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> Motorist takes Highways Agency to Court re J13 diversion, Couldn't find diversion route to Reading
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post Jan 28 2018, 08:05 AM
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80 year old motorist complains J13 diversion signs to J12 (M4) were unclear:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/910719/UK...Charles-Stenner
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post Jan 28 2018, 09:38 AM
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Shouldn't be driving.


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post Jan 28 2018, 01:33 PM
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I am to a degree sympathetic as I vividly remember arriving back at Luton airport in the early hours , religiously following the diversion signs only to arrive back at the airport. At this point common sense kicked in so I ignored their signs and took a logical route.
These sort of incidents only lend credence to retesting the over 50's which will reduce the traffic volumes and put public transport under more pressure.


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post Jan 28 2018, 02:04 PM
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So he came off the M4 and couldn't find the A4? Really? Wonders whether he can find his own **** with two hands, a map and a torch!


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post Jan 28 2018, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 28 2018, 01:33 PM) *
I am to a degree sympathetic as I vividly remember arriving back at Luton airport in the early hours , religiously following the diversion signs only to arrive back at the airport. At this point common sense kicked in so I ignored their signs and took a logical route.
These sort of incidents only lend credence to retesting the over 50's which will reduce the traffic volumes and put public transport under more pressure.


Yes, wouldn't disagree. I liked the line taken the Highways Agency saying they did this in consultation with the Local Authority. Presumably that means WBC whose very own traffic signage has been criticised and found wanting by the courts!


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post Jan 28 2018, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 28 2018, 03:07 PM) *
Yes, wouldn't disagree. I liked the line taken the Highways Agency saying they did this in consultation with the Local Authority. Presumably that means WBC whose very own traffic signage has been criticised and found wanting by the courts!

It is becoming increasingly difficult to navigate places these days.
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post Jan 28 2018, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 28 2018, 04:29 PM) *
It is becoming increasingly difficult to navigate places these days.

Places, and in your case at least, speed limits.


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post Jan 28 2018, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 28 2018, 04:58 PM) *
Places, and in your case at least, speed limits.

I doubt you have never exceeded the speed limit either.
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post Jan 28 2018, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 28 2018, 08:03 PM) *
I doubt you have never exceeded the speed limit either.

never had points, OR lost a licence.


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post Jan 28 2018, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 28 2018, 09:18 PM) *
never had points, OR lost a licence.

I’ve never lost a licence either.
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post Jan 29 2018, 09:13 AM
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Now I may be being VERY old fashioned here but there are these old manuscripts that are surprisingly still readily available called MAPS!.
Not expensive and can be carried even in modern vehicles to supplement the obligatory satnav.

Give them a try!!!! tongue.gif
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post Jan 29 2018, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jan 29 2018, 09:13 AM) *
Now I may be being VERY old fashioned here but there are these old manuscripts that are surprisingly still readily available called MAPS!.
Not expensive and can be carried even in modern vehicles to supplement the obligatory satnav.

Give them a try!!!! tongue.gif

Not so good when there are diversions.
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post Jan 29 2018, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 29 2018, 09:18 AM) *
Not so good when there diversions.


Au contraire my good fellow. The great advantage of a map is that one can navigate a town easily despite diversions , one way systems and new roads that have sprung up over night.
Sat navs are for people who can't read.


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post Jan 29 2018, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 29 2018, 11:53 AM) *
Au contraire my good fellow. The great advantage of a map is that one can navigate a town easily despite diversions , one way systems and new roads that have sprung up over night.
Sat navs are for people who can't read.



There are map apps which replace paper.
Either way, a SatNav with voice will enable the driver to continue to travel, as opposed to stopping to read maps.


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post Jan 29 2018, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jan 29 2018, 11:53 AM) *
Au contraire my good fellow. The great advantage of a map is that one can navigate a town easily despite diversions , one way systems and new roads that have sprung up over night.
Sat navs are for people who can't read.

Perhaps one can perch it on their knees when driving. Just make sure you have an up-to-date one. tongue.gif
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post Jan 29 2018, 01:46 PM
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Ah, so it was all the drivers fault. Given the undoubted expert advice freely offered here, one might indeed question why the Highways Agency even bothered to sign the diversion at all. The work involved in planning and execution is a significant cost; which could be avoided if only the drivers took heed of sound advice.


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post Jan 29 2018, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 29 2018, 01:31 PM) *
Perhaps one can perch it on their knees when driving. Just make sure you have an up-to-date one. tongue.gif

laugh.gif Driving advice, from 'Mr Speedy' laugh.gif


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post Jan 29 2018, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 29 2018, 01:46 PM) *
Ah, so it was all the drivers fault. Given the undoubted expert advice freely offered here, one might indeed question why the Highways Agency even bothered to sign the diversion at all. The work involved in planning and execution is a significant cost; which could be avoided if only the drivers took heed of sound advice.

But they did sign it, and publicize it, and out of the thousands that have used the diversion, one has complained about getting lost. Not science is it.


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post Jan 29 2018, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 29 2018, 03:40 PM) *
But they did sign it, and publicize it, and out of the thousands that have used the diversion, one has complained about getting lost. Not science is it.


Just follow the car in front, works for me. cool.gif


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post Jan 29 2018, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 29 2018, 10:18 AM) *
Not so good when there are diversions.

Yes they are! They are ideal when there are diversions. tongue.gif

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jan 29 2018, 02:46 PM) *
Ah, so it was all the drivers fault.

Correct!! rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 29 2018, 02:31 PM) *
Perhaps one can perch it on their knees when driving.

No, that would be silly and dangerous. Perhaps just pull over and check if you need to?
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jan 29 2018, 02:31 PM) *
Just make sure you have an up-to-date one. tongue.gif

Good idea to make sure they are not too out of date. They are not expensive. Satnavs go out of date too!
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