Alternative Policing Options

[GMR]

Hug a hoodie!!

[Hugh Saskin]

at least it will punish them severally for what they’ve done.

What does that mean, please - are they all to be brushed by buses in Northbrook St, with nobody there (except you) to witness it ?

[Biker1]

Better community policing.For all crimes or would you be selective?

There has to be a deterrent to crime so I would say all.

Can you suggest some that may require more leniency?

All are lenient already in my opinion.

Some are let out early to avoid overcrowding.
I could murder a close relative of yours and be out within 15 years or possibly less.
(That's an example not a threat!)

Many commit crime knowing that even if they are caught they will not be punished.

Surely you must agree that to every crime there must be a punishment / deterrent?

[Iommi]

Surely you must agree that to every crime there must be a punishment / deterrent?

For a deterrent to work, you have to increase the chances of getting caught.

[Biker1]

For a deterrent to work, you have to increase the chances of getting caught.

Good point - I agree, the two have to work together.

[user23]

And you reckon that will help? Sorry I don’t agree. Only tougher sentencing will deter people from committing crime. If you say “no it won’t” then my answer to that would be; at least it will punish them severally for what they’ve done. Bugger it as a deterrent then!

This only deals with the effects it won't stop the causes. We'd be paying through the nose to lock people up in universities of crime for relativity minor offences, thus creating a whole new criminal underclass in society.

[GMR]

This only deals with the effects it won't stop the causes. We'd be paying through the nose to lock people up in universities of crime for relativity minor offences, thus creating a whole new criminal underclass in society.

OK, I'll go with that for now. How do we stop the causes?


By the way; who said anything about locking people up for minor crime? I didn't. I do accept that people have been locked up for certain crimes where I wouldn't have locked them up.

[Strafin]

Tougher policing, in time, breeds tougher criminals. Just look at America where in some situations they shoot first and ask questions later. Almost all criminals, even those involved in petty crime are armed. Criminals react in kind to the force exerted on them.

This is not what we want in this country, is it?

The gun issue in America goes back a long, long way and the fact that criminals are often armed isn't necessarily because the police are armed.

[GMR]

The gun issue in America goes back a long, long way and the fact that criminals are often armed isn't necessarily because the police are armed.

Our police are not armed but a lot of our criminals are, including gangs, kids etc.

[user23]

By the way; who said anything about locking people up for minor crime? I didn't. I do accept that people have been locked up for certain crimes where I wouldn't have locked them up.

Surely if we're getting tough on crime have to get tough on all crime.

You seem in favour of locking or restricting the movement of some elements of society.

Would you be in favour of locking those up caught speeding for example?

Our police are not armed but a lot of our criminals are, including gangs, kids etc.

I don't think this is true of Newbury

[Biker1]

I don't think this is true of Newbury

Yes it is.

[user23]

Yes it is.

You think a lot of criminals are Newbury are armed?

What percentage have guns, 70%, 80%?

[Biker1]

I know a lot have knives. (the quote was "armed")

I have first hand experience of this in the job I do.

I'll say no more.

[GMR]

Surely if we're getting tough on crime have to get tough on all crime.

No, I disagree.

You seem in favour of locking or restricting the movement of some elements of society.

Yes

Would you be in favour of locking those up caught speeding for example?

No

I don't think this is true of Newbury

Recently a gun was found dumped in Newbury. Also; talking to a police officer awhile back I was told that an element do have weapons in Newbury. What those weapons were he didn’t actually say.

[user23]

A lot have knives. (the quote was "armed")

I think it was fairly obvious we were talking about guns. Do most criminals in Newbury have guns, yes or no?

Recently a gun was found dumped in Newbury. Also; talking to a police officer awhile back I was told that an element do have weapons in Newbury. What those weapons were he didn’t actually say.

One gun, is that is?

Speeding is anti-social and is far more likely to result in a death, why wouldn't you lock up them up?

This is the problem when you start to pull apart the arguments of those who say we should get tough on crime. At some point in the debate they always say "well, I didn't mean get tough on THAT sort of crime, on THOSE sort of people." and their double standards are exposed.

If you're going to get tough on crime you need to get tough on all crime. Remember, justice supposed to be blind.

[Darren]

"Shirley is hardly a hotbed of crime"
Yes it is, it has a red light district and everything!

Really? Wow, you learn something new every day.

[Biker1]

I think it was fairly obvious we were talking about guns. Do most criminals in Newbury have guns, yes or no?One gun, is that is?

OK most - no. but more than you would think probably have. Anyway what is this obsession with guns?

Speeding is anti-social and is far more likely to result in a death, why wouldn't you lock up them up?

They are if they go fast enough or are persistent offenders.

Speeders are already targetted more than most violent armed criminals.

[user23]

They are if they go fast enough or are persistent offenders.

Speeders are already targetted more than most violent armed criminals.

Shouldn't we be getting tough on all offenders though, if we're going to crack down on criminals?

What sort of message does getting tough on offenders that we can't empathise with send out?

[Biker1]

What sort of message does getting tough on offenders that we can't empathise with send out?

Huh?

[Iommi]

Shouldn't we be getting tough on all offenders though, if we're going to crack down on criminals? What sort of message does getting tough on offenders that we can't empathise with send out?

Huh?

Yes, I'm struggling with that one as well; care to elucidate user23?