Travellers site appeal could hit taxpayers’ pocket Options

[motormad]

I'll wee in a bush if I had to?

[Biker1]

This country has always claimed that it is a tolerant one, and one that respects the cultures and traditions of others.

As long as they are legal and are not detrimental to our way of life.
There is a limit to tolerance.

Gypsy/Roma and other Travellers have been part of this society for more than a millennium in one form or another, have contributed to the economic prosperity of tis country,

Unless you want a cheap job on your drive!! (and not a word to the tax man!)

but alas still they suffer the indignity of blatant discrimination, and this case exemplifies this.

They have only themselves to blame.
Take the blinkers off Ruwan!!

[motormad]

^ agree me old motorcycling chum.

[Nothing Much]

The groups in the UK are supported by fervent human rights activists,although Vanessa Redgrave didn't stay long at Dale Farm.
The UK seems to have got plagued with folk who were kicked out of Eire under threat of having their caravans crushed.
The idea of loose bands of hoodlums freely moving around society is not good.
So I agree that they are not beneficial as a group to the society from which they demand much.
A group that acts in the same way on the lines of education and marriage as the Taliban.

I looked up NTCs website for planning information. I turned to Complaints first and oh boy
apart from vexatious litigants, the page spells complaints without an L. Now call me picky,
but shouldn't that be grounds for compaint?
ce

[Exhausted]

Gypsy/Roma and other Travellers have been part of this society for more than a millennium in one form or another, have contributed to the economic prosperity of this country......

I would be interested to know how this contribution has been made. Could you offer a couple of instances. Believable ones though, not including the amount of recycling they do in terms of scrap metal.

If developers are allowed to build huge estates without consideration for schools, GP surgeries and other facilities what on earth is wrong with one person building a hard stand for his home on land that he already owns, and which will cause no genuine inconvenience to anyone?

You are obviously unaware of the S106 payments that developers have to make when planning permission for a development is granted. As a NTC councillor, ask one of your councilors that serve in a dual role with WBC if you are unsure. Your post on the subject does seem to be a bit lacy just so that you can push the old chestnut about integration. My view on the multicultural society is that within that society, we have a proportion of individuals who are taking far more from society than they give and generally, the travellers fit that description.

[Nothing Much]

Perish the thought that this is the same Boysie Biddle mentioned in the NWN article
posted by Andy Capp. (OP)

http://www.lccsa.org.uk/news.asp?ItemID=59...amp;archive=yes

Time for a singalong... "We're all familyeee" and we all pay tax on our non earnings.
ce

[NWNREADER]

Perish the thought that this is the same Boysie Biddle mentioned in the NWN article
posted by Andy Capp. (OP)

http://www.lccsa.org.uk/news.asp?ItemID=59...amp;archive=yes

Time for a singalong... "We're all familyeee" and we all pay tax on our non earnings.
ce

Very judgemental. After all, it is a common name......

[HJD]

Very judgemental. After all, it is a common name......

Of course it is & also don't forget the following :-

Green Planning Solutions will argue, among other things, that Mr Biddle’s human rights have been breached.

[NWNREADER]

I wonder if he is related?

[JeffG]

Thanks for that interesting link, ce. Sort of puts a different light on things, doesn't it?

[Nothing Much]

I wonder if he is related?
Is that a Widdle Woddewick?
ce.

It has to be scary being so totally vilified JeffG,
knowing that the only folk who like you are your cousins/and or wife...

[motormad]

Perish the thought that this is the same Boysie Biddle mentioned in the NWN article
posted by Andy Capp. (OP)

http://www.lccsa.org.uk/news.asp?ItemID=59...amp;archive=yes

Time for a singalong... "We're all familyeee" and we all pay tax on our non earnings.
ce

Very interesting...

I'm going to live in a Caravan and save £8200 a year on my tax bill!

[JeffG]

It has to be scary being so totally vilified JeffG,

Did I actually say anything against travellers?

[Ruwan Uduwerage-...]

You are obviously unaware of the S106 payments that developers have to make when planning permission for a development is granted.

This is a private individual wishing to accommodate merely his own family, nothing more.

[motormad]

A family consisting of a few hundred?

[JeffG]

This is a private individual wishing to accommodate merely his own family, nothing more.

But did you read his family history? Would you want him living near you?

[Nothing Much]

No JeffG, my own embellishment. Apologies.

And another thing..... dawn raids yesterday on addresses across the country and N.I. have led to 19 arrests
for organised thefts from museums over a few months last year. 8 have already been convicted and imprisoned.

Sure, judgementalism comes into my reading of the news item.

There is even a VW chat forum based in Market Harborough where the Biddles originated.
I am not encouraging motormad but it is quite funny
ce.

[MontyPython]

....

As for the role of a Councillor or any other elected member their job is to represent the views of their constituents, not necessarily agree with them, and if I am informed by the Ward residents that they have an issue, I naturally take serious note and do what I can to resolve the problems, but I will not act in an illiberal and inhuman manner in order to gain the electorates support.

...

Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera
Victoria Ward - Councillor

So are you saying if the Victoria Ward electorate were against this pitch you would vote against it (were it in NTC's power) or that you would vote for what you thought was right?

[Exhausted]

This is a private individual wishing to accommodate merely his own family, nothing more.

I wasn't commenting on the rights or wrongs of this person's application.
You said

If developers are allowed to build huge estates without consideration for schools, GP surgeries and other facilities ......

My point to you was that you are suggesting that because developers don't consider schools etc then the guy should be allowed to do what he wants and I am saying to you that is a false premise and therefore as a councillor you should not be drawing that incorrect comparison. Developers contribute big time to WBC's S106 requirement.
As a 'for instance', there is a proposal and planning application from David Wilson Homes to develop the old Travis Perkins site in Mill Lane.
The application covers 37 homes and some commercial units. Not very big but this is what WBC and others are asking for in S106 payments from the developer..

Affordable Housing—11 units out of 37 proposed
Highways –s278 works £1,500
Public open space--£13,261.
Adult Social Care--£22,437
Libraries --£7,080
Education--£68,070.
Waste—£1648
Public rights of way--£5,000
Thames Valley Police—£5850
Fire and Rescue--£619

Does that clarify the position for you.

And by the way, this isn't an individual trying to accommodate his family and nothing else. He is looking to set up a caravan pitch. Perhaps he has an extended family but this I doubt.

[NWNREADER]

The history of planning grief is well populated with examples of apparently innocuous applications that turn out/develop into something totally different to the initial proposals......