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post Oct 23 2018, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE (Andy1 @ Oct 23 2018, 09:28 PM) *
It's where someone believes in the culture and customs of Catholicism but not the existence of God. It's fair enough. I'd suggest that a lot of Atheists would choose to follow the customs of a particular religeon without believing in a God.

you mean a religion based on the premise of the Holy Trinity and embracing Jesus as the son of God?


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post Oct 24 2018, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 23 2018, 06:58 PM) *
OK, lets examine this, you say 'these days' Did you during your literature course never come into contact with the works of P G Wodehouse? How about Nabakov? surely you read Nabakov? How about Kingsley Amis? or Susan Sontag? Ever read any of Einstein's papers? Because if you had you would know that these greats of literature have, along with many others all used this structural device.

Doesn't sound like you paid much attention in class, surely you used Fowler's usage and grammar guide during your time studying? Because Fowler says it's OK. Or, just maybe you got a degree in bull**** from the Walter school of bull****?

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post Oct 24 2018, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 23 2018, 10:52 PM) *
you mean a religion based on the premise of the Holy Trinity and embracing Jesus as the son of God?


Nope
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post Oct 24 2018, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 23 2018, 06:58 PM) *
OK, lets examine this, you say 'these days' Did you during your literature course never come into contact with the works of P G Wodehouse? How about Nabakov? surely you read Nabakov? How about Kingsley Amis? or Susan Sontag? Ever read any of Einstein's papers? Because if you had you would know that these greats of literature have, along with many others all used this structural device.

Doesn't sound like you paid much attention in class, surely you used Fowler's usage and grammar guide during your time studying? Because Fowler says it's OK. Or, just maybe you got a degree in bull**** from the Walter school of bull****?

I frequently start sentences with and myself so Iíve no problem with it. No I never used Fowlerís usage guide. Iíve never heard of it actually. I studied literature not grammar. Iíve never read Nabakov or Sontag but Iíve read some Kingsley (and Martin) Anis and PG Wodehouse. Iíve no need to make things up or to go Googling to try to make myself look clever. wink.gif
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post Oct 24 2018, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 24 2018, 05:31 PM) *
I frequently start sentences with and myself so Iíve no problem with it.

if you have no problem with it then why post this?

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Oh dear. Starting a sentence with and.


Oh and I think that an understanding of English is fairly central to a literature degree 'these days'. Never heard of Fowlers! Good God, you really are bringing a knife to a gunfight aren't you.


"Iíve no need to make things up" you say, Boy, thats all you ever do Walter, all you ever do.


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post Oct 24 2018, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 24 2018, 07:16 PM) *
if you have no problem with it then why post this?



Oh and I think that an understanding of English is fairly central to a literature degree 'these days'. Never heard of Fowlers! Good God, you really are bringing a knife to a gunfight aren't you.


"Iíve no need to make things up" you say, Boy, thats all you ever do Walter, all you ever do.

Pretty much spot on I would say. laugh.gif


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post Oct 24 2018, 07:34 PM
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Arguably asking if Newres has read those 'authors' is really like asking a student of modern warfare why they didn't concentrate on the War of Jenkins Ear, or the Russio Japanese War.


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post Oct 24 2018, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 24 2018, 08:34 PM) *
Arguably asking if Newres has read those 'authors' is really like asking a student of modern warfare why they didn't concentrate on the War of Jenkins Ear, or the Russio Japanese War.

Arguably yes, however I would contend that great literature transcends the bounds of time and is therefor as important today to literature as it was fifty years ago. Your argument would have us believe that William Shakespeare is an irrelevancy.

As for military studies? well, the Russo Japanese war is of intense interest to all scholars, the first war in modern times when an Asian power defeated a western or European power? Incredibly important. One of the first things any student of war will be given to study is 'The Art Of War' By Sun Tzu, as relevant today as it was then. And I can also tell you that the first things drummed into you as a pilot are, Altitude is King, beware the enemy in the sun and never fly in a straight line. All lessons learn't in WW1. Why? because battlefields change, weapons change but tactics never change.


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post Oct 25 2018, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 25 2018, 12:57 AM) *
Arguably yes, however I would contend that great literature transcends the bounds of time and is therefor as important today to literature as it was fifty years ago. Your argument would have us believe that William Shakespeare is an irrelevancy.

As for military studies? well, the Russo Japanese war is of intense interest to all scholars, the first war in modern times when an Asian power defeated a western or European power? Incredibly important. One of the first things any student of war will be given to study is 'The Art Of War' By Sun Tzu, as relevant today as it was then. And I can also tell you that the first things drummed into you as a pilot are, Altitude is King, beware the enemy in the sun and never fly in a straight line. All lessons learn't in WW1. Why? because battlefields change, weapons change but tactics never change.



I would suggest this defeats your arguments; the writings haven't stood the test of time! As you say later, some books remain quite relevant, but thankfully our curriculum isn't ossified and alters. Mind, even when they were current, the authors mentioned weren't considered writers of the first rank; save amongst their followers. Not quite sure what Military Schools you are referring to, but one recent graduate from Sandhurst of my acquaintance knows about Sun Tzu but it wasn't compulsory study, good though it may be.


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post Oct 25 2018, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 24 2018, 07:16 PM) *
if you have no problem with it then why post this?



Oh and I think that an understanding of English is fairly central to a literature degree 'these days'. Never heard of Fowlers! Good God, you really are bringing a knife to a gunfight aren't you.


"Iíve no need to make things up" you say, Boy, thats all you ever do Walter, all you ever do.

No apostrophe? tongue.gif
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post Oct 25 2018, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Oct 25 2018, 12:57 AM) *
Arguably yes, however I would contend that great literature transcends the bounds of time and is therefor as important today to literature as it was fifty years ago. Your argument would have us believe that William Shakespeare is an irrelevancy.

As for military studies? well, the Russo Japanese war is of intense interest to all scholars, the first war in modern times when an Asian power defeated a western or European power? Incredibly important. One of the first things any student of war will be given to study is 'The Art Of War' By Sun Tzu, as relevant today as it was then. And I can also tell you that the first things drummed into you as a pilot are, Altitude is King, beware the enemy in the sun and never fly in a straight line. All lessons learn't in WW1. Why? because battlefields change, weapons change but tactics never change.

Youíre actually being ridiculous. There are thousands of authors and millions of books. I canít possibly have read them all. Iíve read most Dickens, the main Trollopeís, literally hundreds and hundreds of novels of most genres.
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post Oct 25 2018, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 25 2018, 09:06 AM) *
Youíre actually being ridiculous. There are thousands of authors and millions of books. I canít possibly have read them all. Iíve read most Dickens, the main Trollopeís, literally hundreds and hundreds of novels of most genres.

Of course you have. You are the most intelligent man on the planet Walter. That's planet Newres.
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post Oct 25 2018, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Oct 25 2018, 01:36 PM) *
Of course you have. You are the most intelligent man on the planet Walter. That's planet Newres.

Cheers Tommeh fanboy.
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post Oct 25 2018, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 25 2018, 02:02 PM) *
Cheers Tommeh fanboy.

Are you quoting Chaucer? Seems an odd language.
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post Oct 25 2018, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 25 2018, 09:06 AM) *
I've read literally hundreds and hundreds of novels

Oh really, and how many did not contain the words "see spot run"?


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post Oct 25 2018, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Oct 25 2018, 07:08 PM) *
Oh really, and how many did not contain the words "see spot run"?

Dont diss the man and his 2 2 from Doncaster poly... He is well read don't you know!😂
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post Oct 25 2018, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Oct 25 2018, 09:06 AM) *
Youíre actually being ridiculous. There are thousands of authors and millions of books. I canít possibly have read them all. Iíve read most Dickens, the main Trollopeís, literally hundreds and hundreds of novels of most genres.



Newres, on this response I agree with you.


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QUOTE (x2lls @ Oct 25 2018, 08:17 PM) *
Newres, on this response I agree with you.


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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Oct 25 2018, 08:57 PM) *
Bit of a collectors item so better paste and copy. cool.gif

I've screen shot for posterity. I doubt it will happen again.😂
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 25 2018, 06:50 AM) *
Mind, even when they were current, the authors mentioned weren't considered writers of the first rank; save amongst their followers.

Really, "Nabokov's Lolita (1955), his most noted novel in English, was ranked fourth in the list of the Modern Library 100 Best Novels;Pale Fire (1962) was ranked 53rd on the same list, and his memoir, Speak, Memory (1951), was listed eighth on the publisher's list of the 20th century's greatest nonfiction. He was a finalist for the National Book Award for Fiction seven times."
Doesn't sound, "not first rank" to me.

Sontag,
1978: National Book Critics Circle Award for On Photography
1990: MacArthur Fellowship
1992: Malaparte Prize, Italy
1999: Commandeur des Arts et des Lettres, France
2000: National Book Award for In America
2001: Jerusalem Prize, awarded every two years to a writer whose work explores the freedom of the individual in society.
2002: George Polk Award, for Cultural Criticism for "Looking at War," in The New Yorker
2003: Honorary Doctorate of TŁbingen University
2003: Peace Prize of the German Book Trade (Friedenspreis des deutschen Buchhandels) during the Frankfurt Book Fair (Frankfurter Buchmesse).
2003: Prince of Asturias Award on Literature.
2004: Two days after her death, Muhidin Hamamdzic, the mayor of Sarajevo announced the city would name a street after her, calling her an "author and a humanist who actively participated in the creation of the history of Sarajevo and Bosnia." Theatre Square outside the National Theatre was promptly proposed to be renamed Susan Sontag Theatre Square. It took 5 years, however, for that tribute to become official.On January 13, 2010, the city of Sarajevo posted a plate with a new street name for Theater Square: Theater Square of Susan Sontag.

Also rated by the Guardian as #16 in their best 100 non fiction list, Not too shabby. Highly regarded as one of the great essayists of modern times.

And as for Art Of War, its nice your colleague could confirm that overnight. However its not on the mandatory list, rather it's on the recommended list, a shortened list of recommended as below;

The Art of War by Sun Tzu
Attacks! By E. Rommel

Clausewitz, Carl von. On War. Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1984.
This is a war classic that sets the standard for books on the art of war.
Hart, B.H. Liddell. Strategy. Plume; 2 revised edition, 1991.
This book is a classic work on strategy that rivals Clausewitz.
Sumida, Jon Tetsuro. Inventing Grand Strategy and Teaching Command. The John
Hopkins University Press, 1999.


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