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Simon Kirby
post Feb 22 2011, 12:07 PM
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The Town Council have issued a press-release about my dispute with them. I would be grateful if you would read it and comment.


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Right an injustice - give Simon Kirby his allotment back!
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Andy Capp
post Feb 22 2011, 05:58 PM
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I think the council have issued a statement that somewhat shows the bad faith between you and the council. With the way the notice is written, I find it hard to believe that you couldn't have in some way done something to deserve the vexatious tag.

While you have not been named, it is quite obvious from text that lies within the public domain who it is they are referring to. I would expect better from council officials and feel they have issued the statement with regrettable malice.

QUOTE (PUBLIC STATEMENT Date: 21 February 2011 ALLOTMENT DISPUTE)
There are advantages to self-management in certain circumstances, but the cost savings claimed by this individual are wholly unrealistic, the risk of failure is high, and in fact the vast majority of the Council’s allotment tenants are happy with the traditional method of allotment management currently deployed (as is made clear to the Council through the regular tenants’ meetings and “self-help” associations).

A detailed Self-Management proposal that explains the benefit to Newbury’s residents as well as its allotment tenants would of course be considered, but despite a great deal of rhetoric, no such proposal has been made.

Several things I found interesting in this passage above.

A detailed Self-Management proposal explaining the benefits from Simon Kirkby has not been made, yet they know enough to say that his costs savings are unrealistic.

They say the vast majority are happy with the current set up, but that isn't the same as saying they have made enquiries and self management hasn't proved popular.

It's like as has been posted before, perhaps tax payers should push for self management regardless what either parties feel? Make self management a prerequisite for owning an allotment?
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- Simon Kirby   Allotment Dispute   Feb 22 2011, 12:07 PM
- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 12:07 P...   Feb 22 2011, 12:12 PM
- - NWNREADER   That is a news report. I doubt NTC would quote Si...   Feb 22 2011, 12:17 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 22 2011, 12:17 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 12:36 PM
- - panda   that was a news report from Jan 12th 2010. Over a ...   Feb 22 2011, 12:41 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 12:41 PM) tha...   Feb 22 2011, 12:47 PM
|- - Bofem   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 22 2011, 12:47 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 12:59 PM
|- - Richard Garvie   QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 22 2011, 12:59 PM) Ver...   Feb 22 2011, 01:06 PM
- - panda   Anyone who doesn't pay there rent should be ki...   Feb 22 2011, 01:04 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 01:04 PM) Any...   Feb 22 2011, 01:07 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 01:07 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 01:10 PM
- - Andy Capp   What it does mean is that you have been given ...   Feb 22 2011, 01:06 PM
- - Bofem   They think they're being clever by not naming ...   Feb 22 2011, 01:20 PM
- - panda   looks like simon has one or two people sucked into...   Feb 22 2011, 01:35 PM
- - dannyboy   If there was a grass roots (ho ho) campaign of all...   Feb 22 2011, 01:38 PM
|- - Bofem   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 01:38 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 01:53 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 22 2011, 01:53 PM) And...   Feb 22 2011, 01:57 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 22 2011, 01:53 PM) And...   Feb 22 2011, 01:57 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 01:57 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 01:58 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 01:58 PM) the...   Feb 22 2011, 02:01 PM
|- - Rosewinelover   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 02:01 PM) and...   Feb 22 2011, 02:05 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 22 2011, 02:05...   Feb 22 2011, 02:07 PM
||- - Rosewinelover   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 02:07 PM) Jus...   Feb 22 2011, 02:09 PM
|||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 22 2011, 02:09...   Feb 22 2011, 02:14 PM
||- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 02:07 PM) Jus...   Feb 22 2011, 04:47 PM
||- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 04:47 P...   Feb 22 2011, 05:13 PM
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||- - panda   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 04:47 P...   Feb 22 2011, 05:16 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 22 2011, 02:05...   Feb 22 2011, 02:08 PM
|- - Rosewinelover   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 02:08 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 02:12 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 22 2011, 02:12...   Feb 22 2011, 02:13 PM
- - massifheed   Well, whatever happens, they appear to have given ...   Feb 22 2011, 01:59 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (massifheed @ Feb 22 2011, 01:59 PM...   Feb 22 2011, 04:43 PM
- - Darren   QUOTE The individual continues to be classified as...   Feb 22 2011, 02:17 PM
- - NWNREADER   I know a 'Vexatious Litigant' is someone w...   Feb 22 2011, 03:07 PM
- - Strafin   It strikes me that this statement shows that Simon...   Feb 22 2011, 05:15 PM
- - ebalch   I don't have any involvement in the dispute or...   Feb 22 2011, 05:26 PM
- - Cognosco   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 12:07 P...   Feb 22 2011, 05:44 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Cognosco @ Feb 22 2011, 05:44 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 05:53 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 05:53 P...   Feb 22 2011, 08:42 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 08:42 PM) why...   Feb 22 2011, 08:45 PM
||- - panda   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 22 2011, 08:45 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 09:07 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 08:42 PM) why...   Feb 22 2011, 10:02 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 10:02 PM) sti...   Feb 22 2011, 10:16 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 10:02 PM) sti...   Feb 22 2011, 10:34 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 10:34 P...   Feb 22 2011, 10:38 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 10:38 PM) whi...   Feb 22 2011, 10:41 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 10:41 P...   Feb 22 2011, 10:56 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 10:56 PM) I a...   Feb 22 2011, 10:57 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 10:57 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 11:03 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 11:03 PM) I j...   Feb 22 2011, 11:07 PM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 11:07 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 11:27 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 11:27 PM) so ...   Feb 22 2011, 11:34 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 22 2011, 11:27 PM) so ...   Feb 22 2011, 11:42 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 05:58 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 06:45 PM
- - Andy Capp   I think it stands out clearly that the council app...   Feb 22 2011, 06:51 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 06:51 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 07:00 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:00 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 07:07 PM
||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 07:07 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 07:12 PM
||- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:12 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 07:15 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:00 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 07:18 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:00 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 07:26 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Cognosco @ Feb 22 2011, 07:26 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 07:36 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:36 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 07:44 PM
||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 07:44 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 07:52 PM
||- - Iommi   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:52 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 08:19 PM
||- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Iommi @ Feb 22 2011, 08:19 PM) So ...   Feb 22 2011, 08:51 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:36 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 09:15 PM
- - Andy Capp   What it looks like to me is that the council are c...   Feb 22 2011, 07:03 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 07:03 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 07:04 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (dannyboy @ Feb 22 2011, 07:04 PM) ...   Feb 22 2011, 07:10 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 07:10 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 07:15 PM
- - dannyboy   You need to get more support then at grass roots. ...   Feb 22 2011, 07:24 PM
- - Andy Capp   Or at very least it should be debated in some form...   Feb 22 2011, 08:22 PM
- - Iommi   Perhaps we need some old and frail people on allot...   Feb 22 2011, 08:23 PM
- - Simon Kirby   My friend has mailed this, I thought you might be ...   Feb 22 2011, 09:09 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 22 2011, 09:09 P...   Feb 22 2011, 09:39 PM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 22 2011, 09:39 PM)...   Feb 22 2011, 10:23 PM
- - Biker1   I know you can put people on "ignore" - ...   Feb 22 2011, 10:36 PM
|- - Iommi   QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 22 2011, 10:36 PM) I ...   Feb 22 2011, 10:42 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Iommi @ Feb 22 2011, 10:42 PM) cap...   Feb 22 2011, 10:48 PM
- - Iommi   Lookout, the resident clown's about!   Feb 22 2011, 10:45 PM
- - Bofem   Back to the original point Simon's shoddy tr...   Feb 23 2011, 12:10 AM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (Bofem @ Feb 23 2011, 12:10 AM) Bac...   Feb 23 2011, 08:24 AM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 23 2011, 08:24 A...   Feb 23 2011, 10:31 AM
- - dannyboy   Anarchy!   Feb 23 2011, 12:10 AM
- - panda   maybe you should all get out more   Feb 23 2011, 12:14 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 23 2011, 12:14 AM) may...   Feb 23 2011, 12:43 AM
|- - Rosewinelover   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 23 2011, 12:14 AM) may...   Feb 23 2011, 10:13 AM
|- - panda   QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Feb 23 2011, 10:13...   Feb 23 2011, 12:10 PM
|- - Bloggo   QUOTE (panda @ Feb 23 2011, 12:10 PM) I w...   Feb 23 2011, 12:32 PM
- - the bloke on the street   well, I've tried to add 2 posts to this thread...   Feb 23 2011, 10:36 AM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (the bloke on the street @ Feb 23 2011,...   Feb 23 2011, 10:39 AM
- - the bloke on the street   I have enquired of NTC whether they would consider...   Feb 23 2011, 10:39 AM
- - Richard Garvie   NTC say they would consider it, but a fully costed...   Feb 23 2011, 11:06 AM
- - dannyboy   and there would also have to be support from the a...   Feb 23 2011, 11:17 AM
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