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post Oct 20 2012, 12:29 PM
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Khan Juna out of Thames Valley police commissioner election

The former chairman of the Thames Valley Police Authority has pulled out of the police and crime commissioner elections.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19952511


The question has to be ask, just how democratic and inclusive the Police & Crime Commissioners elections are, that are due to take place on 15th November, when someone who clearly has a great depth of knowledge and experience in policing issues, but has no party political backing has to withdraw from the election process as a result of funds?

The PCC programme has been railroaded through from within the Tory ranks of the Coalition Government without being tried and tested, and I cannot see how replacing the Police Authority (that currently contains political and independent members) with one politically influenced person is going to increase public confidence and participation.

As a former police officer, I am only too aware of the need for police reform, but the introduction of PCC's is in my opinion a retrospective step, and the outcome will be akin to the Chief Officer, in days gone by, having to ask to 'Lord of the Manor' for their (uneducated) opinion on policing matters.

Policing today is not as it once was a blue collar occupation, but requires its membership to be highly educated in criminology and criminal justice issues, motivated and professional. Replacing the Police Authority with someone who has limited or no understanding of policing or the criminal justice system, plus has no job specific qualifications, academic or otherwise, will lead either to, the Police & Crime Commissioner being overwhelmed by the advice of the highly skill senior police officers (all of whom, possess the former qualifications), and influenced totally by their opinions, or the total opposite, whereby the PCC, simply cannot be advised, for they know best, as they were allegedly elected by the people. In few cases do I foresee the middle way approach happening.

Hopefully, when the next Government is elected, and lets hoe that it is not a Tory one, they will be able to undo the damage done to our police service, and the rest of the public sector by the current Tories.
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post Oct 20 2012, 01:10 PM
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The whole PCC concept is a pile of pants regardless of politics. (Sadly, experience shows these things come from brainy people in the Home Office and they keep re-introducing the pet idea, regardless of the Party in government.) Neither party over the last 50-odd years has any claim to moral high ground on policing policy.
It will politicise policing to an extent previously unimagined. One of the first principles of Government is to keep the security services on-side. That can be done be being nice to them, or placing controls that ensure compliance. Often the latter is done with a kindly 'this will be good for everyone'.

A great shame independent candidates are finding it so hard to get to the ballot paper. Maybe there needs to be a support network led by some benevolent entrepreneur who will fund and support the campaigns.
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post Oct 21 2012, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Oct 20 2012, 02:10 PM) *
The whole PCC concept is a pile of pants regardless of politics. (Sadly, experience shows these things come from brainy people in the Home Office and they keep re-introducing the pet idea, regardless of the Party in government.) Neither party over the last 50-odd years has any claim to moral high ground on policing policy.
It will politicise policing to an extent previously unimagined. One of the first principles of Government is to keep the security services on-side. That can be done be being nice to them, or placing controls that ensure compliance. Often the latter is done with a kindly 'this will be good for everyone'.

A great shame independent candidates are finding it so hard to get to the ballot paper. Maybe there needs to be a support network led by some benevolent entrepreneur who will fund and support the campaigns.

Why we would want to politicise the Police force like this I've no idea. Best to fight crime on a legal basis and not out of popular politics.
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- Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   Khan Juna out of Thames Valley police commissioner election   Oct 20 2012, 12:29 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Oct 21 2012, 10...   Oct 21 2012, 09:35 AM
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|- - Jonno   QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Oct 21 2012, 10...   Oct 31 2012, 01:06 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Jonno @ Oct 31 2012, 01:06 PM) Pos...   Oct 31 2012, 08:48 PM
|- - Exhausted   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Oct 31 2012, 08:48 PM)...   Oct 31 2012, 09:05 PM
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- - March Hair   The whole idea is a bad move but Its a great sadne...   Oct 21 2012, 02:49 PM
- - John C   How can this be regarded as democratic. I know thi...   Oct 21 2012, 03:08 PM
- - Gooner72   I just find it amzing that the Government are cutt...   Oct 21 2012, 04:38 PM
- - Dodgys smarter brother.   The role of Thames Valley Police Commissioner, mig...   Oct 21 2012, 04:45 PM
|- - Rusty Bullet   QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Oct 21 2012,...   Oct 22 2012, 07:33 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Oct 21 2012,...   Oct 22 2012, 08:24 PM
- - NWNREADER   I don't rate the fella one bit, but Tony B Lia...   Oct 21 2012, 06:33 PM
|- - Cognosco   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Oct 21 2012, 07:33 PM)...   Oct 21 2012, 06:42 PM
- - On the edge   Spoilt ballot paper might be better alternative. ...   Oct 21 2012, 08:45 PM
|- - Adrian Hollister   QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 21 2012, 09:45 P...   Oct 22 2012, 08:45 AM
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- - March Hair   Sadly, if those of us who are not impressed by Mr ...   Oct 22 2012, 08:15 AM
- - Dodgys smarter brother.   That may be more to do with covering their backs t...   Oct 22 2012, 10:55 PM
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- - Cognosco   Who in their right mind would vote for someone tha...   Oct 24 2012, 06:14 PM
- - On the edge   Think you are absolutely right!   Oct 24 2012, 07:56 PM
- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   If you are keen to find out more and ask some ques...   Oct 29 2012, 08:37 PM
|- - On the edge   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Oct 29 2...   Oct 29 2012, 09:04 PM
|- - NWNREADER   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Oct 29 2...   Oct 29 2012, 09:13 PM
- - Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera   The candidates in the Thames Valley area are: Pat...   Nov 2 2012, 08:57 PM
- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Ruwan Uduwerage-Perera @ Nov 2 20...   Nov 2 2012, 09:24 PM
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