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newres
post May 8 2019, 04:14 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 7 2019, 11:24 PM) *
Quite. When you refuse to accept election results in "democratic" countries you can't really moan when Erdogan does the same...oh wait.. Verhoftwats can...😂😂😂


https://mobile.twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...510836225748992

Been received well by the comments....🤣🤣🤣

The treaty was renegotiated and the second referendum was 70:30. That’s democracy in action.

In the UK the promises have proven undeliverable. To honour the vote without going back to the people is unfemocratic and stupid. It panders to those threatening unrest.
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post May 8 2019, 08:28 AM
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"Juncker: I should have intervened in Brexit referendum"

Yeah right, because we really needed that! ****!
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post May 8 2019, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 8 2019, 09:28 AM) *
"Juncker: I should have intervened in Brexit referendum"

Yeah right, because we really needed that! ****!

Just going back to Ireland though which you brought up. Is there anything wrong with how it turned out?
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post May 8 2019, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 8 2019, 09:28 AM) *
"Juncker: I should have intervened in Brexit referendum"

Yeah right, because we really needed that! ****!


He is right to be worried...his gravy train is going to be derailed...
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post May 8 2019, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 8 2019, 05:14 AM) *
The treaty was renegotiated and the second referendum was 70:30. That’s democracy in action.

In the UK the promises have proven undeliverable. To honour the vote without going back to the people is unfemocratic and stupid. It panders to those threatening unrest.

Umm, democracy in action huh, so what's 'democratic' about trying to overturn the result of a national referendum because you don't like the result?
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post May 8 2019, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 8 2019, 06:49 PM) *
Umm, democracy in action huh, so what's 'democratic' about trying to overturn the result of a national referendum because you don't like the result?


Can't really complain about dictatorships... can we?
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post May 8 2019, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 8 2019, 06:49 PM) *
Umm, democracy in action huh, so what's 'democratic' about trying to overturn the result of a national referendum because you don't like the result?

What’s undemocratic about a result based upon the premise of a fantastic deal that fails to be delivered being reassessed if there’s evidence that the people have changed their mind?

In the absence of a deal between May and Corbyn, there surely will have to be a vote of some kind.
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post May 8 2019, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 8 2019, 08:01 PM) *
What’s undemocratic about a result based upon the premise of a fantastic deal that fails to be delivered being reassessed if there’s evidence that the people have changed their mind?

In the absence of a deal between May and Corbyn, there surely will have to be a vote of some kind.


Because you seem to "believe" that brexiteers were some sort of mushroom and that they were kept in the dark... they were not.. as you will soon find out....after all you have had 3 year's telling us how bl00dy awful it will be when we leave... and people will still vote to leave. You just don't get "it" I am afraid. Which makes you a bit
.. "thick"...🤣🤣🤣
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post May 8 2019, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 8 2019, 05:14 AM) *
The treaty was renegotiated and the second referendum was 70:30. That’s democracy in action.

In the UK the promises have proven undeliverable. To honour the vote without going back to the people is unfemocratic and stupid. It panders to those threatening unrest.

I have recently felt that the biggest weapon we had was treacherously removed when they voted to take no deal off the table, that affectively kept us in some form of union.
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post May 8 2019, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2019, 11:18 PM) *
I have recently felt that the biggest weapon we had was treacherously removed when they voted to take no deal off the table, that affectively kept us in some form of union.

Of course it was, you can't win at poker if they won't let you play the ace.
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post May 9 2019, 04:37 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 8 2019, 11:18 PM) *
I have recently felt that the biggest weapon we had was treacherously removed when they voted to take no deal off the table, that affectively kept us in some form of union.

The public didn’t vote for “no deal”. Find a single instance of a Leave campaigner that said we’d leave with no access to the single market or we’d remove frictionless trade. Find a single instance of a Leave leader saying we’d be worse off.
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post May 9 2019, 05:03 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 9 2019, 05:37 AM) *
The public didn’t vote for “no deal”. Find a single instance of a Leave campaigner that said we’d leave with no access to the single market or we’d remove frictionless trade. Find a single instance of a Leave leader saying we’d be worse off.

More people voted to leave than stay, so for parliament to remove one of the government’s main bargaining tools was an act of sabotage from an overwhelmingly remain organisation.
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post May 9 2019, 06:12 AM
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1124212/B...hofstadt-Turkey
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post May 9 2019, 06:15 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 9 2019, 06:03 AM) *
More people voted to leave than stay, so for parliament to remove one of the government’s main bargaining tools was an act of sabotage from an overwhelmingly remain organisation.

And really, it's that simple. You can't 'negotiate' anything with your hands tied behind your back.
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post May 9 2019, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 9 2019, 06:03 AM) *
More people voted to leave than stay, so for parliament to remove one of the government’s main bargaining tools was an act of sabotage from an overwhelmingly remain organisation.

It's only been removed recently. The negotiations have been going on for 3 years. No sensible government is going to walk away without an agreement.
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post May 9 2019, 10:16 AM
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BUT THAT'S THE POINT! It's the threat of walking away without a deal the allows you to negotiate a better deal! What's so difficult to understand? We need a few more poker players in government!
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post May 9 2019, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 9 2019, 11:16 AM) *
BUT THAT'S THE POINT! It's the threat of walking away without a deal the allows you to negotiate a better deal! What's so difficult to understand? We need a few more poker players in government!

But it was only taken away after Parliament failed to pass the deal negotiated. In order to prevent a catastrophe. Throughout the negotiations no deal was the default position and was the stated position throughout.

People just need to accept that the EU was always going to act in the best interests of the EU. Conceding all the benefits of membership to non members is not in their interest and Cameron warned of this bet was contradicted by the Leave camp. It transpires that Cameron was correct and that’s why we should vote again. We aren’t getting what people voted for. Absolutely no one voted for no deal because according to Remain we’d be leaving with a great deal.
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post May 9 2019, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 9 2019, 07:12 AM) *

Referendums aren't elections though. They are just opinion polls. So whilst our government said they would enact the result, they were under no legal obligation to.
That's the difference.
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post May 9 2019, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ May 9 2019, 02:09 PM) *
Referendums aren't elections though. They are just opinion polls. So whilst our government said they would enact the result, they were under no legal obligation to.
That's the difference.

Guess that's ok then.🤡
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post May 9 2019, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ May 9 2019, 02:09 PM) *
Referendums aren't elections though. They are just opinion polls. So whilst our government said they would enact the result, they were under no legal obligation to.
That's the difference.

Quite right, but it was always promulgated as being 'the country decides' and they did. However there are now calls to say that if we have a second referendum it will have the status of legality. Sort of changing the rules as they go along.
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