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Richard Garvie
post Jan 9 2011, 03:52 PM
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Talking of changing the subject, you never answered my question, nor did you even attempt it.

QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:30 PM) *
Are you suggesting that the leadership model used should favour a political party?

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post Jan 9 2011, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:49 PM) *
This is what I said, and I have highlighted the answer you wanted. Unfortunately, I am not the leader of the party. As for changing the subject, what is the topic of this thread? Start a new one about the local elections and I'll happily take part.
Right, so if you don't win any seats it's all down to the leader and has nothing to do with you.

Hardly very accountable, are you?

You're rubbish at this Richard. laugh.gif
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Richard Garvie
post Jan 9 2011, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 03:52 PM) *
Right, so if you don't win any seats it's all down to the leader and has nothing to do with you.

Hardly very accountable, are you?

You're rubbish at this Richard. laugh.gif


What makes me accountable if I'm not leading the party?

And why do you believe that the leadership option should favour the conservatives?
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post Jan 9 2011, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:55 PM) *
What makes me accountable if I'm not leading the party?
Only the leader of a party should be accountable?
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post Jan 9 2011, 04:04 PM
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Not at all. But as a candidate to the electorate, if they don't elect me I am already accountable.

Why do you believe the leadership model should favour one political party?
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post Jan 9 2011, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 04:04 PM) *
Not at all. But as a candidate to the electorate, if they don't elect me I am already accountable.
Have you been relieved of your community role for Newbury Labour party?
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Richard Garvie
post Jan 9 2011, 04:09 PM
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Not at all. If the party aren't happy with what I do after the election, the members have every right to deselect me from that role.
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post Jan 9 2011, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 04:09 PM) *
Not at all. If the party aren't happy with what I do after the election, the members have every right to deselect me from that role. If I feel I've not done a good job, I'll happily step down.
What would constitute not doing a very good job?

Perhaps not winning any seats after claiming you've win at least two.
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post Jan 9 2011, 04:29 PM
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What would constitute not doing a very good job?

Perhaps not winning any seats after claiming you've win at least two.


I'm confident we will win a lot more than two. I'd say anything less than what we got last time is a failure.
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post Jan 9 2011, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 04:29 PM) *
I'm confident we will win a lot more than two. I'd say anything less than what we got last time is a failure.
Seeing as you won zero seats last time it might be hard to get less than last time, this time.

Given your prediction of "a lot more than two", I'd say anything less than three is a failure, wouldn't you admit?
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post Jan 9 2011, 04:46 PM
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Depends where you are sitting. The Labour Party will consider our success or failure on the vote share we get. So as you say, will be hard to get less than we did last time!!!
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post Jan 9 2011, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 02:36 PM) *
Typical User23 distorting the facts. It isn't another level, the only difference is that people will elect their ward councillors and also vote on who should be the leader of the council. This is in contrast to a political party nominating one of their own. So the mayor system is more proportional (something the Lib Dems claim to want) and there is more accountability. The coalition government want more elected mayors, Cameron said in Swindon recently that the elected mayor model should be adopted by cities, towns and unitaries. So why the objections from Graham Jones and his mates? Is it because he would have to step down as part time leader or leave his business???

Once again, we have to go along with what the leader of the Conservative Party in West Berkshire wants, not what the public ask for. That's how democracy works here at the moment, and that's why it needs to change.

PS. Like everyone else, I didn't even know about the consultation. You would think political parties would have recieved notification, wouldn't you?


QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 02:23 PM) *
No prizes for guessing who'll be the first to put his name up for mayor.

Typical Labour, trying to introduce a new level of bureaucracy.Why haven't you taken part in any consultations?

Have you joined the Community Panel?

I have never even heard of the Community Panel!!

Several times now I have read on the forum of consultations on different items and it is the first I have heard of them. They are obviously well advertised then? Still like I have stated perhaps it is because the council only consults the people who they know will give the answers they require!!! wink.gif


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post Jan 9 2011, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jan 9 2011, 04:57 PM) *
QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 02:23 PM) *
No prizes for guessing who'll be the first to put his name up for mayor.

Typical Labour, trying to introduce a new level of bureaucracy.Why haven't you taken part in any consultations?

Have you joined the Community Panel?

I have never even heard of the Community Panel!!

Several times now I have read on the forum of consultations on different items and it is the first I have heard of them. They are obviously well advertised then? Still like I have stated perhaps it is because the council only consults the people who they know will give the answers they require!!! wink.gif
If you don't join in how can they get your views?

Go to their website and take a look.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:52 PM) *
Talking of changing the subject, you never answered my question, nor did you even attempt it.

You never answered mine either.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 03:09 PM) *
Electing a mayor would ensure more transparency and more accountability. Once again, any cost implications must lay at the door of Cllr Graham Jones, who with his party fudged the consultation on the leadership options. If the consultation had been open and honest, and the council went with Strong Leader, there would be no argument. The fact is they railroaded through what they wanted, reegardless of public opinion.

A Mayor leadership option would not favour any one political party. The reason for doing it is to improve democracy, and is something all political parties should be looking to achive regardless of what model is used.


I did Dannyboy, I've highlighted the text above. The cost of the mayoral election is a result of the council choosing to fudge the consultation. Had they consulted on the mayor option properly, it may have been ruled out anyway. If it had been adopted, the election would have taken place at the same time as the locals, meaning there would be little to no extra cost at all.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:26 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 05:24 PM) *
I did Dannyboy, I've highlighted the text above. The cost of the mayoral election is a result of the council choosing to fudge the consultation. Had they consulted on the mayor option properly, it may have been ruled out anyway. If it had been adopted, the election would have taken place at the same time as the locals, meaning there would be little to no extra cost at all.
Doesn't make much sense that as a consultation is different to a referendum.

How much will a referendum cost taxpayers is the real question.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Jan 9 2011, 05:24 PM) *
I did Dannyboy, I've highlighted the text above. The cost of the mayoral election is a result of the council choosing to fudge the consultation. Had they consulted on the mayor option properly, it may have been ruled out anyway. If it had been adopted, the election would have taken place at the same time as the locals, meaning there would be little to no extra cost at all.

Not that one.

And you really think wasting money on a Mayorial election will put an end to lurching from one crisis to another?

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post Jan 9 2011, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 05:26 PM) *
Doesn't make much sense that as a consultation is different to a referendum.

How much will a referendum cost taxpayers is the real question.


Had it been a fair consultation, there would be no need for a referendum.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Jan 9 2011, 05:27 PM) *
Not that one.

And you really think wasting money on a Mayorial election will put an end to lurching from one crisis to another?


With the mayor being accountable directly to every individual in West Berkshire, I believe so. It needn't have cost anything, but Graham Jones imposed his personal opinion on everyone.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jan 9 2011, 04:58 PM) *
If you don't join in how can they get your views?

Go to their website and take a look.


Your poor Gran cannot take part in this either then User? wink.gif

Thanks for the tip on the Community Panel I will have a browse.


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