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post Jan 8 2020, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 8 2020, 10:23 AM) *
You laugh but it's here that I think the left differ from the populist/Brexiters/Trumpians. I'd never vote for or support a candidate that lied and cheated. There's nothing in politics that takes precedence over honesty and integrity.


If you define a lie as a deliberate attempt to mislead and/or not tell the truth up front then I am completely in agreement with you. However, if circumstances change then I think that promised actions or stances should also be allowed to change.
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post Jan 8 2020, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 8 2020, 10:23 AM) *
You laugh but it's here that I think the left differ from the populist/Brexiters/Trumpians. I'd never vote for or support a candidate that lied and cheated. There's nothing in politics that takes precedence over honesty and integrity.

Need I remind you that labour vowed to respect the results of the referendum, then didn't. A lie, I think. All parties lied, cheated and connived, you can't try to take any moral high ground.


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post Jan 8 2020, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Jan 8 2020, 11:01 AM) *
If you define a lie as a deliberate attempt to mislead and/or not tell the truth up front then I am completely in agreement with you. However, if circumstances change then I think that promised actions or stances should also be allowed to change.

A bit like the remainers telling us that if we left the EU we would all catch super gonorrhoea?


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post Jan 8 2020, 11:18 AM
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B.O.O.K.S. !!!


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post Jan 8 2020, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 8 2020, 11:13 AM) *
Need I remind you that labour vowed to respect the results of the referendum, then didn't. A lie, I think. All parties lied, cheated and connived, you can't try to take any moral high ground.

They stayed consistent in that they would only support a version that met their 6 tests. Donít forget our current PM voted against the May deal. If you simplify things youíll always get the answer you want, but the truth is more nuanced.
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post Jan 8 2020, 11:25 AM
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B.O.O.K.S. !!!

I wasnít the one who randomly brought politics into it.
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post Jan 8 2020, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Jan 8 2020, 11:01 AM) *
If you define a lie as a deliberate attempt to mislead and/or not tell the truth up front then I am completely in agreement with you. However, if circumstances change then I think that promised actions or stances should also be allowed to change.

Agreed.
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post Jan 8 2020, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 8 2020, 11:24 AM) *
They stayed consistent in that they would only support a version that met their 6 tests. Donít forget our current PM voted against the May deal. If you simplify things youíll always get the answer you want, but the truth is more nuanced.

Page 24 of Labour's 2017 general election manifesto, which helped the party gain 21 seats and increase its vote share by 10%, again pledged to "accept the referendum result".

The 'six tests' came later and had nothing to do with the referendum, only with the 'deal', an issue which was not under consideration in the referendum and was an attempt by labour to defeat the government.

However, take your childish attempt to derail this thread somewhere else, please.
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post Jan 8 2020, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 8 2020, 07:18 AM) *
Choosing just three authors is tricky. One and two are easy but three could be one of dozens.

John Irving. The quirky stories, the common themes, the ease of reading. I find his books absorbing.

Ian Rankin. Great yarns and humour. Love the characters. I met Ian Rankin at the Marlborough festival. Very nice man.

C J Sansom. The Shardlake novels. Itís like being there! Great plots too.

Just bought Dissolution on Kindle to try, fascinated by this historical period, currently ploughing through George Cavendish's biography of Wolsly.


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post Jan 8 2020, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jan 8 2020, 12:03 PM) *
Just bought Dissolution on Kindle to try, fascinated by this historical period, currently ploughing through George Cavendish's biography of Wolsly.

You'll enjoy it. Coincidentally off to Tintern on Sunday for a walk along the Wye Valley. I'm guessing you've read the Wolfe Hall books. I saw that number 3 is due anytime soon.
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post Jan 8 2020, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 8 2020, 01:12 PM) *
You'll enjoy it. Coincidentally off to Tintern on Sunday for a walk along the Wye Valley. I'm guessing you've read the Wolfe Hall books. I saw that number 3 is due anytime soon.

I'm sure most people are aware but just in case Wolf / Wolfe / Wulfe hall (or rather the site of) is just down the road adjacent to Burbage? On a similar historical note that Hamstead Park was the childhood home of William Marshall, Marshall of all England and the Great House that stood there was visited by Henry VIII.
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post Jan 8 2020, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 8 2020, 01:52 PM) *
I'm sure most people are aware but just in case Wolf / Wolfe / Wulfe hall (or rather the site of) is just down the road adjacent to Burbage? On a similar historical note that Hamstead Park was the childhood home of William Marshall, Marshall of all England and the Great House that stood there was visited by Henry VIII.

Indeed, I'm excited about the third in the Mantel trilogy I must say, first two were astounding.


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post Jan 8 2020, 06:40 PM
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Just wondering what people are reading currently and your thoughts? I always have an audiobook on the go that I listen to running, driving and in bed. Currently Iím listening to Murder at the Vicarage by Agatha Christie and Iím reading on a recommendation Kolmsky Heights as recommended by a friend. Iím struggling with it to be honest. Iím about 1/3 through. I have a feeling that my head might just be a bit too busy with things and thatís why as Iíve struggled a little with the last couple of books.

Incidentally, one of the authors I missed out was John Updike. The Rabbit books were absolute classics ofcourse. I used to collect first editions and rare modern books and at one time had a signed Franklin Library edition of Witches if Eastwick.
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post Jan 8 2020, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jan 8 2020, 06:40 PM) *
Just wondering what people are reading currently and your thoughts? I always have an audiobook on the go that I listen to running, driving and in bed. Currently Iím listening to Murder at the Vicarage by Agatha Christie and Iím reading on a recommendation Kolmsky Heights as recommended by a friend. Iím struggling with it to be honest. Iím about 1/3 through. I have a feeling that my head might just be a bit too busy with things and thatís why as Iíve struggled a little with the last couple of books.

Incidentally, one of the authors I missed out was John Updike. The Rabbit books were absolute classics ofcourse. I used to collect first editions and rare modern books and at one time had a signed Franklin Library edition of Witches if Eastwick.

I'm juggling Dissolution with George Cavendish's work. Someone who's work I adore is Marcel Pagnol, he writes about life in Provence before it was discovered, works of charming rural life riven through with drama and tragi comedy.
From a review of Jean de Florette,
"Playwright, filmmaker and novelist Pagnol (1895-1974) affectionately celebrated his native Provence along with the shrewdness and comic foibles of the folk. Jean Cadoret is a hunchback of charm and intelligence who comes from town to settle on his inherited estate where he plans to farm scientifically. His wife Aimee, a former small-time opera singer, and adoring little daughter Manon work by his side. But the jealous Soubeyransthe local patriarch Cesar and his nephew, the clownish Ugolincraftily plug up a spring on Jean's farm and wait for him to fail. When a cruel summer drought drives Jean to despair and eventually death, the Soubeyrans buy his land cheaply and divert the water for their own lucrative carnation farm. In the sequel, Manon appears as a picturesque goat-girl/dryad, scampering over the rocks in cast-off opera gear and playing her pipes. She avenges her parents and falls in love. The end brings astonishing revelations. Pagnol depicts his villagers as post-Roman pagans whose ""natural brutality'' shows through their Christian veneer. As in the author's earlier naturalist novels, the landscape and the willful spring are forces molding human fates. Those who offend nature, here lushly described, pay a penalty."

I have most of his published work, much of it in French although it's almost impossible to read as being Provencal himself he writes in that dialect. But the translated stuff is fascinating. We actually went on a semi pilgrimage to the village where much of his work is set and where he himself is buried.


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