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Berkshirelad
post Nov 24 2011, 08:52 PM
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I note in NWN that the proposed public sector strike may, among other things, cause bins not to be emptied.

Why? Waste collection is contracted out to a private company, who regardless of striking workers are contracted to to undertake bin emptying. If this means Veolia management out on the lorries, then so be it.
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post Nov 25 2011, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Nov 24 2011, 08:52 PM) *
I note in NWN that the proposed public sector strike may, among other things, cause bins not to be emptied.

Why? Waste collection is contracted out to a private company, who regardless of striking workers are contracted to to undertake bin emptying. If this means Veolia management out on the lorries, then so be it.


They will just leave the bins and not empty them! None of the lids were closed? rolleyes.gif

Apperetnly if the refuse collectors are running behind they just say didn't empty them the lids were not closed? rolleyes.gif


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post Nov 28 2011, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Nov 24 2011, 08:52 PM) *
I note in NWN that the proposed public sector strike may, among other things, cause bins not to be emptied.

Why? Waste collection is contracted out to a private company, who regardless of striking workers are contracted to to undertake bin emptying. If this means Veolia management out on the lorries, then so be it.


That is a true point; they are a private company paid for by the public sector so they are not allowed to strike. People strike first and actually consider the ramifications later. Shame really..
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post Nov 28 2011, 12:47 PM
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Quite simply Private Sector workers should not serve Public Sector workers if they strike.
If Private sector workers 'strike' they'll be out of a job.
See how Public Sector workers get on without going to the bank, supermarket and pub.
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post Nov 28 2011, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Nov 28 2011, 09:04 AM) *
That is a true point; they are a private company paid for by the public sector so they are not allowed to strike. People strike first and actually consider the ramifications later. Shame really..

What utter rot.

Those who work for private companies have exactly the same right to strike as most public sector workers (the exception being the public sector workers who are not allowed to strike - police, army, etc). If the Veolia workers are affected by the pension proposals (those transferred over from the LGA pension scheme may well be) and their union has balloted them on strike action and otherwise fulfilled the requirements of the law then they are within their rights to strike.

Actually it doesn't really matter what their reasons are as long as the union has followed the correct bureaucratic procedures.
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post Nov 28 2011, 02:21 PM
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Read what I said and then read your comment and wonder why I applied my palm to my face.

It's a private company which are performing work contracted to them by the public sector. The public sector strikes are not pertanant to a private sector employee. And if Mr Director can't keep control of his staff I'll be expecting him to empty my bin.

The point is striking is often selfish, for example the BA stuff. OK what happened to them was bad but when hundreds of thousands of people trying to get on holiday the strike people basically said "we don't care about them it's all about us and until we get what we want everyone else can bugger off".

Basically saying their needs and requirements are more important that those of thousands of people globally. Selfish, selfish people.
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post Nov 28 2011, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Nov 28 2011, 02:21 PM) *
The point is striking is often selfish, for example the BA stuff. OK what happened to them was bad but when hundreds of thousands of people trying to get on holiday the strike people basically said "we don't care about them it's all about us and until we get what we want everyone else can bugger off".

Basically saying their needs and requirements are more important that those of thousands of people globally. Selfish, selfish people.


I agree. How many private sector worked are going to be b****red about by striking teachers? They should withdraw all the concessions on pensions they have already offered them and hit em really hard. Stuff em.
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post Nov 28 2011, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 28 2011, 02:37 PM) *
I agree. How many private sector worked are going to be b****red about by striking teachers? They should withdraw all the concessions on pensions they have already offered them and hit em really hard. Stuff em.

Me too. This strike will only hurt the people that pay towards these selfish public sector workers pensions.
If you think of all of the people that this ill conceived strike hit it for all sorts of reasons is appalling. They get no sympathy from me.


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post Nov 28 2011, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 28 2011, 02:37 PM) *
I agree. How many private sector worked are going to be b****red about by striking teachers? They should withdraw all the concessions on pensions they have already offered them and hit em really hard. Stuff em.



Rather a lot - particularly those who have had to give up a day's leave or pay to look after them. Closing schools outside the usual timetable causes massive disruption. Particularly with those least able to make good; married women working part time. With their over generous holidays and quite respectable pay, not very wise of the teaching 'profession' to do this.


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post Nov 28 2011, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 28 2011, 12:47 PM) *
Quite simply Private Sector workers should not serve Public Sector workers if they strike.
If Private sector workers 'strike' they'll be out of a job.
See how Public Sector workers get on without going to the bank, supermarket and pub.
This is untrue.

BA cabin crew went on strike for 22 days.

Half of BT workers were going to go on strike until they got a 9% pay rise.

You can't be sacked for going on strike in the private or public sector (bar the exceptions someone else has already pointed out), if it's done legally.
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post Nov 28 2011, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 28 2011, 07:58 PM) *
You can't be sacked for going on strike in the private or public sector (bar the exceptions someone else has already pointed out), if it's done legally.

Yes, I'm afraid you can be sacked. In the situation you describe it'll be an automatic unfair dismissal and you can claim compensation from an Industrial Tribunal, though you might be surprised how little you end up with. It's not unknown for employers to sack their striking employees and then offer most of them their jobs back, as the cost of compensation is offset by the harsh terms the employeer dictates and a broken, compliant workforce, not to mention the inevitable de-unionisation that follows on a failed dispute.


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post Nov 28 2011, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Nov 28 2011, 10:00 PM) *
Yes, I'm afraid you can be sacked. In the situation you describe it'll be an automatic unfair dismissal and you can claim compensation from an Industrial Tribunal, though you might be surprised how little you end up with. It's not unknown for employers to sack their striking employees and then offer most of them their jobs back, as the cost of compensation is offset by the harsh terms the employeer dictates and a broken, compliant workforce, not to mention the inevitable de-unionisation that follows on a failed dispute.
As I understand it, if one's employers try to sack you in these circumstances, with automatic unfair dismissal you can request re-instatement which means you'll be back in your old job.
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post Nov 28 2011, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 28 2011, 10:11 PM) *
As I understand it, if one's employers try to sack you in these circumstances, with automatic unfair dismissal you can request re-instatement which means you'll be back in your old job.

Yes, it's technically possible for the tribunal to make an order, but in practice it's quite unusual. I think the tribunal tends to feel that the fundamental relationship has broken down and re-instatement isn't an option - essentially if the employer was in any way prepared to take the employee back they'd have done that already without taking things as far as an ET.


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post Nov 28 2011, 10:57 PM
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post Nov 29 2011, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE (Bofem @ Nov 28 2011, 10:57 PM) *
Divide and rule. Just what the Tories want

Yawn.
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post Nov 29 2011, 09:36 AM
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Divide and rule. Just what the Tories want


What about divide and conquer?

No-one expects the Spanish inquisition. laugh.gif
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post Nov 29 2011, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE (xjay1337 @ Nov 29 2011, 09:36 AM) *
What about divide and conquer?

No-one expects the Spanish inquisition. laugh.gif

Machiavelli was Itallian, not Spanish.


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post Nov 29 2011, 10:56 AM
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Are Public Sector workers that work tomorrow 'Scabs'? blink.gif
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post Nov 29 2011, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Nov 29 2011, 10:17 AM) *
Machiavelli was Itallian, not Spanish.


Well I'm playing Asassains Creed Brotherhood I should know that. dry.gif silly moment.
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post Nov 29 2011, 01:22 PM
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Comfy chair is on your dooooorstep,xjay
whilst you play.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Let alone citizens of the Holy Roman Empire.
Poor folk from the areas now known as Belgium
took a hammering. Smithfield saw a few burnings.

Back to strike action. I think it is wrong in these days.
Most people are supported if they fall off the radar.

My wife became ill in 2008, operated in UCLH
She made comments which were noted. NHS night agency staff at UCH,
Ignoring the buzzer overnight led to an emergency operation
in the CAT scan room. A 63 year old at the time. Not that old.
And a bright minded, Parliamentary Lobbyist. Not one to take things lightly.
There is a silly picture of me outside N0 10 . The police let me through and
a policeman took my photo by the Christmas Tree..

She was very cross when called to discuss how her 8 weeks in ICU
had gone. Sadly those 8 weeks after the nightime problem
were a morphine induced coma.


There is always a light side to a disaster. A younger sister insisted on visiting..
Took one look at a porly person and passed out! The nurse who are there 24 hrs
shouted press the red button. In less than a minute there were 10 specialists

She got a checking over as well. My lady was morphined out
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