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Posted by: x2lls Mar 15 2018, 11:20 PM

Lauren Southern, Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone.

All banned for what?

Lauren detained and interviewed(?) interrogated for made up BS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1175&v=9Kzkgd-GLrk

Lord Pearson, who has raised the issue that Newres will not like. He was interviewed by Tommy Robinson in a very enlightening discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bjks3fmajM








Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 16 2018, 09:09 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 15 2018, 11:20 PM) *
Lauren Southern, Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone.

All banned for what?

Lauren detained and interviewed(?) interrogated for made up BS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1175&v=9Kzkgd-GLrk

Lord Pearson, who has raised the issue that Newres will not like. He was interviewed by Tommy Robinson in a very enlightening discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bjks3fmajM


Ut iam probatum est. They may well have this little interview on the history curriculum 100 years hence by which time a lot of suffering will have gone unaddressed.

Posted by: newres Mar 16 2018, 01:17 PM

The fact that you take Tommy Robinson as anything other then ham a racist and hate stirring extremist says much about you.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 16 2018, 03:57 PM

Iraqi teenager guilty of carrying out London train bombing
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security/iraqi-teenager-guilty-of-carrying-out-london-train-bombing-idUKKCN1GS1GY

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 16 2018, 07:07 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 16 2018, 03:57 PM) *
Iraqi teenager guilty of carrying out London train bombing
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security/iraqi-teenager-guilty-of-carrying-out-london-train-bombing-idUKKCN1GS1GY


God only knows what he would have done had we not given him a home in this country. How much is his incarceration going to cost the british tax payer?

Posted by: newres Mar 16 2018, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 16 2018, 03:57 PM) *
Iraqi teenager guilty of carrying out London train bombing
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security/iraqi-teenager-guilty-of-carrying-out-london-train-bombing-idUKKCN1GS1GY

That seems a massive failure of security services and lucky not to have been far worse.

Hopefully when JC becomes PM our desire for supporting the US in their “war on terror” will diminish and we will be less of a target as a result.



Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 16 2018, 11:16 PM

Old Beardy man? PM? when even his own party are turning against him? Salisbury has exposed him as the self serving marxist he really is and swathes of people across the country now realise this country cannot rely on its security at his hands. Mans a relic of the sixties, needs putting in an old folks home.

Meanwhile the total grows;

"In Telford alone, the dedicated Child Sexual Exploitation Team based in the town, has since 2016, arrested 56 people, resulting in 29 charges, with a number of these investigations still ongoing. We invest a significant amount of resource in trying to identify offenders and bring them to justice for the crimes they commit."

With most of them involved in the takeaway food business (good cover) This story has legs. Unlike Old Beardy.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 16 2018, 11:57 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 16 2018, 01:17 PM) *
The fact that you take Tommy Robinson as anything other then ham a racist and hate stirring extremist says much about you.


Your view of a man who has, for years, decades, been telling the world that what is happening right now
and has been ignored by the miserable examples of councilors, police and members of parliament is a B.L.O.O.D.Y disgrace.

Even the BBC have now admitted they and other media outlets got it wrong.


I don't suppose we will have a nice chat over a latte in Hyde Park Corner at around 15:00 on Sunday then?

You so disgust me. You are vile.

Posted by: newres Mar 17 2018, 04:38 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 16 2018, 11:57 PM) *
Your view of a man who has, for years, decades, been telling the world that what is happening right now
and has been ignored by the miserable examples of councilors, police and members of parliament is a B.L.O.O.D.Y disgrace.

Even the BBC have now admitted they and other media outlets got it wrong.


I don't suppose we will have a nice chat over a latte in Hyde Park Corner at around 15:00 on Sunday then?

You so disgust me. You are vile.

You idolise a convicted fraudster and former leader of a far right racist party and yet you call me “vile”. Deliberate irony? You are also a keyboard warrior.

Posted by: newres Mar 17 2018, 05:41 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 16 2018, 11:16 PM) *
Old Beardy man? PM? when even his own party are turning against him? Salisbury has exposed him as the self serving marxist he really is and swathes of people across the country now realise this country cannot rely on its security at his hands. Mans a relic of the sixties, needs putting in an old folks home.

Meanwhile the total grows;

"In Telford alone, the dedicated Child Sexual Exploitation Team based in the town, has since 2016, arrested 56 people, resulting in 29 charges, with a number of these investigations still ongoing. We invest a significant amount of resource in trying to identify offenders and bring them to justice for the crimes they commit."

With most of them involved in the takeaway food business (good cover) This story has legs. Unlike Old Beardy.

As far as I can see he’s sounding a note of caution before rushing to condemn. The government would certainly welcome a bogeyman at the moment and their refusal to supply a sample to Russia or an international body on chemical weapons is odd to say the least.

Plus the US does what Russia is accused of:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/mike-pompeo-cia-kill-teams-commandos-2018-3

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 17 2018, 08:24 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 16 2018, 08:18 PM) *
That seems a massive failure of security services and lucky not to have been far worse.

Hopefully when JC becomes PM our desire for supporting the US in their “war on terror” will diminish and we will be less of a target as a result.

Not a nasty man intent on maiming and killing innocent people then, but "a massive failure of security services"?
We and other western countries will be a target until we become a caliphate.

Posted by: newres Mar 17 2018, 08:57 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 17 2018, 08:24 AM) *
Not a nasty man intent on maiming and killing innocent people then, but "a massive failure of security services"?
We and other western countries will be a target until we become a caliphate.

I really cannot believe that there are people stupid enough to believe that. It’ll go on until we stop killing people and supporting those killing people Muslim countries I suspect.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 17 2018, 09:40 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 16 2018, 07:18 PM) *
That seems a massive failure of security services and lucky not to have been far worse.

Hopefully when JC becomes PM our desire for supporting the US in their “war on terror” will diminish and we will be less of a target as a result.


Or an easier one. The only way we can stop random attacks is to deport everyone who may fit the profile of a potential terrorist, station the army at Dover and not allow anyone in or out. Now I doubt even a Hollywood script writer would propose that, so we need to accept these things are going to happen and start thinking outside the box as to how we can minimise it. People are not born muslim/christian/etc. but are indoctrinated at an early age, so if we only allowed religious teaching when adulthood was attained maybe, just maybe, fundamentalism would not raise it's ugly head.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 17 2018, 09:49 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2018, 08:57 AM) *
I really cannot believe that there are people stupid enough to believe that. It’ll go on until we stop killing people and supporting those killing people Muslim countries I suspect.


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Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 17 2018, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 16 2018, 11:16 PM) *
Old Beardy man? PM? when even his own party are turning against him? Salisbury has exposed him as the self serving marxist he really is and swathes of people across the country now realise this country cannot rely on its security at his hands. Mans a relic of the sixties, needs putting in an old folks home.

Meanwhile the total grows;

"In Telford alone, the dedicated Child Sexual Exploitation Team based in the town, has since 2016, arrested 56 people, resulting in 29 charges, with a number of these investigations still ongoing. We invest a significant amount of resource in trying to identify offenders and bring them to justice for the crimes they commit."

With most of them involved in the takeaway food business (good cover) This story has legs. Unlike Old Beardy.

Old beardy also warned against most of the illegal folly of his own party and the Mobster Raving Humpback Torys who lapped up all the sabre rattling.

His opinions aren’t the worst examples of ego I have seen.

Posted by: newres Mar 17 2018, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2018, 09:49 AM) *
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So you're stupid enough to believe it too?

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 17 2018, 11:36 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2018, 09:57 AM) *
I really cannot believe that there are people stupid enough to believe that. It’ll go on until we stop killing people and supporting those killing people Muslim countries I suspect.

I could retaliate with "I cannot believe that there are people stupid enough not to believe it" but that would be childish and insulting wouldn't it?
No place for silly, insulting bickering on here!! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 17 2018, 01:05 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 17 2018, 09:59 AM) *
Old beardy also warned against most of the illegal folly of his own party and the Mobster Raving Humpback Torys who lapped up all the sabre rattling.

His opinions aren’t the worst examples of ego I have seen.

So, in a nutshell, the UK, NATO, USA, Europe in fact pretty much all of the western world including labours defence secretary believe it's Russia, but you believe an antiquated relic of the sixties. Sums you up really.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 17 2018, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2018, 10:50 AM) *
So you're stupid enough to believe it too?

Says the racist anti-Semite.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 17 2018, 01:33 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2018, 01:05 PM) *
So, in a nutshell, the UK, NATO, USA, Europe in fact pretty much all of the western world including labours defence secretary believe it's Russia, but you believe an antiquated relic of the sixties. Sums you up really.

Newres thinks it was Israel. One question I do have? Administering this novachok would render the people incapacitated within minutes and the 2 of them were seen walking coherently just a few minutes before they were found. How was it administered? Drone?

Posted by: newres Mar 17 2018, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2018, 01:05 PM) *
So, in a nutshell, the UK, NATO, USA, Europe in fact pretty much all of the western world including labours defence secretary believe it's Russia, but you believe an antiquated relic of the sixties. Sums you up really.

But the Uk won’t share their samples.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 17 2018, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2018, 01:37 PM) *
But the Uk won’t share their samples.

It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if they did.

Posted by: newres Mar 17 2018, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 17 2018, 01:42 PM) *
It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference if they did.

Well at least it would be open. Don't forgot the dodgy dossier as well as how close Porton Down is. Are we really saying that Putin authorised it? Where's the evidence? I'm not saying Russians aren't responsible, but to accuse the government seems bizarre at this stage. There's clearly corruption throughout and dodgy mafia/oligarchs here in the UK, but the clamour to condemn Putin is at best undiplomatic.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 17 2018, 03:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2018, 02:41 PM) *
Well at least it would be open. Don't forgot the dodgy dossier as well as how close Porton Down is. Are we really saying that Putin authorised it? Where's the evidence? I'm not saying Russians aren't responsible, but to accuse the government seems bizarre at this stage. There's clearly corruption throughout and dodgy mafia/oligarchs here in the UK, but the clamour to condemn Putin is at best undiplomatic.


I tend to agree. Quite simply it would not be in Putin's interest to use such means when there are far simpler methods of assassination.
My immediate thought when the news broke was that the nerve agent had come from Porton Down, probably on "route" to a cell within the russian complex. That in no way infers the state instigated it though it would need to be orchestrated by someone in the politburo, and comrade Skripal was the local courier. This stuff is far to lethal just to chuck in the general direction of the victim without wiping out half of south wiltshire's population.
With the accompanying histeria of both sides we will probably never know the real truth which is probably more dangerous than doing nothing.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 17 2018, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2018, 02:41 PM) *
Well at least it would be open. Don't forgot the dodgy dossier as well as how close Porton Down is. Are we really saying that Putin authorised it? Where's the evidence? I'm not saying Russians aren't responsible, but to accuse the government seems bizarre at this stage. There's clearly corruption throughout and dodgy mafia/oligarchs here in the UK, but the clamour to condemn Putin is at best undiplomatic.

Diplomacy means nothing to Putin and once nerve agents are used on the streets on Britain it goes beyond diplomacy. Russia cares not one fig for the law or for world opinion, Putin had been pushing for a showdown since the day he took over and wants to demonstrate once again that he is a strong leader.
What next? Aircraft accidentally shotdown when escorting russian planes out of our airspace? This is the country complicit in the downing of the passenger plane over Ukraine recently. They don't care, never have, never will.

Posted by: newres Mar 17 2018, 05:10 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 17 2018, 03:48 PM) *
Diplomacy means nothing to Putin and once nerve agents are used on the streets on Britain it goes beyond diplomacy. Russia cares not one fig for the law or for world opinion, Putin had been pushing for a showdown since the day he took over and wants to demonstrate once again that he is a strong leader.
What next? Aircraft accidentally shotdown when escorting russian planes out of our airspace? This is the country complicit in the downing of the passenger plane over Ukraine recently. They don't care, never have, never will.

Still, where’s the proof and why is it not being shared?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 17 2018, 05:51 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 17 2018, 05:10 PM) *
Still, where’s the proof and why is it not being shared?

Typical lefty, sitting back whining and not picking. What do you want, an empty packet of nerve agent, russian writing, addressed to 'V Putin Esq' . Could you crawl any further up Corbyn s backside?

Posted by: newres Mar 17 2018, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2018, 05:51 PM) *
Typical lefty, sitting back whining and not picking. What do you want, an empty packet of nerve agent, russian writing, addressed to 'V Putin Esq' . Could you crawl any further up Corbyn s backside?

I’m not the one whining. I’m the calm one waiting to be convinced. It’s the usual suspects here and nationally getting uptight. Did you believe Saddam could launch an attack on us in 40 minutes? I certainly didn’t. And guess what. Our government lied to us. And that was a Labour government! If it was the nerve agent they say it is, let someone Independant test it.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 17 2018, 06:32 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2018, 05:51 PM) *
Typical lefty, sitting back whining and not picking. What do you want, an empty packet of nerve agent, russian writing, addressed to 'V Putin Esq' . Could you crawl any further up Corbyn s backside?


The porton down gals and guys will know exactly where this was "manufactured". I'm more concerned about the method of delivery. I suspect drone. What does Putin gain? Enhanced reputation as a strong man at home. Winning an election with a landslide and putting the fear of god up any russian that might think about "defecting". So bearing in mind all that I guess we did it or Mossad.😂

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 17 2018, 07:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 17 2018, 06:32 PM) *
The porton down gals and guys will know exactly where this was "manufactured". I'm more concerned about the method of delivery. I suspect drone. What does Putin gain? Enhanced reputation as a strong man at home. Winning an election with a landslide and putting the fear of god up any russian that might think about "defecting". So bearing in mind all that I guess we did it or Mossad.😂

Or it could have been Betty from the mothers union, but on balance probably Russia.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 17 2018, 08:05 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 17 2018, 07:03 PM) *
Or it could have been Betty from the mothers union, but on balance probably Russia.

Nope. Newres thinks its us. Everything in some peoples eyes is a conspiracy. I expect he also believes that 911 was a CIA plot of some kind...😂

Posted by: newres Mar 18 2018, 07:57 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 17 2018, 07:03 PM) *
Or it could have been Betty from the mothers union, but on balance probably Russia.

Or Russians. Don't forget that both the US and Israel do have state sanctioned assassination programs so it wouldn't be surprising if they had one too. The US methods cause a lot more collateral damage.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 18 2018, 08:05 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2018, 05:51 PM) *
Typical lefty, sitting back whining and not picking. What do you want, an empty packet of nerve agent, russian writing, addressed to 'V Putin Esq' . Could you crawl any further up Corbyn s backside?

Perhaps we would like a rational government to act within the law. The way it is behaving causes doubt.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 18 2018, 08:16 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 17 2018, 01:05 PM) *
So, in a nutshell, the UK, NATO, USA, Europe in fact pretty much all of the western world including labours defence secretary believe it's Russia, but you believe an antiquated relic of the sixties. Sums you up really.

Your response sums you and your like up.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 18 2018, 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 18 2018, 08:16 AM) *
Your response sums you and your like up.

That was almost coherent, almost.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 18 2018, 12:47 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 18 2018, 08:05 AM) *
Perhaps we would like a rational government to act within the law. The way it is behaving causes doubt.

Like your russian puppet masters obey the law? Don't make me laugh you train riding libtard.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 18 2018, 01:15 PM

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Posted by: newres Mar 18 2018, 02:51 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 18 2018, 01:15 PM) *
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It should be Trump, not Corbyn.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 18 2018, 04:35 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2018, 02:51 PM) *
It should be Trump, not Corbyn.

Because?

Posted by: newres Mar 18 2018, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 18 2018, 04:35 PM) *
Because?

I’m surprised you needed to ask. There’s more evidence of Russian collusion in Trump’s election victory than there is that Russia has influence over Corbyn.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 18 2018, 05:07 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2018, 05:01 PM) *
I’m surprised you needed to ask. There’s more evidence of Russian collusion in Trump’s election victory than there is that Russia has influence over Corbyn.

What evidence? We know Corbyn is a Marxist. Lots of democrats have said collusion exists. I have yet to see any evidence linking Trump. If you have some please let the authorities in the usa know.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 18 2018, 06:56 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 18 2018, 05:07 PM) *
What evidence? We know Corbyn is a Marxist. Lots of democrats have said collusion exists. I have yet to see any evidence linking Trump. If you have some please let the authorities in the usa know.

The boys a dreamer, I really don't like to think that people with such a hateful view of the west as Newres are allowed to vote to be frank, probably making bombs in his mum's kitchen at the moment.

Posted by: newres Mar 18 2018, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 18 2018, 05:07 PM) *
What evidence? We know Corbyn is a Marxist. Lots of democrats have said collusion exists. I have yet to see any evidence linking Trump. If you have some please let the authorities in the usa know.

Well the FBI seem to think there’s some there. I’m guessing they know more than you. wink.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 18 2018, 08:21 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 18 2018, 12:47 PM) *
Like your russian puppet masters obey the law? Don't make me laugh you train riding libtard.

My Russian what? Your arguments are less than child like: illiterate, emotional claptrap.

Posted by: newres Mar 18 2018, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 18 2018, 06:56 PM) *
The boys a dreamer, I really don't like to think that people with such a hateful view of the west as Newres are allowed to vote to be frank, probably making bombs in his mum's kitchen at the moment.

Hey, the EU is the west. It’s you and your crew that hate the west. I’m very anti US foreign policy under Obama and Trump, but other than that I’m not anti US. The irony of your comment is astounding.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 18 2018, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2018, 05:01 PM) *
I’m surprised you needed to ask. There’s more evidence of Russian collusion in Trump’s election victory than there is that Russia has influence over Corbyn.


I must admit I am at a total loss as to why the ruskies would want Trump over Clinton? Perhaps I am missing something but the last thing a bully needs is someone of an equal bloody mindedness to argue with over the telephone.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 18 2018, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2018, 08:23 PM) *
Hey, the EU is the west. It’s you and your crew that hate the west. I’m very anti US foreign policy under Obama and Trump, but other than that I’m not anti US. The irony of your comment is astounding.

Any irony from JSC would be accidental; she doesn’t have the intelligence to do such a thing.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 18 2018, 08:27 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 18 2018, 08:23 PM) *
I must admit I am at a total loss as to why the ruskies would want Trump over Clinton? Perhaps I am missing something but the last thing a bully needs is someone of an equal bloody mindedness to argue with over the telephone.

Divide and rule; the snag is the hysterical right wingers are too busy shrieking to notice; or bright enough to realise.

Posted by: newres Mar 18 2018, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 18 2018, 08:23 PM) *
I must admit I am at a total loss as to why the ruskies would want Trump over Clinton? Perhaps I am missing something but the last thing a bully needs is someone of an equal bloody mindedness to argue with over the telephone.

I’m guessing there are a number of reasons. Firstly the Russians have a hold over Trump and secondly I’m guessing it suits them to have a clown running their nemesis.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 18 2018, 10:29 PM

Back on topic, freedom of speech.

Today I had a FANTASTIC time at Speakers Corner. I spoke to many people and the camaraderie was heartening. Those that represent the religion of peace were the violent ones!! Check out the web for the muppet in a black and white knitted hat hitting a woman with a weapon. Only ten minutes prior, I watched him shouting disgusting abuse at a couple of speakers not associated with the main event.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 18 2018, 10:41 PM




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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 18 2018, 11:00 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2018, 08:37 PM) *
I’m guessing there are a number of reasons. Firstly the Russians have a hold over Trump and secondly I’m guessing it suits them to have a clown running their nemesis.

What proof do you have that the Russians have a "hold" over Trump? What drivel rubbish and nonsense.

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 06:36 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 18 2018, 11:00 PM) *
What proof do you have that the Russians have a "hold" over Trump? What drivel rubbish and nonsense.

19 indictments so far? Evidence rather than proof. What evidence do you have that Corbyn is Putin’s puppet.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 19 2018, 07:05 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 18 2018, 08:37 PM) *
I’m guessing there are a number of reasons. Firstly the Russians have a hold over Trump and secondly I’m guessing it suits them to have a clown running their nemesis.

Guessing, best you can do then, don't like the republicans, don't like democrats, certainly don't like the Jews, anybody left in America you do like?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 19 2018, 07:06 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 06:36 AM) *
19 indictments so far? Evidence rather than proof. What evidence do you have that Corbyn is Putin’s puppet.

Evidence, lots and lots of evidence.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 19 2018, 07:07 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 18 2018, 10:29 PM) *
Back on topic, freedom of speech.

Today I had a FANTASTIC time at Speakers Corner. I spoke to many people and the camaraderie was heartening. Those that represent the religion of peace were the violent ones!! Check out the web for the muppet in a black and white knitted hat hitting a woman with a weapon. Only ten minutes prior, I watched him shouting disgusting abuse at a couple of speakers not associated with the main event.

That's what the loony left call rational political discourse.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 19 2018, 07:11 AM

I see Newres is in the news today.

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/23700/man-posed-as-teen-on-facebook-to-lure-girl.html

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 07:34 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 19 2018, 07:11 AM) *
I see Newres is in the news today.

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/23700/man-posed-as-teen-on-facebook-to-lure-girl.html

Reported. Beyond acceptable.

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 07:45 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 19 2018, 07:07 AM) *
That's what the loony left call rational political discourse.

And Tommy the convicted fraudster and former leader of a far right group is rational? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 08:14 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 07:45 AM) *
And Tommy the convicted fraudster and former leader of a far right group is rational? rolleyes.gif

At least he doesn't go around assaulting people for not having the same views as himself.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 19 2018, 08:56 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 08:14 AM) *
At least he doesn't go around assaulting people for not having the same views as himself.

He’s got people to do that for him.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 19 2018, 09:05 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 19 2018, 08:56 AM) *
He’s got people to do that for him.



I assume you have evidence to back that accusation up?


Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 09:16 AM

"Asked whether he blamed Mr Putin for the attack, Mr McDonnell told ITV's Peston on Sunday: "I agree completely with the prime minister.

"What she's said is that Russia is culpable, either by direct commission - either [President] Putin's ordered this - or they've lost control of their supplies."

He added: "There's a pattern of people being murdered here, therefore it leads you to the conclusion that Putin has questions to answer, because this is highly likely this could have been a state execution."

The words 'rats' and 'sinking ship' spring to mind. laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 19 2018, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 07:34 AM) *
Reported. Beyond acceptable.


Hear hear...........Ok to argue over political stance but to insult on a personal level is neither funny nor acceptable

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 09:40 AM

While he feels that posting racist and anti-Semitic opinions are ok?

Posted by: Cognosco Mar 19 2018, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 09:40 AM) *
While he feels that posting racist and anti-Semitic opinions are ok?


I do wish you children would play nicely..........if nothing changes then you will not be allowed in the playground! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 09:40 AM) *
While he feels that posting racist and anti-Semitic opinions are ok?

Where are these posts?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 12:20 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 12:10 PM) *
Where are these posts?

"Written by a jew. Hardly an independent view is it?"

"he is Jewish and it's his tribe that maims baby boys"

"The rest are no different to FGM or African facial scars - purely tribal."

"Muslims do this too for tribal reasons. It’s not just Jews."

"There isn't really a case for circumcision being beneficial except in AIDS ridden countries "

Let's start with these.

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 01:36 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 12:20 PM) *
"Written by a jew. Hardly an independent view is it?"

"he is Jewish and it's his tribe that maims baby boys"

"The rest are no different to FGM or African facial scars - purely tribal."

"Muslims do this too for tribal reasons. It’s not just Jews."

"There isn't really a case for circumcision being beneficial except in AIDS ridden countries "

Let's start with these.


They are all factual as far as I can see. The language is slightly brusque (tribal and maiming) so that you can compare it with your language around Muslims, but there is nothing anti semitic and are only there to demonstrate your hypocrisy around FGM and Halal.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 02:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 01:36 PM) *
They are all factual as far as I can see. The language is slightly brusque (tribal and maiming) so that you can compare it with your language around Muslims, but there is nothing anti semitic and are only there to demonstrate your hypocrisy around FGM and Halal.

Why not put your money where your mouth is and move to an area consistent with your views. Telford?

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 03:39 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2018, 02:39 PM) *
Why not put your money where your mouth is and move to an area consistent with your views. Telford?

Perhaps you should. 1930s Germany.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 03:39 PM) *
Perhaps you should. 1930s Germany.

With your anti semite views I'll leave that for you.

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2018, 03:56 PM) *
With your anti semite views I'll leave that for you.

I'm probably anti Israeli, but I'm not anti semitic. I'm anti Saudi Arabia, but I'm not anti Muslim. You get easily confused don't you.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 05:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 05:20 PM) *
I'm probably anti Israeli, but I'm not anti semitic. I'm anti Saudi Arabia, but I'm not anti Muslim. You get easily confused don't you.

So if I said I'm anti Pakistan and Somalia thats Ok with you? Israel is the home of the Jews. You make no sense. Whatsoever. Me. I'm anti terrorist. But you want to understand them and have a chat. Bless.

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 05:39 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2018, 05:34 PM) *
So if I said I'm anti Pakistan and Somalia thats Ok with you? Israel is the home of the Jews. You make no sense. Whatsoever. Me. I'm anti terrorist. But you want to understand them and have a chat. Bless.

Well you must be anti Israeli then since Israel was founded on terrorism. See - confused.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 05:42 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 05:39 PM) *
Well you must be anti Israeli then since Israel was founded on terrorism. See - confused.

Oh really? Please elucidate.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 19 2018, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 05:42 PM) *
Oh really? Please elucidate.

It seems some local Jews formed militias with the sole intent to expell the Brits and Arabs.

https://www.britain-in-palestine.com/jewish-terror-in-palestine

“As the plight of Europe’s Jews caught the world’s attention, Jewish militias in Palestine, aided by illegal terrorist cells, carried out a series of attacks designed to get the British to leave Palestine. No holds were barred as soldiers, policemen and civilians were attacked and buildings blown up with the sole aim of terrorising the British and the Arabs. This Jewish terrorism was a major factor in Britain’s decision finally to wash its hands of the Mandate.”

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 06:41 PM

However, Both the Irgun and the Lehi focused their attention on British military and governmental targets. Civilians were killed, but they were not generally targeted. The Jewish underground also often called in warnings before attacking targets, Palestinian terrorism, on the other hand, has been often indiscriminate and frequently directed specifically at civilians. So, one attacks military and one attacks civilians, who's the least in need of censure?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 06:50 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 05:39 PM) *
Well you must be anti Israeli then since Israel was founded on terrorism. See - confused.

I guess that makes South Africa a rogue state. Nelson Mandela.
By your logic.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 06:55 PM

Technically is any nation not founded on terrorism?

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 06:41 PM) *
However, Both the Irgun and the Lehi focused their attention on British military and governmental targets. Civilians were killed, but they were not generally targeted. The Jewish underground also often called in warnings before attacking targets, Palestinian terrorism, on the other hand, has been often indiscriminate and frequently directed specifically at civilians. So, one attacks military and one attacks civilians, who's the least in need of censure?

The IRA did all of that. Are they alright then?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 19 2018, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 05:20 PM) *
I'm probably anti Israeli, but I'm not anti semitic. I'm anti Saudi Arabia, but I'm not anti Muslim. You get easily confused don't you.

You're very confused aren't you. Confused and anti Semitic. We do however accept your claim not to be anti Muslim. That much is very obvious.

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2018, 06:50 PM) *
I guess that makes South Africa a rogue state. Nelson Mandela.
By your logic.

No, but then it doesn’t terrorise it’s neighbours or occupy territory illegally.

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 07:04 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 19 2018, 07:00 PM) *
You're very confused aren't you. Confused and anti Semitic. We do however accept your claim not to be anti Muslim. That much is very obvious.

Well at least I don’t resort to calling people paedophiles when I can’t win an argument. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 07:11 PM

Germany have just fallen from 14th to 51st in the worlds safest countries to visit (we are 41st). Anyone got any idea why? Im puzzled???😂

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 07:02 PM) *
No, but then it doesn’t terrorise it’s neighbours or occupy territory illegally.

Nope nothing to see here...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africa-white-farmers-plaasmoorde-cyril-ramaphosa-anc-economic-freedom-fighters-gabriel-stols-a8262306.html

So in ten years time when South Africa is Zimbabwe2 don't come with a begging bowl. You reap what you sow.. Or in the case of soon to be South Africa.. What you don't....

Have you actually spoken to any black South Africans in the UK? I have. Some of them think life was better under apartheid. Thats how sh1t it is.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 19 2018, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2018, 07:11 PM) *
Germany have just fallen from 14th to 51st in the worlds safest countries to visit (we are 41st). Anyone got any idea why? Im puzzled???😂

Wonder why? Check Sweden for us, see where that is. Out of interest, oh and Poland. Ta.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 19 2018, 07:27 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 19 2018, 07:25 PM) *
Nope nothing to see here...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/south-africa-white-farmers-plaasmoorde-cyril-ramaphosa-anc-economic-freedom-fighters-gabriel-stols-a8262306.html

So in ten years time when South Africa is Zimbabwe2 don't come with a begging bowl. You reap what you sow.. Or in the case of soon to be South Africa.. What you don't....

Have you actually spoken to any black South Africans in the UK? I have. Some of them think life was better under apartheid. Thats how sh1t it is.


Don't forget the staggering amount of corruption there as well.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 19 2018, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 06:55 PM) *
Technically is any nation not founded on terrorism?


The old adage that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter will always hold sway. The Romans had the Iceni to contend with, William the B*****d Hereward the Wake and the Hanoverians the Jacobites. History is full of conflict and the good guy didn't win every time. The problem is that we have not found a viable alternative to violence to settle our disagreements. Some of the vitriolic comments on this provincial forum show just how easy it is to get the red mist descending.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 07:36 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 19 2018, 07:28 PM) *
The old adage that one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter will always hold sway. The Romans had the Iceni to contend with, William the B*****d Hereward the Wake and the Hanoverians the Jacobites. History is full of conflict and the good guy didn't win every time. The problem is that we have not found a viable alternative to violence to settle our disagreements. Some of the vitriolic comments on this provincial forum show just how easy it is to get the red mist descending.


Do you want some? Come on... Outside.😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 19 2018, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 07:02 PM) *
No, but then it doesn’t terrorise it’s neighbours or occupy territory illegally.

In a 2006 survey, the South African Migration Project concluded that South Africans are more opposed to immigration than anywhere else in the world.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 19 2018, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 06:41 PM) *
However, Both the Irgun and the Lehi focused their attention on British military and governmental targets. Civilians were killed, but they were not generally targeted. The Jewish underground also often called in warnings before attacking targets, Palestinian terrorism, on the other hand, has been often indiscriminate and frequently directed specifically at civilians. So, one attacks military and one attacks civilians, who's the least in need of censure?

Twaddle; I’d be embarrassed to post that.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 19 2018, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 19 2018, 09:05 AM) *
I assume you have evidence to back that accusation up?



Well after 11 hours, I assume not.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 05:39 PM) *
Well you must be anti Israeli then since Israel was founded on terrorism. See - confused.

I said I'm anti terrorist. I didnt say I wasn't anti Israel. I dislike ALL terrorism. You see. Its quite simple. Some Muslims belive it or not would cut your head off live on air and p1ss down your neck. Just like some white Christian evangelist might shoot you with an assualt rifle. Both would do it in the name of a sky fairy. Its just its far more likely at the moment to be a muslim. In my opinion.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 19 2018, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 05:39 PM) *
Well you must be anti Israeli then since Israel was founded on terrorism. See - confused.


Indirectly, Israel is founded on the actions of a dictator. Had WW2 not happened, I doubt it would exist today.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 09:26 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 19 2018, 07:53 PM) *
Twaddle; I’d be embarrassed to post that.

Really, it comes from a very good source to whit, Daniel Kurtzer, the former U.S. ambassador to Egypt and Israel, who is the S. Daniel Abraham Professor of Middle East policy studies at Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. He wrote it as part of a critique of 'ANONYMOUS SOLDIERS'
The Struggle for Israel, 1917-1947
By Bruce Hoffman

So I have a choice of who to listen to, a celebrated expert in middle East affairs and long time ambassador to the region, or I can listen to you. Wonder which one has the more valid opinion?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 19 2018, 09:30 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 19 2018, 07:41 PM) *
In a 2006 survey, the South African Migration Project concluded that South Africans are more opposed to immigration than anywhere else in the world.

It's a funny old world, Say that about Britain and the 'tards would be screaming blue murder, say it about South Africa, not a murmer. wink.gif

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 09:36 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 19 2018, 08:44 PM) *
Indirectly, Israel is founded on the actions of a dictator. Had WW2 not happened, I doubt it would exist today.

I bet it would. Zionism predates Hitler as I’m sure you know . It gave it impetus obviously.

Posted by: newres Mar 19 2018, 09:36 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 09:30 PM) *
It's a funny old world, Say that about Britain and the 'tards would be screaming blue murder, say it about South Africa, not a murmer. wink.gif

Possibly because it was totally random.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 19 2018, 10:04 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 19 2018, 09:36 PM) *
Possibly because it was totally random.

Just as a matter of interest if this had been say John Smith aged 45 from Dover who spent a lot of time in lets say Wetherspoons and he had crashed his car into an Islamic wedding rather than a nightclub would this be not major news? Pretty certain he would be in Belmarsh already as a terrorist. I'm pretty sure its just someone losing "the plot" who just happens to have a Muslim name. But Im sure if it had been said "John Smith" newres would have been all over it like a rash....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-kent-43456736


Posted by: x2lls Mar 21 2018, 11:14 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 19 2018, 08:56 AM) *
He’s got people to do that for him.



Still no evidence. I suggest you are a liar. Please prove you are not lying AC.

I attended, as I've said before, the free speech demo at speakers corner. The only violence I saw was two members of the religion of peace.
One whacked a policeman in the head with a walking stick, the other attacked Katie Hopkins.






Posted by: newres Mar 22 2018, 06:56 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 21 2018, 11:14 PM) *
Still no evidence. I suggest you are a liar. Please prove you are not lying AC.

I attended, as I've said before, the free speech demo at speakers corner. The only violence I saw was two members of the religion of peace.
One whacked a policeman in the head with a walking stick, the other attacked Katie Hopkins.

He incites violence and hatred. He isn’t daft enough to suggest it.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 22 2018, 09:18 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 22 2018, 06:56 AM) *
He incites violence and hatred. He isn’t daft enough to suggest it.


Wrong, he tells it as he sees it. He has never condoned violence.

Find an example.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 22 2018, 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 19 2018, 09:26 PM) *
Really, it comes from a very good source to whit, Daniel Kurtzer, the former U.S. ambassador to Egypt and Israel, who is the S. Daniel Abraham Professor of Middle East policy studies at Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. He wrote it as part of a critique of 'ANONYMOUS SOLDIERS'
The Struggle for Israel, 1917-1947
By Bruce Hoffman

So I have a choice of who to listen to, a celebrated expert in middle East affairs and long time ambassador to the region, or I can listen to you. Wonder which one has the more valid opinion?

I don’t care who you think is valid; both could be, it’s just your argument was poorly framed.

In effect you said: their terrorisum was less terrorist than other terrorism. You also imply soldiers and politicians are more deserving of terrorisum than ‘civilians’. Well in my book they are all humans who have friends and family who are ‘civilians’.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 22 2018, 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 22 2018, 11:13 AM) *
I don’t care who you think is valid; both could be, it’s just your argument was poorly framed.

In effect you said: their terrorisum was less terrorist than other terrorism. You also imply soldiers and politicians are more deserving of terrorisum than ‘civilians’. Well in my book they are all humans who have friends and family who are ‘civilians’.

Wasn't my argument, it was his, you know? The expert? And, in all civilised theaters civilians are considered 'out of bounds'. Directly targeting women and children is a bit different to targeting armed and hostile military personnel.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 22 2018, 02:08 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 22 2018, 12:33 PM) *
Wasn't my argument, it was his, you know? The expert? And, in all civilised theaters civilians are considered 'out of bounds'. Directly targeting women and children is a bit different to targeting armed and hostile military personnel.

Hmm, so, the opinion of an expert with long experience in the region, or a bloke on a train. Tough call!

Posted by: newres Mar 22 2018, 02:17 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 22 2018, 12:33 PM) *
Wasn't my argument, it was his, you know? The expert? And, in all civilised theaters civilians are considered 'out of bounds'. Directly targeting women and children is a bit different to targeting armed and hostile military personnel.

So the IRA are comparable to the Zionist terrorists?

Posted by: newres Mar 22 2018, 02:56 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 22 2018, 02:08 PM) *
Hmm, so, the opinion of an expert with long experience in the region, or a bloke on a train. Tough call!

Funny how one man’s Expert is another man’s clown. Most economic experts are saying Brexit will be bad for the UK but most on here believe a bloke who wears Union Jack shoes. A clown in anyone’s book.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 22 2018, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 22 2018, 02:17 PM) *
So the IRA are comparable to the Zionist terrorists?

IRA closest to ISIS, your mates.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 22 2018, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 22 2018, 02:56 PM) *
Funny how one man’s Expert is another man’s clown. Most economic experts are saying Brexit will be bad for the UK but most on here believe a bloke who wears Union Jack shoes. A clown in anyone’s book.

You're just a clown, full stop, expert in being 'Speshuul'. How are those shoes you bought in Telford fitting? Pinching yet?

Posted by: newres Mar 22 2018, 05:26 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 22 2018, 03:47 PM) *
You're just a clown, full stop, expert in being 'Speshuul'. How are those shoes you bought in Telford fitting? Pinching yet?

Where did you learn your debating skills?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 22 2018, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 22 2018, 05:26 PM) *
Where did you learn your debating skills?

Trying to debate with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, it struts around, knocks all the pieces over, takes a crap on the board then walks off thinking it's won. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 22 2018, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 22 2018, 05:50 PM) *
Trying to debate with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, it struts around, knocks all the pieces over, takes a crap on the board then walks off thinking it's won. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

😂 But... He is the Stephen Hawking of this forum.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 22 2018, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 22 2018, 12:33 PM) *
Wasn't my argument, it was his, you know? The expert? And, in all civilised theaters civilians are considered 'out of bounds'. Directly targeting women and children is a bit different to targeting armed and hostile military personnel.

It was your argument, but even if not, you believe soldiers AND politicians are fair game to ‘casual terrorisum’. Notwithstanding even if ‘civilians’ are not targeted, terrorisum will lead to civilian deaths.

Your argument as well as your source, assuming you have correctly represented the author’s thesis, is laughable, except it isn’t funny.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 22 2018, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 22 2018, 05:50 PM) *
Trying to debate with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, it struts around, knocks all the pieces over, takes a crap on the board then walks off thinking it's won. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Be thankful then at least we have you and your mates’ measured musings to enjoy.

Posted by: newres Mar 22 2018, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 22 2018, 05:50 PM) *
Trying to debate with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, it struts around, knocks all the pieces over, takes a crap on the board then walks off thinking it's won. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

The one thing I’ve learned is that it’s impossible to win an argument with a bigot and even more impossible to win an argument with a bigot on the internet. wink.gif Especially one that resorts to name calling.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 22 2018, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 22 2018, 09:34 PM) *
The one thing I’ve learned is that it’s impossible to win an argument with a bigot and even more impossible to win an argument with a bigot on the internet. wink.gif Especially one that resorts to name calling.

Define bigot please. Someone who doesn't hold the newres view of the world?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 22 2018, 10:10 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 22 2018, 08:35 PM) *
It was your argument, but even if not, you believe soldiers AND politicians are fair game to ‘casual terrorisum’. Notwithstanding even if ‘civilians’ are not targeted, terrorisum will lead to civilian deaths.

Your argument as well as your source, assuming you have correctly represented the author’s thesis, is laughable, except it isn’t funny.

It was lifted, verbatim, from his critique of another book, I did try to explain that but obviously it's too difficult for you to understand. And it's written by someone with far deeper understanding of the region than I. And certainly you. Just because you either don't understand or agree doesn't make it wrong.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 22 2018, 10:11 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 22 2018, 09:42 PM) *
Define bigot please. Someone who doesn't hold the newres view of the world?

Bigot: someone who won't see another's view. See newres.

Oh, and while we're here, 'swivel eyed loon' ring any bells?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 22 2018, 10:14 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 22 2018, 05:50 PM) *
Trying to debate with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, it struts around, knocks all the pieces over, takes a crap on the board then walks off thinking it's won. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Yup, I can picture that.

Posted by: Andy Capp Mar 22 2018, 10:52 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 22 2018, 10:10 PM) *
It was lifted, verbatim, from his critique of another book, I did try to explain that but obviously it's too difficult for you to understand. And it's written by someone with far deeper understanding of the region than I. And certainly you. Just because you either don't understand or agree doesn't make it wrong.

I know what you said and I understand what you said, but is not matter of deeper knowledge; it’s about the premiss being absurd: kind gentle thoughtful terrorisum who didn’t mean any harm to civilians.

Plain and simple cobblers.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 01:51 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 22 2018, 09:34 PM) *
The one thing I’ve learned is that it’s impossible to win an argument with a bigot and even more impossible to win an argument with a bigot on the internet. wink.gif Especially one that resorts to name calling.

And let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 04:07 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 22 2018, 09:34 PM) *
The one thing I’ve learned is that it’s impossible to win an argument with a bigot and even more impossible to win an argument with a bigot on the internet. wink.gif Especially one that resorts to name calling.



In response to you and AC,


I assume you know why the EDL started in the first place?
You do know why he left the EDL, don't you?
You do know that the EDL highlighted Telford as a grooming hotbed in 2004, don't you?
You do know that Lord Pearson was lambasted in the House of Lords for bringing up the subject of the elephant in room, don't you?
You do know that Lord Pearson was interviewed by Tommy Robinson within the Parliament estate and during the interview, the peer told Mr Robinson: "You can say what you like about the Hindu gods, but as soon as you touch Islam and you begin to wonder whether Mohammed was such a peaceful person, character, all **** breaks loose and you're completely ostracised and everyone is very angry with you."
Baroness Warsi is quoted as saying "Maybe if he has the opportunity to do so, he would explain whether he thinks it appropriate for members to host the likes of Tommy Robinson within the precincts of this House at a time when there is an increased risk in relation to hate crime and members of the other House have been receiving hate letters."

Well considering he did, then I would say yes, he does.

Subsequently, Lord Pearson has invited Baroness Warsi to debate Tommy Robinson, though I won't be getting any popcorn just yet.
Here are the details of the invite.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/22/ukip-peer-invites-sayeeda-warsi-debate-tommy-robinson/

Why no hoohar over this?

Corbyn:-
“Tomorrow evening it will be my pleasure and my honour to host an event in parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking. And I’ve also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak as well. Unfortunately the Israelis would not allow them to travel here… The idea that [Hamas] should be labelled as a terrorist organisation by the British government is really a big, big historical mistake and I would invite the government to reconsider its position on this matter and start talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah.”
Or this?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11754303/Jeremy-Corbyn-sips-coffee-with-comrades-Gerry-Adams-and-Martin-McGuiness-in-Parliament.html

The Darren Osborne case, guilty by association. What direct contact? Osborne told why he did what he did.



THAT to me, is bigotry
.

As is the following.


He incites violence and hatred. He isn’t daft enough to suggest it.

Wrong, he tells it as he sees it. He has never condoned violence.

Find an example. (With a please this time!)



At least he doesn't go around assaulting people for not having the same views as himself. (Just like bigots do)

He’s got people to do that for him.

I assume you have evidence to back that accusation up?

Or have you been reading this?

John Ferguson has excelled himself with this little ditty, it's a cracker. Ooh, there goes another rib!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/watch-supporters-chant-tommy-robinsons-12222642


Posted by: newres Mar 23 2018, 06:33 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 23 2018, 04:07 AM) *
In response to you and AC,


I assume you know why the EDL started in the first place?
You do know why he left the EDL, don't you?
You do know that the EDL highlighted Telford as a grooming hotbed in 2004, don't you?
You do know that Lord Pearson was lambasted in the House of Lords for bringing up the subject of the elephant in room, don't you?
You do know that Lord Pearson was interviewed by Tommy Robinson within the Parliament estate and during the interview, the peer told Mr Robinson: "You can say what you like about the Hindu gods, but as soon as you touch Islam and you begin to wonder whether Mohammed was such a peaceful person, character, all **** breaks loose and you're completely ostracised and everyone is very angry with you."
Baroness Warsi is quoted as saying "Maybe if he has the opportunity to do so, he would explain whether he thinks it appropriate for members to host the likes of Tommy Robinson within the precincts of this House at a time when there is an increased risk in relation to hate crime and members of the other House have been receiving hate letters."

Well considering he did, then I would say yes, he does.

Subsequently, Lord Pearson has invited Baroness Warsi to debate Tommy Robinson, though I won't be getting any popcorn just yet.
Here are the details of the invite.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/22/ukip-peer-invites-sayeeda-warsi-debate-tommy-robinson/

Why no hoohar over this?

Corbyn:-
“Tomorrow evening it will be my pleasure and my honour to host an event in parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking. And I’ve also invited friends from Hamas to come and speak as well. Unfortunately the Israelis would not allow them to travel here… The idea that [Hamas] should be labelled as a terrorist organisation by the British government is really a big, big historical mistake and I would invite the government to reconsider its position on this matter and start talking directly to Hamas and Hezbollah.”
Or this?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11754303/Jeremy-Corbyn-sips-coffee-with-comrades-Gerry-Adams-and-Martin-McGuiness-in-Parliament.html

The Darren Osborne case, guilty by association. What direct contact? Osborne told why he did what he did.



THAT to me, is bigotry
.

As is the following.


He incites violence and hatred. He isn’t daft enough to suggest it.

Wrong, he tells it as he sees it. He has never condoned violence.

Find an example. (With a please this time!)



At least he doesn't go around assaulting people for not having the same views as himself. (Just like bigots do)

He’s got people to do that for him.

I assume you have evidence to back that accusation up?

Or have you been reading this?

John Ferguson has excelled himself with this little ditty, it's a cracker. Ooh, there goes another rib!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/watch-supporters-chant-tommy-robinsons-12222642

I’ve noticed Islamaphobes love posting links and think that doing so proves them right.

The problem with Tommy Robinson’s crusade is amongst other things, that he confuses Muslim culture with that of India and Pakistan, both of which have a problem with rape and abuse of young women. He only focuses also on social problems that he ascribes to Muslims. Where’s his campaign against football coaches? His starting point is that he doesn’t like Muslims and that leads his agenda. If his starting point was he didn’t like child abuse he’d also look at abuse in children’s homes, by sports coaches, MPs etc.

By then focusing on problems and ascribing them to Muslims he creates hatred and fear.

And just a final point. What a wonderful get out it is to blame PC for not doing one’s job properly.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 08:50 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 06:33 AM) *
I’ve noticed Islamaphobes love posting links and think that doing so proves them right.

The problem with Tommy Robinson’s crusade is amongst other things, that he confuses Muslim culture with that of India and Pakistan, both of which have a problem with rape and abuse of young women. He only focuses also on social problems that he ascribes to Muslims. Where’s his campaign against football coaches? His starting point is that he doesn’t like Muslims and that leads his agenda. If his starting point was he didn’t like child abuse he’d also look at abuse in children’s homes, by sports coaches, MPs etc.

By then focusing on problems and ascribing them to Muslims he creates hatred and fear.

And just a final point. What a wonderful get out it is to blame PC for not doing one’s job properly.


Utter denial

Posted by: newres Mar 23 2018, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 23 2018, 08:50 AM) *
Utter denial

Sorry but it’s hard to take seriously someone who puts on a Rangers shirt and taunts catholics or who goes to show solidarity with a moron who, on total disrespect for the millions that died fighting Nazisim has taught his dog to raise its paw when he shouts Sieg Heil. Tommy Robinson is a thug hero. I hope you’re proud.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 02:04 PM

I see that the religion of peace, understanding and kindness held yet another little demonstration of that in Trebes today. I thought to myself, now there's something you don't see everyday, except! dry.gif

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 02:22 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 02:04 PM) *
I see that the religion of peace, understanding and kindness held yet another little demonstration of that in Trebes today. I thought to myself, now there's something you don't see everyday, except! dry.gif



Sshhh, nothing to do with you know what.

Posted by: newres Mar 23 2018, 02:38 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 23 2018, 02:22 PM) *
Sshhh, nothing to do with you know what.

Did you dress up when you went to listen to Tommy?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 02:39 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 10:57 AM) *
Sorry but it’s hard to take seriously someone who puts on a Rangers shirt and taunts catholics or who goes to show solidarity with a moron who, on total disrespect for the millions that died fighting Nazisim has taught his dog to raise its paw when he shouts Sieg Heil. Tommy Robinson is a thug hero. I hope you’re proud.

It's odd that people dressing up in black with scarves over their face smashing their way into meetings, assaulting people, trying to get free speech banned and the free press closed is Nazism. Yet when the left do it it's called momentum! It's also laughable that the left never discuss the millions who were slaughtered by the far left. Umm, bias much?

Posted by: newres Mar 23 2018, 02:47 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 02:39 PM) *
It's odd that people dressing up in black with scarves over their face smashing their way into meetings, assaulting people, trying to get free speech banned and the free press closed is Nazism. Yet when the left do it it's called momentum! It's also laughable that the left never discuss the millions who were slaughtered by the far left. Umm, bias much?

Stalin? Worse than Hitler, but we weren't at war with him so it wasn't our people that died, plus it's pretty rare for anyone to be a Stalinist and rarer still that a mainstream politician would turn up st support one.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 02:48 PM

https://imgflip.com/i/26zk15https://imgflip.com/memegenerator

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 02:49 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 02:47 PM) *
Stalin? Worse than Hitler, but we weren't at war with him so it wasn't our people that died, plus it's pretty rare for anyone to be a Stalinist and rarer still that a mainstream politician would turn up st support one.

What about Mao? How many died under his shift?

Posted by: newres Mar 23 2018, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 02:49 PM) *
What about Mao? How many died under his shift?

But I'm not defending him. You're defending Hitler by throwing in "whataboutisms".

Posted by: newres Mar 23 2018, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 02:48 PM) *
https://imgflip.com/i/26zk15https://imgflip.com/memegenerator

Is there a prize?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 03:11 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 02:59 PM) *
But I'm not defending him. You're defending Hitler by throwing in "whataboutisms".

Not at all, Hitler was indefensible. But I repeat my question about comrade Mao.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 23 2018, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 02:47 PM) *
Stalin? Worse than Hitler, but we weren't at war with him so it wasn't our people that died, plus it's pretty rare for anyone to be a Stalinist and rarer still that a mainstream politician would turn up st support one.

I think the word you're looking for is Communist.

Posted by: newres Mar 23 2018, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 03:11 PM) *
Not at all, Hitler was indefensible. But I repeat my question about comrade Mao.

So what did you think of Tommy turning up to show solidarity with the guy that taught his dog to salute to Sieg Heil. Or shouting abuse at Celtic fans?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 05:07 PM

Try just answering the question, just once.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 02:38 PM) *
Did you dress up when you went to listen to Tommy?



Yes, I did thank you, it was a really cold day so I wrapped up well. The walk into snowy Newbury to catch the train was an experience I hadn't had for a long time, thoroughly enjoyable.
Unfortunately, I left my bag behind. The one with the mask, baseball bat and pepper spray in it. Oh, and my sandwiches that mom made for me the night before.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 07:05 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 04:51 PM) *
So what did you think of Tommy turning up to show solidarity with the guy that taught his dog to salute to Sieg Heil. Or shouting abuse at Celtic fans?



Did you ever use the word subjective?

I thought it was hilarious, so funny.

So did Ricky Gervais and David Baddiel to name a couple.

You might also try watching an independent reporter who has no agenda. He simply tells the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 23 2018, 07:11 PM

I'm quite concerned, just what are the dogs plans? Will he be invading the low countries, if so when? Will we need to mobilize an army of Collie dogs to fight off an invasion? Will our Labrador get called up? We should be told!

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 07:19 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 23 2018, 07:11 PM) *
I'm quite concerned, just what are the dogs plans? Will he be invading the low countries, if so when? Will we need to mobilize an army of Collie dogs to fight of an invasion? Will our Labrador get called up? We should be told!



He has now entered the realms of infamy equal to the Iraqi Information Minister.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 23 2018, 07:28 PM

Tiddles the cat is now hiding under the sofa. When will someone do something?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 23 2018, 07:33 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 23 2018, 07:19 PM) *
He has now entered the realms of infamy equal to the Iraqi Information Minister.

I think I spotted newres...

https://mobile.twitter.com/DanielBostock4/status/975786642979028992/video/1


Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 02:49 PM) *
What about Mao? How many died under his shift?

Bump

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 04:51 PM) *
Or shouting abuse at Celtic fans?

Obviously never watched a game at Ibrox park!

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 08:32 PM

It appears Mr Stephen Fry, our national treasure, has positively acknowledged the independent journalist that reported on the recent conviction of a Panzer driving PUG. Ha....Hall.... Halal.... Heil Frau Fry, Heil Frau Fry.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 08:35 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 08:30 PM) *
Obviously never watched a game at Ibrox park!



Or any other football ground at some time or other.

Come on Newres, answer the facts I stated. You have an opportunity.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 23 2018, 08:47 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 23 2018, 08:35 PM) *
Or any other football ground at some time or other.

Come on Newres, answer the facts I stated. You have an opportunity.


He is drinking soy and trawling the internet for offensive pugs.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 08:59 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 23 2018, 04:51 PM) *
So what did you think of Tommy turning up to show solidarity with the guy that taught his dog to salute to Sieg Heil. Or shouting abuse at Celtic fans?



You omitted "Gas the Jews".
I can only assume you think a dog trained to do something it has no concept of as being more a a slur than antisemitism.
Poor poor Celtic fans.

Psst, you still have an opportunity to answer the facts of life in the UK atm.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 23 2018, 09:04 PM

Pugs unt Panzers?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 09:17 PM

https://imgflip.com/i/270kcohttps://imgflip.com/memegenerator

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 09:43 PM

Ooh, the left, goota luv it:

"Jeremy Corbyn has said he regrets not looking more carefully at an allegedly anti-Semitic image before giving his apparent support to the artist responsible for it."

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 23 2018, 09:50 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 09:43 PM) *
Ooh, the left, goota luv it:

"Jeremy Corbyn has said he regrets not looking more carefully at an allegedly anti-Semitic image before giving his apparent support to the artist responsible for it."


Those are the rules. Jews bad. Muslims good.

https://jordanbpeterson.com/psychology/on-the-so-called-jewish-question/

An interesting article from the man who took cathy newman apart on c4.




Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 09:53 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 09:17 PM) *
https://imgflip.com/i/270kcohttps://imgflip.com/memegenerator



Spider pug spider pug
Does whatever a spider pug does
Can he spin from a website
No he can't cos he’s a pug
Look out
He is a spider pug

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 23 2018, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 02:49 PM) *
What about Mao? How many died under his shift?

Bumpy thing.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 23 2018, 10:22 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 23 2018, 02:04 PM) *
I see that the religion of peace, understanding and kindness held yet another little demonstration of that in Trebes today. I thought to myself, now there's something you don't see everyday, except! dry.gif



Guns are not the only weapon being used.
[attachment=265:Barrels.jpg]

Anyone who even thinks of denying the common denominator in all this despicable behavior is beyond help.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 23 2018, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 23 2018, 10:22 PM) *
Guns are not the only weapon being used.
[attachment=265:Barrels.jpg]

Anyone who even thinks of denying the common denominator in all this despicable behavior is beyond help.


But what about football coaches and jimmy saville? Surely that excuses it???😱

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2018, 02:29 AM

A rather good piece on 'pug gate' here, read it all though.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula-freedom-of-speech-comedy-joke-iran-offended-a8270631.html

Posted by: newres Mar 24 2018, 06:29 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 24 2018, 02:29 AM) *
A rather good piece on 'pug gate' here, read it all though.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/count-dankula-freedom-of-speech-comedy-joke-iran-offended-a8270631.html

The reason I mentioned that is nothing to do with freedom of speech. It’s to do with Tommy Robinson choosing that opportunity to defend it. I’ll bet if it was a Muslim training his dog to do something ridiculous when the “comedian “ shouted Aluha Akbar you’d all gave a different attitude. No?

I think I’m going to leave you lot to play a while. I don’t think I’d realised quite the extent to which you lot have become radicalised.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2018, 10:27 AM

Nooo! Don't go, I haven't laughed so much in ages! laugh.gif There's noone else around as Dumn as you.

Posted by: newres Mar 24 2018, 10:45 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 24 2018, 10:27 AM) *
Nooo! Don't go, I haven't laughed so much in ages! laugh.gif There's noone else around as Dumn as you.

Spelling wise, you're pretty "dumn". laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2018, 11:35 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 24 2018, 10:45 AM) *
Spelling wise, you're pretty "dumn". laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Early morning case of 'phat phingers' laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2018, 11:36 AM

Still haven't answered my question on Mao? Still waiting.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 24 2018, 11:42 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 24 2018, 06:29 AM) *
The reason I mentioned that is nothing to do with freedom of speech. It’s to do with Tommy Robinson choosing that opportunity to defend it. I’ll bet if it was a Muslim training his dog to do something ridiculous when the “comedian “ shouted Aluha Akbar you’d all gave a different attitude. No?

I think I’m going to leave you lot to play a while. I don’t think I’d realised quite the extent to which you lot have become radicalised.


Watchout chaps.. Newres will be calling the thought police. Be smashing your front door down at 6am for daring to criticise the religion of peace. He's run off now. Thats what libtards do.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2018, 11:51 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 24 2018, 11:42 AM) *
Watchout chaps.. Newres will be calling the thought police. Be smashing your front door down at 6am for daring to criticise the religion of peace. He's run off now. Thats what libtards do.

If he had actually read that thought provoking article he would have seen the writer actually said he found Robinson repugnant, he did however defend the comics right to free speech. It's odd that a comic can be jailed for this yet jihahdist preachers are defended while they harangue the public in Finsbury.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2018, 12:04 PM

I was immensely saddened to hear of the death of Arnaud Beltrame this morning, in a world where everyone seems to be referred to as a 'hero' this brave man personified the term. I restrain myself from political point scoring in this post but it angers me that in America a gun toting guard can hide while a gunman rampages through a school while this man willingly sacrifices himself to a terrorist.
And Americans call the French cowards.

Posted by: Mr Brown Mar 24 2018, 12:28 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 24 2018, 12:04 PM) *
I was immensely saddened to hear of the death of Arnaud Beltrame this morning, in a world where everyone seems to be referred to as a 'hero' this brave man personified the term. I restrain myself from political point scoring in this post but it angers me that in America a gun toting guard can hide while a gunman rampages through a school while this man willingly sacrifices himself to a terrorist.
And Americans call the French cowards.


Do they? First time I've ever heard that one and I lived in the States for five years back in my teenage years.

Posted by: newres Mar 24 2018, 12:43 PM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Mar 24 2018, 12:28 PM) *
Do they? First time I've ever heard that one and I lived in the States for five years back in my teenage years.

The phrase was “cheese eating surrender monkeys”. A reference to WW 2 I presume.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2018, 12:47 PM

It mainly refers to the refusal of France to take part in the second Iraq war. We were treated to edifying reports of French fries being renamed as freedom fries, and French wine being poured away. Kind of what you expect from a bunch of gun toting rednecks called Bubba.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2018, 01:00 PM

"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys", sometimes shortened to "surrender monkeys", is a pejorative term for French people. It was coined in 1995 by Ken Keeler, a writer for the television series The Simpsons.
popular.

"Jonah Goldberg, an American National Review journalist, used it as the title of an April 1999 column called "Top Ten Reasons to Hate the French". In the run-up to and during the Iraq War, Goldberg reprised it to criticize European nations and France in particular for not joining the United States in its invasion and occupation of Iraq."

An example of its use,
"Anthony Bourdain 'Kitchen Confidential' 2000. 'He was kind of famous; he was big and black; most important, he was an American, one of us, not some cheese-eating, surrender specialist Froggie.'

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 24 2018, 01:03 PM

From Wikipedia:

Despite a large French contribution to the 1991 Iraq Gulf War (called Operation Daguet) and the French presence in Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom), the opposition of French President Jacques Chirac to the 2003 Iraq War led to a significant rise in anti-French sentiment in the United States,[18] epitomized by a movement to rename french fries to freedom fries.[19] In March 2003, the cafeteria of the United States House of Representatives had its French fries and French toast renamed to freedom fries and toast, at the direction of Representatives Bob Ney (R-Ohio) and Walter Jones (R-North Carolina). Representative Ney chaired the Committee on House Administration and had authority over the menu in the House cafeteria.[20]

The freedom fries renaming was not without controversy or opposition. Timothy Noah of Slate noted that the move was "meant to demonize France for its exasperating refusal to support a war against Iraq". He compared the 2003 renamings to the renaming of all things German in World War I, but argued that the freedom fries episode was even worse because "Germany, after all, was America's enemy, whereas France is America's NATO ally."[21] The episode occurred despite the fact that neither french fries nor french toast are typically French (see origins of french fries and french toast), with American people and politicians being driven intentionally or unintentionally by the name confusion.

The swell of anti-French sentiment in the United States resulting from 2003 episode was marked.[22] Various media personalities and politicians openly expressed anti-French sentiments;[23] News Corporation's media outlets, particularly the Fox Entertainment Group's Fox News Network, were specifically implicated in a campaign fanning francophobia at the time of the war.[24][25]

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2018, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 24 2018, 12:04 PM) *
I was immensely saddened to hear of the death of Arnaud Beltrame this morning, in a world where everyone seems to be referred to as a 'hero' this brave man personified the term. I restrain myself from political point scoring in this post but it angers me that in America a gun toting guard can hide while a gunman rampages through a school while this man willingly sacrifices himself to a terrorist.
And Americans call the French cowards.

A sad end for a brave policeman.

Posted by: newres Mar 24 2018, 04:09 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 24 2018, 01:20 PM) *
A sad end for a brave policeman.

Agreed. An incredibly brave man.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 24 2018, 04:57 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 24 2018, 01:04 PM) *
while this man willingly sacrifices himself to a terrorist.

Or "gunman" as the BBC refers to him. tongue.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 24 2018, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 24 2018, 04:57 PM) *
Or "gunman" as the BBC refers to him. tongue.gif

Just as the BBC referred to the Parsons Green bomber as a "Surrey Teenager".... 😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 24 2018, 07:28 PM

Point of view from a Sikh.

https://youtu.be/AYX4U6keyOI

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 06:09 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 24 2018, 05:57 PM) *
Or "gunman" as the BBC refers to him. tongue.gif

What did he use then?

Posted by: Mr Brown Mar 25 2018, 07:30 AM

Incredible. I don't live in Newbury anymore, this thread in particular, makes me very glad about that. Some advertisement!

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 25 2018, 08:30 AM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Mar 25 2018, 08:30 AM) *
Incredible. I don't live in Newbury anymore, this thread in particular, makes me very glad about that. Some advertisement!

Just Newbury then?
All nice and sweet everywhere else is it?
From what I've seen of f/b / twit / utub etc. (no I don't subscribe to them!) all the stuff on here is distinctly mild!!

Posted by: x2lls Mar 25 2018, 09:43 AM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Mar 25 2018, 07:30 AM) *
Incredible. I don't live in Newbury anymore, this thread in particular, makes me very glad about that. Some advertisement!



Try this
Google local newspaper forums
Choose any local forum
I selected two in seconds.
First was Sheffield, the second was the Isle of Man
Search Islam

Don't ever go to Sheffield or the Isle of Man.

http://www.manxforums.com/forums/index.php?/search/&q=islam&start_after=any

https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/search.php?searchid=33329017

ohmy.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 09:52 AM

Yeah but, IOM? That's understandable really, bit like Essex, all got six fingers and webbed toes.

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 25 2018, 09:30 AM) *
Just Newbury then?
All nice and sweet everywhere else is it?
From what I've seen of f/b / twit / utub etc. (no I don't subscribe to them!) all the stuff on here is distinctly mild!!

There aren’t many Muslims for you to hate here though.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 10:02 AM

Do you have an answer yet newres on friend Mao?

Posted by: x2lls Mar 25 2018, 10:15 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 25 2018, 10:02 AM) *
Do you have an answer yet newres on friend Mao?


Don't expect one.

None of the individual points I or others have made have been challenged or discussed.
All you get is a deflection from the actual topic in hand. Always a preference to attack the messenger.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 10:57 AM

Typical snowflake.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 25 2018, 11:50 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 25 2018, 11:15 AM) *
Don't expect one.

None of the individual points I or others have made have been challenged or discussed.
All you get is a deflection from the actual topic in hand. Always a preference to attack the messenger.


Defending the indefensible is always going to be an uphill struggle which is why the slightly myopic refuse to engage in open debate. I, for one, would love to see all sides engaged in a meaningful dialogue but we all know the arrival of little green men from Zog has a better chance of occuring.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2018, 12:37 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 25 2018, 12:50 PM) *
Defending the indefensible is always going to be an uphill struggle which is why the slightly myopic refuse to engage in open debate. I, for one, would love to see all sides engaged in a meaningful dialogue but we all know the arrival of little green men from Zog has a better chance of occuring.


Perhaps newres could enlighten us with his views on what to do about fundamentalism, both religious and political that is both fair and balanced?

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 01:22 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 25 2018, 01:37 PM) *
Perhaps newres could enlighten us with his views on what to do about fundamentalism, both religious and political that is both fair and balanced?

Well we tolerate fundamentalism it on here.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2018, 01:36 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 02:22 PM) *
Well we tolerate fundamentalism it on here.

Ask a sensible question Again no answer. Im sensing a pattern.😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 01:43 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 25 2018, 01:36 PM) *
Ask a sensible question Again no answer. Im sensing a pattern.😂

I'm sensing a troll with no argument left.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2018, 02:37 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 25 2018, 02:43 PM) *
I'm sensing a troll with no argument left.

Any idea what fundamentalism IT is? 😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 03:10 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 24 2018, 10:45 AM) *
Spelling wise, you're pretty "dumn". laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Indeedy doodie!

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 25 2018, 02:36 PM) *
Ask a sensible question Again no answer. Im sensing a pattern.😂

Well let’s swap the word fundamental for radical. Frankly anyone that travels 150 miles round trip to listen to the nation’s most famous Muslim hater speak is a radical and as the rest seem to agree with those radical views I think that makes you radical right wingers too. We tolerate your hatred so why shouldn’t we tolerate the hate from extreme Muslims.

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 04:53 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 25 2018, 11:02 AM) *
Do you have an answer yet newres on friend Mao?

What was the question? Was it what about Mao? If so, what about him? I don't see what you're asking.

I'm not a communist or a socialist so it's not really for me to defend him. What about Hitler?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2018, 05:05 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 05:36 PM) *
Well let’s swap the word fundamental for radical. Frankly anyone that travels 150 miles round trip to listen to the nation’s most famous Muslim hater speak is a radical and as the rest seem to agree with those radical views I think that makes you radical right wingers too. We tolerate your hatred so why shouldn’t we tolerate the hate from extreme Muslims.

What is hate? Please define your view. Is protest now hate? Unkess it conforms to thr newres view. You remind me of cathy newman. For the birds...

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 05:19 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 25 2018, 06:05 PM) *
What is hate? Please define your view. Is protest now hate? Unkess it conforms to thr newres view. You remind me of cathy newman. For the birds...

What was the protest against?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2018, 05:32 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 06:19 PM) *
What was the protest against?

Any protest, as long as it is none violent, in my view should be allowed as long as it is not calling for death and destruction. That includes Muslims calling for an Islamic state and right wing groups calling for all Muslims to be deported. You find a pug offensive. Hope you are just as critical of Ricky Gervais.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rickygervais/status/977575798482849792




Posted by: x2lls Mar 25 2018, 06:04 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 05:19 PM) *
What was the protest against?



Ouch, there goes another rib.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 06:07 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 04:53 PM) *
What was the question? Was it what about Mao? If so, what about him? I don't see what you're asking.

I'm not a communist or a socialist so it's not really for me to defend him. What about Hitler?

I asked you how many people died under his 'shift'. And what about Hitler? We've already decided his actions and his thoughts were indefensible. Please pay attention.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 06:12 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 04:36 PM) *
Well let’s swap the word fundamental for radical. Frankly anyone that travels 150 miles round trip to listen to the nation’s most famous Muslim hater speak is a radical and as the rest seem to agree with those radical views I think that makes you radical right wingers too. We tolerate your hatred so why shouldn’t we tolerate the hate from extreme Muslims.

Soo, presumably this little ditty passed under the 'hate speech' radar on newres world then?

https://youtu.be/9FGYzZ7sNvY

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 06:29 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 25 2018, 07:07 PM) *
I asked you how many people died under his 'shift'. And what about Hitler? We've already decided his actions and his thoughts were indefensible. Please pay attention.


I’ve no idea. Next?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 06:29 PM) *
I’ve no idea. Next?

So if I said that Mao envisaged that "one-tenth of the peasants" (or about 50,000,000) "would have to be destroyed" to facilitate agrarian reform, would that horrify you?

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 25 2018, 07:33 PM) *
So if I said that Mao envisaged that "one-tenth of the peasants" (or about 50,000,000) "would have to be destroyed" to facilitate agrarian reform, would that horrify you?

Yawn. I'm not a communist. Just because I don't like racism and am opposed to Brexit, it doesn't make me a communist. Unless Richan Benyon's a communist too?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 06:47 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 06:37 PM) *
Yawn. I'm not a communist. Just because I don't like racism and am opposed to Brexit, it doesn't make me a communist. Unless Richan Benyon's a communist too?

So it doesn't disturb you then. That a socialist leader was prepared to sacrifice 50 million of his own people for reform?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2018, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 07:37 PM) *
Yawn. I'm not a communist. Just because I don't like racism and am opposed to Brexit, it doesn't make me a communist. Unless Richan Benyon's a communist too?

I hold you in as much regard as Benyon. Beleive me. That is an insult.😂

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 25 2018, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 10:54 AM) *
There aren’t many Muslims for you to hate here though.

Thar's a strange response to my comment!
Who mentioned muslims?
Seems like you have a fixation there?

But....... seeing as you raised it, have you been down Pound Street on Friday lunchtime?
(Just contradicting the "aren't many" bit. The "hate" bit you have made up yourself!)

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 25 2018, 08:50 PM) *
Thar's a strange response to my comment!
Who mentioned muslims?
Seems like you have a fixation there?

But....... seeing as you raised it, have you been down Pound Street on Friday lunchtime?
(Just contradicting the "aren't many" bit. The "hate" bit you have made up yourself!)

Must really piss you off on a Friday.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2018, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Mar 25 2018, 08:50 PM) *
Thar's a strange response to my comment!
Who mentioned muslims?
Seems like you have a fixation there?

But....... seeing as you raised it, have you been down Pound Street on Friday lunchtime?
(Just contradicting the "aren't many" bit. The "hate" bit you have made up yourself!)



You've done it now biker.... Newres has put you in his book.😂

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 25 2018, 06:47 PM) *
So it doesn't disturb you then. That a socialist leader was prepared to sacrifice 50 million of his own people for reform?

Come on newres, answer the question.

Posted by: newres Mar 25 2018, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 25 2018, 09:15 PM) *
Come on newres, answer the question.

I’m not getting your premise. Why are you asking me? If I’m honest it seems distant. Obviously I’m aware of the cultural revolution and I’m not sure of how it ties in with what you are saying, but how can I be disturbed by something I know nothing about? I think you’re just being silly.

Posted by: Biker1 Mar 25 2018, 09:01 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Mar 25 2018, 09:09 PM) *
You've done it now biker.... Newres has put you in his book.😂

I think that happened quite a while ago!! laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Mar 25 2018, 09:01 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 09:07 PM) *
Must really piss you off on a Friday.

😂 What line of work are you in newres? Just wonder?? Don't want specifics...

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 25 2018, 09:04 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 25 2018, 08:56 PM) *
I’m not getting your premise. Why are you asking me? If I’m honest it seems distant. Obviously I’m aware of the cultural revolution and I’m not sure of how it ties in with what you are saying, but how can I be disturbed by something I know nothing about? I think you’re just being silly.

But you support a new socialist regime, I and I just wondered if you actually know anything about it, you keep asking about Hitler, and that was even further away. So you either don't know or, don't care about the cost of socialism.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 30 2018, 12:31 AM

And it still goes on..

Telford abuse: 'I want to kill my son's groomers' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-43586131

Some people just don't get it do they.

Posted by: SirWilliam Mar 31 2018, 08:24 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43601925

I see these two despicable examples of homo sapiens are complaining about a lack of a fair trial, (bit like their victims one could add), so what's the betting we will capitulate to lefty pressure and spend taxpayers money on "defending" them. angry.gif

Maybe we could hand them over to the ruskies as a "goodwill" gesture? I am sure they would treat them with the humanity they deserve.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 31 2018, 09:19 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Mar 31 2018, 09:24 AM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43601925

I see these two despicable examples of homo sapiens are complaining about a lack of a fair trial, (bit like their victims one could add), so what's the betting we will capitulate to lefty pressure and spend taxpayers money on "defending" them. angry.gif

Maybe we could hand them over to the ruskies as a "goodwill" gesture? I am sure they would treat them with the humanity they deserve.


They are not very popular on Twitter!

And they have already lost citizenship, so unless it is revoked through some sort of appeal process, good riddance. Just a shame I have to share oxygen with them.

Posted by: x2lls Mar 31 2018, 09:57 AM

Doesn't sound very brown shirt to me.

Find fault with anything said by either man, if you can.
Another well researched, unbiased interviewer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7yeJmy4E2c

There are dozens more which give a completely different story the MSM and the authorities would have you believe.


Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 31 2018, 05:11 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Mar 31 2018, 10:19 AM) *
They are not very popular on Twitter!

And they have already lost citizenship, so unless it is revoked through some sort of appeal process, good riddance. Just a shame I have to share oxygen with them.

Liberal celebrity leeches are queing up to represent these vermin as I type. Before you can say pond life they'll be in blighty living the easy life at our expense. Never fails. They should receive a good, long, fair trial. Then led away for execution.

Posted by: newres Mar 31 2018, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 31 2018, 06:11 PM) *
Liberal celebrity leeches are queing up to represent these vermin as I type. Before you can say pond life they'll be in blighty living the easy life at our expense. Never fails. They should receive a good, long, fair trial. Then led away for execution.

So angry. Why?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Mar 31 2018, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 31 2018, 07:35 PM) *
So angry. Why?

Err, perhaps because these scum tortured and murdered people in the most horrific way, yet you and your snowflake friends somehow want to protect them. What does that say about you? Cooking up a nice bomb in your mums kitchen? Walter?

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 31 2018, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Mar 31 2018, 08:16 PM) *
Err, perhaps because these scum tortured and murdered people in the most horrific way, yet you and your snowflake friends somehow want to protect them. What does that say about you? Cooking up a nice bomb in your mums kitchen? Walter?

He probably wants to sit them down with a teddy bear and ask them where the nasty imperialist touched them.

Posted by: newres Mar 31 2018, 08:32 PM

The question is, did reading the Daily Mail make you angry or do you read the Daily Mail because you’re angry.

Posted by: Turin Machine Mar 31 2018, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 31 2018, 09:32 PM) *
The question is, did reading the Daily Mail make you angry or do you read the Daily Mail because you’re angry.

Repetion, fhail!

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 1 2018, 09:22 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Mar 31 2018, 07:35 PM) *
So angry. Why?

It's OK to be angry occasionally. It's the natural way.
If nothing makes you angry then you live in a false world.
Took me half hour to get out of Sainsbury's car park yesterday! angry.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 1 2018, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 1 2018, 10:22 AM) *
It's OK to be angry occasionally. It's the natural way.
If nothing makes you angry then you live in a false world.
Took me half hour to get out of Sainsbury's car park yesterday! angry.gif

Sainsburist. You intolerant bstd!! I suppose you will be hanging out again with your Tesco mates..

Posted by: Biker1 Apr 1 2018, 03:23 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 1 2018, 10:59 AM) *
Sainsburist. You intolerant bstd!! I suppose you will be hanging out again with your Tesco mates..

Didn't say I was shopping there!! laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 1 2018, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 1 2018, 04:23 PM) *
Didn't say I was shopping there!! laugh.gif


Have to admit I was probably the car in front of you. Not entirely sure why the great unwashed deem it necessary to clear the shelves at the thought that their supplier may be closed for 24 hours but as a few on here are quick to point out, I know nothing.

Maybe they wanted their daily mail. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: newres Apr 1 2018, 04:21 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 1 2018, 05:16 PM) *
Have to admit I was probably the car in front of you. Not entirely sure why the great unwashed deem it necessary to clear the shelves at the thought that their supplier may be closed for 24 hours but as a few on here are quick to point out, I know nothing.

Maybe they wanted their daily mail. rolleyes.gif

Alright for you to do it though. laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 1 2018, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 1 2018, 05:21 PM) *
Alright for you to do it though. laugh.gif


A loaf of bread and a pork chop hardly constitutes a run on stock, and had I been aware of the traffic I would have walked. wink.gif

Posted by: newres Apr 1 2018, 05:08 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 1 2018, 05:28 PM) *
A loaf of bread and a pork chop hardly constitutes a run on stock, and had I been aware of the traffic I would have walked. wink.gif

Oh yes get it, my loaf of bread and pork chop won’t do any harm!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 2 2018, 11:54 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Apr 1 2018, 06:08 PM) *
Oh yes get it, my loaf of bread and pork chop won’t do any harm!

Anti semetism.

Posted by: Strafin Apr 4 2018, 01:22 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Mar 31 2018, 06:11 PM) *
Liberal celebrity leeches are queing up to represent these vermin as I type. Before you can say pond life they'll be in blighty living the easy life at our expense. Never fails. They should receive a good, long, fair trial. Then led away for execution.

Are they?

Care to name any and back it up?

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