get the most intelligent to follow someone and drop copies of the mail along the route. Sorted!

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 05:14 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 06:06 PM) *
So by this measure, 51% of those who voted are racist? Really? Please tell me more Mr Mitty.

No, but that comment showed you can't read what's written.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 06:14 PM) *
No, but that comment showed you can't read what's written.

So Walter, show me some form of evidence of your, quite frankly outrageous statement.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 06:13 PM) *
Actually, no I'm not. Every racist is a Brexiteer, but not every Brexiteer is a racist.

Like every labour voter is an anti Semite.

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 05:38 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 06:27 PM) *
So Walter, show me some form of evidence of your, quite frankly outrageous statement.

Thereís no one called Walter here. There is a thick **** who canít read though. laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 07:26 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 06:38 PM) *
Thereís no one called Walter here. There is a thick **** who canít read though. laugh.gif

Now now Walter, no need for obscenity.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 29 2018, 07:30 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 03:50 PM) *
Well it's true that every racist is a Brexiteer so you might have something there.


Most muslims are not terrorists, but by far, most terrorists are Muslim.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 29 2018, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 08:26 PM) *
Now now Walter, no need for obscenity.

Leave newres alone. He's a leader of industry. He has a lot of stars of david to print.... I wonder if he retweets holocaust denials like that nice labour councillor? I'd guess he is an Arsenal supporter as well. Those Tottingham boyos wont be his cup of tea.😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 07:50 PM

Poor old Walter!

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 29 2018, 08:30 PM) *
Most muslims are not terrorists, but by far, most terrorists are Muslim.

Depends how you define it. If I lived in Pakistan I’d consider the Americans to be the terrorists. If I lived in the West Bank I’d consider the Israelis to be the terrorists. Don’t get me wrong, I consider the attacks here horrific but for everything there’s a context.

The irony is that in Syria we attack the government, but if Assad falls yet another country will be overrun by fundamentalists. And we attack the Russians for attacking the terrorists. Life would be simpler and safer if we just left the **** alone. And that’s only gonna happen if JC becomes PM. Win, win eh?

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 08:50 PM) *
Poor old Walter!

Poor old thickie with no idea of logic.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 29 2018, 08:10 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 08:55 PM) *
Depends how you define it. If I lived in Pakistan Iíd consider the Americans to be the terrorists. If I lived in the West Bank Iíd consider the Israelis to be the terrorists. Donít get me wrong, I consider the attacks here horrific but for everything thereís a context.

The irony is that in Syria we attack the government, but if Assad falls yet another country will be overrun by fundamentalists. And we attack the Russians for attacking the terrorists. Life would be simpler and safer if we just left the **** alone. And thatís only gonna happen if JC becomes PM. Win, win eh?

With your views perhaps Pakistan is the best place for you. You dont like the UK. That's for certain.

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 08:14 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 29 2018, 09:10 PM) *
With your views perhaps Pakistan is the best place for you. You dont like the UK. That's for certain.

Itís you that doesnít like the UK how it is and wants it changed. I like it.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 08:50 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 08:57 PM) *
Poor old thickie with no idea of logic.

We know you are. Poor Walter.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 08:51 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 09:14 PM) *
Itís you that doesnít like the UK how it is and wants it changed. I like it.

But you want to change it, don't you Walter.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 29 2018, 08:55 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 09:51 PM) *
But you want to change it, don't you Walter.

If Corbyn got in it would change alright. And the next generation would find out...

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 09:51 PM) *
But you want to change it, don't you Walter.

No thickie, I don't.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 09:11 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 09:56 PM) *
No thickie, I don't.

Oh Walter Walter Walter. Of course you do. I know you do, you know you do, everyone knows you do. Just be a big Walter and fess up.

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 29 2018, 09:55 PM) *
If Corbyn got in it would change alright. And the next generation would find out...

As someone who voted for Brexit I find it highly amusing that youíre concerned about the next generation. Corbyn could **** things up for 4 or 5 years, Brexit will cause damage for generations.

What will be interesting is when we start negotiating trade deals during withdrawal. And they are worse than what we have now.

Posted by: newres Mar 29 2018, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 10:11 PM) *
Oh Walter Walter Walter. Of course you do. I know you do, you know you do, everyone knows you do. Just be a big Walter and fess up.

Youíre being thick again. I voted to remain. Status quo. (In this instance not a rock band thickie).

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 10:14 PM) *
Youíre being thick again. I voted to remain. Status quo. (In this instance not a rock band thickie).

Walter old chap, we know what changes you want. You've made it quite clear. How are those yellow triangles going? Are you posting them out yet or are you waiting for instructions from comrade Corbyn?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 29 2018, 09:46 PM

Why's everyone calling the gimp 'walter'? Or should I not be asking?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 29 2018, 10:01 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 29 2018, 10:46 PM) *
Why's everyone calling the gimp 'walter'? Or should I not be asking?

Apparently he is a leader of industry!!! Or Walter Mittty according to JSC. He gives us a bit of light entertainment anyway.😂

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 29 2018, 10:03 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 10:12 PM) *
As someone who voted for Brexit I find it highly amusing that youíre concerned about the next generation. Corbyn could **** things up for 4 or 5 years, Brexit will cause damage for generations.

What will be interesting is when we start negotiating trade deals during withdrawal. And they are worse than what we have now.


What a crock of 💩. You voted brexit??? Do me a favour!!! 😂😂

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 29 2018, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 29 2018, 10:46 PM) *
Why's everyone calling the gimp 'walter'? Or should I not be asking?

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Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 29 2018, 10:59 PM

Got your number.

Posted by: newres Mar 30 2018, 03:11 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 11:59 PM) *
Got your number.

You lot arenít good at accepting another view are you. I think thatís called bigotry. I think Iíll leave you all for a bit, the excitement is clearly getting too much for you all. tongue.gif

Posted by: newres Mar 30 2018, 03:11 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 29 2018, 11:59 PM) *
Got your number.

You lot arenít good at accepting another view are you. I think thatís called bigotry. I think Iíll leave you all for a bit, the excitement is clearly getting too much for you all. tongue.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 30 2018, 03:40 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 30 2018, 04:11 AM) *
You lot arenít good at accepting another view are you. I think thatís called bigotry. I think Iíll leave you all for a bit, the excitement is clearly getting too much for you all. tongue.gif


You could just try answering questions posed instead of running away. But if you dont have answers I suppose you are best off leaving...

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2018, 07:02 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 30 2018, 04:11 AM) *
You lot arenít good at accepting another view are you. I think thatís called bigotry. I think Iíll leave you all for a bit, the excitement is clearly getting too much for you all. tongue.gif

Which, as I've said in the past makes you a bigot.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2018, 07:08 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 29 2018, 11:15 PM) *
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Luv the 'scumbag' hat! Well done!

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 30 2018, 07:36 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 29 2018, 08:55 PM) *
Depends how you define it. If I lived in Pakistan I’d consider the Americans to be the terrorists.

What, the Americans plant devices designed to kill and maim hundreds of innocent civilians?
Or fly civilian planes into public buildings? ohmy.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2018, 07:41 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 30 2018, 04:40 AM) *
You could just try answering questions posed instead of running away. But if you dont have answers I suppose you are best off leaving...

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