Dodgy Dave, Don't most people get sacked for back handers? Options

[Adrian Hollister]

In the news is Dodgy Dave who seems to be accepting back handers for access to him and his policies; so I think the government must declare all lobbying activities, any political funds associated and any personal funds that MP's may benefit from. This is something that I've asked Benyon about, but as usual I got the 'no real answer' letter back discussing the weather and how nice and thick parliamentary paper is .

I've also wondered why NWN never cover things like this? Dealing with corruption effects us all, so perhaps they are a little too caution to cover sensitive issues for those in 'power'.

So what do you lot think? Should we just allow the corruption to continue; or do we need reform?

[Squelchy]

Cameron dealt with the problem immediately

I agree he was slow

*sigh*

If Labour were to win a general election tomorrow, then not only would we have a governing party funded by unions, but also the fact that they would have chosen our Prime Minister as well!

Labour leaders are voted for by party members, affiliated organisations, Labour M.P's and affiliated Trade Unions. As a union member you even have the right to opt-out of the political fund if you want. Seems far more democratic than the way Tory leaders just seem to emerge.

I haven't voted for the Tories for at least 20 years... I do accept that humour passes some people by.

Cheer up, there are those who find the idea of voting for U.K.I.P quite comical. You continue to entertain.

[GMR]

*sigh*

Actually I meant he acted quickly were the offender was concerned, but releasing the names of those that had dinner with him he was slow.

Labour leaders are voted for by party members, affiliated organisations, Labour M.P's and affiliated Trade Unions. As a union member you even have the right to opt-out of the political fund if you want. Seems far more democratic than the way Tory leaders just seem to emerge.

Yes, but it was the Unions that tiped the leadership in his favour otherwise his brother would have won.

Cheer up, there are those who find the idea of voting for U.K.I.P quite comical. You continue to entertain.

I am cheered up thanks, however you seem to need a life if a few words on this forum entertains you. But then I suppose this forum serves some peoples needs (and life); so on that note I am glad I've done something to cheer up a dull existence.

[Andy Capp]

Actually I meant he acted quickly were the offender was concerned, but releasing the names of those that had dinner with him he was slow.

Which are the actions of a slippery character.

[GMR]

Which are the actions of a slippery character.

You say "slippery character" but I think it is unfair to single out Cameron when they are all the same; just look at Blair and Brown. Both far worse than Dave.

Another point. He didn't have to release anything as it was a private dinner that wasn't funded by the government/ tax payer. How could you call Cameron a slippery character when the others haven't released their private dinner engagements? I think this is more of a case of Tory bashing and being biased. If your comments were directed at all parties then I would say a fair point but your comments are directed as the Tories/ Cameron.

[Andy Capp]

You say "slippery character" but I think it is unfair to single out Cameron when they are all the same; just look at Blair and Brown. Both far worse than Dave.

Another point. He didn't have to release anything as it was a private dinner that wasn't funded by the government/ tax payer. How could you call Cameron a slippery character when the others haven't released their private dinner engagements?

Fred West not being the only murderer ever, doesn't stop him being a murderer, nor does it excuse him.

I think this is more of a case of Tory bashing and being biased. If your comments were directed at all parties then I would say a fair point but your comments are directed as the Tories/ Cameron.

My comments are directed at the prime minister. The lying Tory 'new sort of politics and no top down reorganised NHS' has been found out.

[GMR]

Fred West not being the only murderer ever, doesn't stop him being a murderer, nor does it excuse him.

True, but we were only talking about a dinner party here, not lobbying.

My comments are directed at the prime minister. The lying Tory 'new sort of politics and no top down reorganised NHS' has been found out.

That depends how you define lying? Also the NHS; depending on who you talk to depends on whether they agree on the changes or not. Many of the experts have said that the NHS will be made better.

[Andy Capp]

True, but we were only talking about a dinner party here, not lobbying.

Only a dinner party.

That depends how you define lying? Also the NHS; depending on who you talk to depends on whether they agree on the changes or not. Many of the experts have said that the NHS will be made better.

He announced no top down re-org of the NHS, but that is what we have.

[GMR]

Only a dinner party.

You've got it!

He announced no top down re-org of the NHS, but that is what we have.

As the Tories couldn't win the election on their own the Manifesto's had to be renegotiated; for those that want PR then expect more such deals that aren't in the manifesto's.

[Andy Capp]

As the Tories couldn't win the election on their own the Manifesto's had to be renegotiated; for those that want PR then expect more such deals that aren't in the manifesto's.

That doesn't make sense. 'NHS top down reform' was in no manifesto. There's no mandate for it.

[GMR]

That doesn't make sense. 'NHS top down reform' was in no manifesto. There's no mandate for it.

Actually it does.


Manifesto's give you a broad outline but that doesn't mean they can't add additional policies when in Government. All governments do this.