Benyon: repeal the hunting act to reduce fox's suffering Options

[On the edge]

How long has it taken you to reach this conclusion ? Anyone who is arrogant enough to stand for election should be prevented doing so on the grounds of questionable mentality .
The "alternative" though is even worse .
1 President May / Corbyn / Other ?
2. King / Queen having absolute power .
3 Military Junta .
4 Angela Merkel .
5. ISIS
6.Me
7.Other.
My problem is not the competence of those who court our support but the sycophantic grovelling of their respective supporters who wrap themselves round the leg of the top table in order to receive a crumb of acknowledgement and so keep them in power .
The Greeks tried democracy and chucked it in the bin after a couple of years because it didn't work . The problem is no one , even after 3,000 years ,has developed a viable alternative .

As someone often says on this Forum, we deserve what we get.

[newres]

Who? Labour? Deffo not.

I genuinely believe Labour would do a better job at the moment. I don't trust them on the economy, in particular their polarised view of employer/employee. Employers bad, employees good, but I reckon even with that, they will do less damage than May will with her Brexit stance. I met a lady of 82 today who's voted Conservative all her life but voted Lib dem last week because of Brexit.

[On the edge]

I genuinely believe Labour would do a better job at the moment. I don't trust them on the economy, in particular their polarised view of employer/employee. Employers bad, employees good, but I reckon even with that, they will do less damage than May will with her Brexit stance. I met a lady of 82 today who's voted Conservative all her life but voted Lib dem last week because of Brexit.

Wouldn't disagree with that. Sadly the Unions are still being somewhat Luddite. The Ger an example where workers actually sit on boards is far better. Ironically, much more socialist because it treats workers as stakeholders rather than simply wage serfs. Maintaining that combative position means arguably the Unions are supporting the repression of the workers.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Hope the good Lord Buckethead gets a candidate to stand in Newbury at the next election.

His manifesto (worth a read) makes far more sense than either of Labours, the Tories or the Lib Dems.

Vote Buckethead!!!

[SirWilliam]

The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system

[TallDarkAndHands...]

The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system

JC or the Messiah as he is also known will actually be a bit worried. His manifesto was written with the knowledge he couldn't win. His next one will have to be written with the mindset that he may win. And that will create problems for him. He's also far happier as the leader of a protest movement. He wouldn't be happy being in charge.

[The Hatter]

The bottom line is that Labour promised the moon and the heavens in the supposed knowledge that they would not be put in a position where they had to deliver so the mathematics did not matter . Unfortunately the great unwashed quite liked Mr Corbyn and his bag of gold and decided to give him a go . This , with not a little help from the student vote , very nearly reaped it's own reward . The fact that paying for it would fall on the shoulders of the same young only reinforced the burning question regarding our whole approach to education .
Now we all know that the shires are full of people who would rather sleep with their Mother than vote anything other than Conservative . So we find ourselves in the curious position of a party with 318 seats is deemed a loser and the one with 260 odd the winner * .
Little doubt the May camp showed all the arrogance of a sword wielding gladiator facing a motley crew of slaves equipped only with running shoes but history has shown that strange things happen and all that is needed is for those who voted LibDem to realise it is a wasted exercise and Jeremy could well be our next PM .
One certainty though , from a subjective stance , is that those very foot shooting gaffs as the dementia tax and removal of the triple lock will never see the light of day . Strange bedfellows are the DUP .


* NB. My reference to the education system

Winning would mean being able to form a government without help. Bet the Conservatives now regret not supporting our LibDem proportional representation.

[blackdog]

Winning would mean being able to form a government without help. Bet the Conservatives now regret not supporting our LibDem proportional representation.

PR would have left them with over 40 fewer seats - so I very much doubt that they regret that decision.

[SirWilliam]

PR would have left them with over 40 fewer seats - so I very much doubt that they regret that decision.

Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

[SirWilliam]

Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

No I don't know either , maybe I meant the SNP ..........Senility is a bugger !!!

[The Hatter]

Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

People didn't want the LibDem coalition and moaned about it. We got a Conservative government with majority and still they moaned about it. We now have a Conservative government without a majority and still the moaning goes on. What do you want a Labour government? I'd like to see a LibDem/Labour/SNP government, it seems like the only real alternative.

[SirWilliam]

People didn't want the LibDem coalition and moaned about it. We got a Conservative government with majority and still they moaned about it. We now have a Conservative government without a majority and still the moaning goes on. What do you want a Labour government? I'd like to see a LibDem/Labour/SNP government, it seems like the only real alternative.

But that only amounts to 309 seats . 9 short of the present incumbents . Which ever way you cut it the Ulster boys hold sway .
Both Conservative and Labour increased their number of votes , mainly at the expense of UKIP , so I very much doubt if the outcome would change if we repeated the wretched process next week .
Like the EU farce the populace will never be happy with the outcome . Like they say " you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time " ...........But you can try .

[On the edge]

Nor the SDP . PR will never be accepted or wanted . Whether it is beneficial to the greater good is open to debate , as are the advantages of having a government with a working majority over a minority administration .
Why they can't pull together for the common good is very frustrating .

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

[The Hatter]

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

A lot of the people I work with feel that way about Labour. One lady who is usually ax staunch LibDem says she thinks if they agree on most things and if they'd had a proper alliance with Labour the result would have been different.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

Yep. Turkey's voting for Christmas.

[SirWilliam]

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories; simply relatives they wish they didn't have. A few years back the foaming mouth brigade had their own party in the basement in the UK. Didn't a certain Mrs May christen the Tories 'the nasty party'?

What goes round comes round. At least Mr Corbyn has demonstrated that real Labour is electable so just give it time.

Tick, tick, tick.....

To say the DUP are Tories is rather like suggesting that Attila the Hun was a Seventh Day Evangelist in drag .( Other religions are , I am reliably informed , available ).
I agree quite a few of the 1922 club would like to follow a more right wing strategy but even they know their limitations .
The crazy part of the whole episode is that a party with 10 MPs can dictate to one with 318 and restrict the views of one with 262 .
That's democracy folks .

[je suis Charlie]

Why indeed!

Nonetheless, lets be really honest about it the DUP are Tories;

Tick, tick, tick.....

Didn't stop Brown having nice long cosy chats with them, did it.

[TallDarkAndHands...]

#forthemanymanymanymanymanymany
#thefewwillleave

Just like France and EVERY country that has tried it. Tax take drops. Country worse off. But hey everyone feels better about it all.😂

Not saying that raising taxes on the rich is wrong. Just that you are going to have to stop them leaving. Border control. Thats the answer.😂

[On the edge]

Didn't stop Brown having nice long cosy chats with them, did it.

Of course it didn't any more than Vincie from the LibDems 'had chats'. That's what coalitions are supposed to be about! Not like Cleggy ones, where you have to put on the same clothes.

Fact; Conservatives are Conservative and Unionist party. Conservatives don't like being reminded about their right wing bed partners any more than Labour, who used to get stroppy when anyone mentions Co-op, but at least they only run shops these days.

I can see what TDH finds do funny now. Its like a live Monty Python.

[On the edge]

#forthemanymanymanymanymanymany
#thefewwillleave

Just like France and EVERY country that has tried it. Tax take drops. Country worse off. But hey everyone feels better about it all.😂

Not saying that raising taxes on the rich is wrong. Just that you are going to have to stop them leaving. Border control. Thats the answer.😂

No, let's hold the door open!

Take you TDH, the ulcers you are going to get from worry will be a drain on the NHS, you aren't going to be convinced, so as the saying has it 'we don't want to loose you but we think you ought to go'. Do it now, before it's too late.